Trump's new claims would have been nothing short of apologizing Hitler's invasion that started WWII

[myata]

"Tough" off the lying tongue means something different in the reality: cowering to them and being ready to hand them all they're asking for. Trust your eyes and your brain. Sanity exists for a reason.

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, myata said:

"Tough" off the lying tongue means something different in the reality: cowering to them and being ready to hand them all they're asking for. Trust your eyes and your brain. Sanity exists for a reason.

But you're constantly cowering. No you can't even name who you're talking to because you're so afraid

[User]

4 hours ago, myata said:

In 2017, after a heinous chemical attack by Syrian government led by war criminal thug Assad, a close associate of another war criminal thug - could it be a mere coincidence? - the ostensibly "tough" president ordered a strike on the Syrian airfield from which criminal attacks on civilian population were launched.

That is more than Obama ever did. Syria had engaged in chemical warfare several times throughout Obama's administration. Remember, Obama was widely mocked for his whole "red line" threat. 

4 hours ago, myata said:

Guess it. 59 Tomahawks wasted on an empty area, but with an appearance of great "toughness".

It was not an empty area. Aircraft were destroyed, fueling capabilities were destroyed. 

Putin was informed as were other world leaders, Russian and American forces were in the area and we had an agreement with them to inform each other of military actions so as to avoid some kind of accidental mishap. 

Trying to play this off as some kind of nefarious action is just absurd. 

 

[myata]

35 minutes ago, User said:

is just absurd.

Absurd is shutting off your brain to not see and understand obvious reality. How smart or forget it, plain sane is to ignore it?

We have thug A who is a close ally of thug B. Who of them is a bigger and worse one, we should already know, by now. You want to show something to B but you warn A awhile ahead. What do you think was going to happen? Something destroyed?

OK, back then at that time it could pass for plausible, 'agreements', etc. But now, we have seen and know more, way more:

"Genius". "Savvy". "Very good relationship with warranted war criminal". It's still the same individual so what's in for him? What is it here what folks like you fail to see here? It's in plain text and sight right before your eyes. But that still needs a working brain, right.

[User]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Absurd is shutting off your brain to not see and understand obvious reality. How smart or forget it, plain sane is to ignore it?

What reality am I ignoring here? Be specific. If you can. 

1 minute ago, myata said:

We have thug A who is a close ally of thug B. Who of them is a bigger and worse one, we should already know, by now. You want to show something to B but you warn A awhile ahead. What do you think was going to happen? Something destroyed?

Who are these thugs you are talking about? Be specific.

2 minutes ago, myata said:

"Genius". "Savvy". "Very good relationship with warranted war criminal". It's still the same individual so what's in for him? What is it here what folks like you fail to see here? It's in plain text and sight right before your eyes. But that still needs a working brain, right.

You are the one who has to talk in these vague nonsensical sentences. If there is someone around without a working brain, it sure isn't me. 

I give you facts, you run away from them. 

[myata]

14 hours ago, User said:

I give you facts, you run away from them.

No, you want to not see the facts plain and obvious even when they are glaring at you. A mental game. Why? That's simple: because they wouldn't be compatible with your fixed mental patterns and fetishes.

"Tough" on Vlad, the international thug want to make yourself believe? And calling him "a genius", "savvy" and a very good buddy, at the same time? Both can't be true at the same time and your brain, it knows it: no just can't be true. The brain, it either works or it doesn't. And you've got to choose one. Plays won't and don't solve this kind of conundrums. Good luck.

[User]

58 minutes ago, myata said:

"Tough" on Vlad, the international thug want to make yourself believe? And calling him "a genius", "savvy" and a very good buddy, at the same time? Both can't be true at the same time and your brain, it knows it: no just can't be true. The brain, it either works or it doesn't. And you've got to choose one. Plays won't and don't solve this kind of conundrums. Good luck.

This is a very simple concept, you can both respect someone for what they are capable of while also dealing with them as needed. 

I don't have to believe this, it is literally how it is playing out based on the facts you ignore. 

[myata]

20 minutes ago, User said:

you can both respect someone for what they are capable of

Does that wisdom relate to Hitler and his bunch? But that's the direction in which repeating brainless lies will take you. Now you know. Still have a chance to think about it if it suits you. Sanity is a choice, just as the absence of it.

Edited October 17, 2024 by myata

[User]

7 minutes ago, myata said:

Does that wisdom relate to Hitler and his bunch? But that's the direction in which repeating brainless lies will take you. Now you know. Still have a chance to think about it if it suits you. Sanity is a choice, just as the absence of it.

