More Anti Religious Bigotry: Garland throws the book at a whistleblower who exposed the mutilation cult

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Not necessarily.

If the guy gave the reports to the press, we're names and personal info redacted?

See...if he gave unredacted info to the press, then he has committed a crime. If he redacted the personal info then he might be inline for disciplinary action by his employer...but nothing else.

Some names were, others were not. And additional protected information was shared. Not sure why you're not getting this. Unauthorized access and sharing of protected personal information is the whole reason for the indictment.

Frankly, he should probably be facing CFAA charges as well.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Not necessarily.

If the guy gave the reports to the press, we're names and personal info redacted?

See...if he gave unredacted info to the press, then he has committed a crime. If he redacted the personal info then he might be inline for disciplinary action by his employer...but nothing else.

IF you knew what you're talking about, you'd quote HIPAA to prove it, but why would you when you're a CANUCK and an IGNORANT ONE to boot.  