Of course. One can point out the things Hitler did well, what he accomplished, the military savvy they employed throughout the war, while also opposing the evil they were engaged in. 

What lies have I repeated? Be specific. 

You make these vague baseless assertions and then run away. 

[myata]

6 minutes ago, User said:

Of course. One can point out the things Hitler did well, what he accomplished, the military savvy they employed throughout the war, while also opposing the evil they were engaged in. 

And where would be the part about opposing it, be found in this case? Read the OP: he criticized the very fact of standing to the thug, refusing to give in to his demands. In a blatant and dangerous break with the long-standing tradition of unity in America, facing a real threat. That's called "opposing" - in what language? And which universe?

Perhaps with "of course" so obvious, you can find quotes of leaders of the free world addressing Hitler that way, "genius", "savvy", "very good relationship"? Do try it - for yourself mostly, only to see if you're still in the sane reality.

[User]

1 hour ago, myata said:

And where would be the part about opposing it, be found in this case?

I already pointed this out to you here. Trump threatened Putin on any military action against Ukraine. Trump authorized the sale of more advanced weaponry to Ukraine that Obama did not. 

You just keep ignoring these facts. 

 

[myata]

You pointed nothing. Acts, performances have zero value. What matters is the facts: the reality. With Trump and the results of his activities Vlad felt emboldened enough to set ultimatums to the West and NATO. His withdrawals and apparent general weakness of the West nudged the thug to bolder actions. And folks like you want to make themselves believe that shallow theatrics could mean anything to thugs like Vlad or Kim.

Edited October 17, 2024 by myata

[User]

1 hour ago, myata said:

You pointed nothing.

You are the one who constantly harps on logic, reality, etc... and here you are completely living in your own self deluded reality where you completely ignore anything that contradicts what you say... when you actually say something specific enough. 

1 hour ago, myata said:

Acts, performances have zero value. What matters is the facts: the reality.

Yes, the reality is that Putin invaded on Biden's watch, not Trumps. The reality is that Trump gave Ukraine more lethal weaponry. The reality is that Trump threatened Putin (and it worked). The reality is that Trump also walked out of meetings with Putin to protest actions he had done. The reality is that Trump slaughtered a ton of Russian mercenaries in Syria. 

The reality is that Trumps actions do in fact project strength and opposition to Putin. 

All you have is being really upset that Trump said some positive things about Putin. *GASP*

1 hour ago, myata said:

Vlad felt emboldened enough to set ultimatums to the West and NATO.

What ultimatums are you talking about. Be specific. 

1 hour ago, myata said:

His withdrawals and apparent general weakness of the West nudged the thug to bolder actions.

Putin invaded on Bidens watch. Not Trumps. 

1 hour ago, myata said:

And folks like you want to make themselves believe that shallow theatrics could mean anything to thugs like Vlad or Kim.

Apparently, they did. Putin invaded Ukraine on Biden's watch. 

[myata]

2 hours ago, User said:

Yes, the reality is that Putin invaded on Biden's watch,

You are repeating it stubbornly only to ignore the fact that his actions emboldened Putin to behave more aggressively. Focusing on a coincidence, superficial detail ahead of understanding the course of events.

After the election and Jan 6 fallout (that's one), the first half of 2021 was about chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan that Trump engineered single-handedly by hanging Afghan government in the air and pulling the rug from under the coalition efforts. That would be two. Before that was weakening of presence and withdrawal from Syria, Putin's key ally in the Middle East. Three. Theatrics didn't matter. Trump didn't defeat Putin's mercenaries it were the marines and their support led by Gen Mattis who later had to leave. He didn't give Ukraine any more assistance than Obama administration before him, these facts can be found readily. But he threatened to withdraw America's (not his personal but does he know the difference?) support for if his personal requests weren't met. Four.

And at the time the withdrawal was happening in late summer of 2021 Putin already started building up his army around Ukraine. In the fall preparations for the invasion became apparent and in December Putin set his ultimatum to NATO, that included demands to withdraw from Baltic states.

You can fool your brain but not the facts. The liar ran away from every encounter with Vlad and everything else is only hot air lies for the weak of mind. Look at what's real. It's right before your eyes.

 

[User]

10 minutes ago, myata said:

You are repeating it stubbornly only to ignore the fact that his actions emboldened Putin to behave more aggressively. Focusing on a coincidence, superficial detail ahead of understanding the course of events.

What specifically did Trump do to embolden Putin?

Trump literally threatened Putin - Putin didn't invade

Biden gets elected, Putin spends months building up an invasion, Biden does little to stop it... Putin invades. 

12 minutes ago, myata said:

After the election and Jan 6 fallout (that's one)

Yeah, after the election is Biden. 

12 minutes ago, myata said:

Trump engineered single-handedly by hanging Afghan government in the air and pulling the rug from under the coalition efforts.

Biden owned every bit of that mess. Nothing compelled him to withdrawal or do it as he did. Taliban reneged on the deal, Biden chose to ignore that and go ahead with that messy withdrawal as he did. 

13 minutes ago, myata said:

Before that was weakening of presence and withdrawal from Syria, Putin's key ally in the Middle East.

And yet... that happened years before Putin invaded Ukraine. 

15 minutes ago, myata said:

Trump didn't defeat Putin's mercenaries it were the marines and their support led by Gen Mattis who later had to leave.

It was called The Battle of Khasham. Go educate yourself.

20 minutes ago, myata said:

He didn't give Ukraine any more assistance than Obama administration before him, these facts can be found readily.

Outright lie. 

"­­­WASHINGTON, Mar. 1, 2018 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Ukraine of Javelin Missiles and Javelin Command Launch Units (CLUs) for an estimated cost of $47 million.  The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today."

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/ukraine-javelin-missiles-and-command-launch-units

22 minutes ago, myata said:

And at the time the withdrawal was happening in late summer of 2021 Putin already started building up his army around Ukraine.

2021 Biden was President. 

23 minutes ago, myata said:

You can fool your brain but not the facts.

I repudiated every comment you just made. The facts are not on your side. 

[myata]

OK I tried an intelligent conversation but it worked out as usual in these cases, with a load of random trash and complete ignorance of the argument. Not a problem. You're as free to f*ck your brain as you like. The choice was yours.

In the meantime, the lying buffoon continues to assist his buddy the Russia thug by repeating nonsensical lies that someone else but Putin can be responsible for Putin's abhorrent crimes (Bet-David podcast today, compare to OP almost word for word). Putin is not responsible for his invasion; but Biden and Zelensky are. Bizarre, alien logic.

Let's see it for what it its: it's a psycho talking. No less and not a grain less. Psycho cannot be responsible for anything he does - the world around him is.

Only a reminder: this never happened in America before. And we knew everything. Sanity exists for a reason.

[User]

18 hours ago, myata said:

OK I tried an intelligent conversation but it worked out as usual in these cases, with a load of random trash and complete ignorance of the argument. Not a problem. You're as free to f*ck your brain as you like. The choice was yours.

Random trash? I go point by point tearing your pathetic arguments apart. I provide factual information. 

18 hours ago, myata said:

Only a reminder: this never happened in America before. And we knew everything. Sanity exists for a reason.

This happened under Biden's watch. Not Trumps. Trump threatened Putin not to... and he didn't. 

18 hours ago, myata said:

Putin is not responsible for his invasion; but Biden and Zelensky are. Bizarre, alien logic.

Trump has condemned Putin and this war, the point Trump keeps making is that Biden showed weakness. That had Trump still been in office, this invasion never would have happened. 

 

[myata]

What we see here is a typical reaction of a convert of a psychotic cult when faced with the reality. He'll do the utmost, almost the impossible but to admit it.

Fact: war in Ukraine continues since 2014 when Russia occupied then "annexed" large Ukrainian territory. In four years in the office Trump did very little to stop it and restore the international order.

Fact: he contributed, factually and materially, to creating the perception of weakening West. He engineered the precipitous and chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, there was no way to restore confidence in the Afghan state after he signed the withdrawal agreement with the Taliban. As a result by end of 2021 Putin was setting ultimatums to NATO.

Fact: he repeatedly blamed others, not Putin himself, for Putin's criminal aggression in a blatant and brazen violation of American tradition of unity in the face of a threat.

Fact: his closest associates indicated that his touted plan is little more than giving the criminal thug all or almost, what he wants. Inviting him with other thugs to keep coming for more.

There's no denying the facts. And the issue is obvious: that individual has no values or principles. He would make allegiances with anything if it could help him get closer to the power. All of this is in plain sight. Nothing here we couldn't see or know.

[User]

12 minutes ago, myata said:

What we see here is a typical reaction of a convert of a psychotic cult when faced with the reality. He'll do the utmost, almost the impossible but to admit it.

This is a projection on your part. I gave you factual rebuttals to your claims every step of the way. 

13 minutes ago, myata said:

Fact: war in Ukraine continues since 2014 when Russia occupied then "annexed" large Ukrainian territory. In four years in the office Trump did very little to stop it and restore the international order.

Fact: That war started BEFORE trump under Obama. What did Obama do for 2 years?

Fact: Trump authorized more lethal military aide to Ukraine during his administration and he clearly threatened Putin on any further military action... and Putin did not engage in an invasion. 

15 minutes ago, myata said:

Fact: he contributed, factually and materially, to creating the perception of weakening West. He engineered the precipitous and chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, there was no way to restore confidence in the Afghan state after he signed the withdrawal agreement with the Taliban. As a result by end of 2021 Putin was setting ultimatums to NATO.

Fact: Biden executed the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Trump did not plan or execute it. The deal Trump engaged in with the Taliban was broken by the Taliban, Biden didn't care, he pulled out anyway. 

This happened under Biden, was executed by Biden. 

17 minutes ago, myata said:

Fact: he repeatedly blamed others, not Putin himself, for Putin's criminal aggression in a blatant and brazen violation of American tradition of unity in the face of a threat.

Fact: This is AFTER the fact, Trump has clearly condemned Putin for this and rightly blamed Biden for his weakness. No different than you are on here trying to blame Trump. 

18 minutes ago, myata said:

Fact: his closest associates indicated that his touted plan is little more than giving the criminal thug all or almost, what he wants. Inviting him with other thugs to keep coming for more.

Fact: This is still AFTER the fact of a Putin invasion on Biden's watch and speculation about how Trump would bring peace. 

19 minutes ago, myata said:

There's no denying the facts. And the issue is obvious: that individual has no values or principles. He would make allegiances with anything if it could help him get closer to the power. All of this is in plain sight. Nothing here we couldn't see or know.

Well, you clearly keep ignoring the facts that are inconvenient to you. 

[Legato]

On 10/16/2024 at 4:59 PM, myata said:

Absurd is shutting off your brain to not see and understand obvious reality. How smart or forget it, plain sane is to ignore it?

We have thug A who is a close ally of thug B. Who of them is a bigger and worse one, we should already know, by now. You want to show something to B but you warn A awhile ahead. What do you think was going to happen? Something destroyed?

OK, back then at that time it could pass for plausible, 'agreements', etc. But now, we have seen and know more, way more:

"Genius". "Savvy". "Very good relationship with warranted war criminal". It's still the same individual so what's in for him? What is it here what folks like you fail to see here? It's in plain text and sight right before your eyes. But that still needs a working brain, right.

Are you allowed to vote?

[WestCanMan]

On 6/21/2024 at 10:34 AM, myata said:

In the podcast "All In":

"he (Biden) constantly said the wrong things and one of the wrong things he said was that Ukraine would join NATO.” Trump said, “When I heard him talking, I thought: this guy is going to start a war.”

The fact just keeps becoming clearer and clearer: Trump was able to predict something in advance that left🤡rds are still completely clueless about. 

"Awww, geez, NATO are just a swell bunch of guys. It's purely a defensive alliance. It even says right on P1 in all of our propaganda leaflets: "We're swell guys", in large bolded Helvetica font. You can't miss it. NATO's presence in Ukraine should just be A-ok with Russians. International laws forbid them from having their own thoughts about NATO's altruistic nature." 

[User]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump was able to predict something in advance that left🤡rds are still completely clueless about. 

What does any of your phony quote rant have to do with Trump predicting?

 

[myata]

There's nothing new that we haven't heard before:

Hitler wants to rearm? We "predict" that he wouldn't be happy if we objected so let him do what he likes.

He wants some land in another country? We "predict" that giving him it will bring us peace.

Oops he wants more, let's predict that he would start a war so let's give him...

... oops!!!

There's nothing here that we didn't know. Memory, brain and sanity exist for a reason. And there's no ways around it.

[CdnFox]

46 minutes ago, myata said:

There's nothing new that we haven't heard before:

Hitler wants to rearm? We "predict" that he wouldn't be happy if we objected so let him do what he likes.

He wants some land in another country? We "predict" that giving him it will bring us peace.

Oops he wants more, let's predict that he would start a war so let's give him...

... oops!!!

There's nothing here that we didn't know. Memory, brain and sanity exist for a reason. And there's no ways around it.

Spam spam spam spam  

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, User said:

What does any of your phony quote rant have to do with Trump predicting?

Trump was able to predict that Biden's/Ukraine's insistence on getting Ukraine into NATO would lead to war. 

Leftards here still don't understand that, and they say things like "NATO is a non-aggressive pact, so Putin has no reason to fear NATO on his western border." One of them reiterated that BS in the last 2 days. @robosmith iirc.

That "phony quote rant" isn't exaggerated at all. It's honestly how leftards feel. 

Edited October 18, 2024 by WestCanMan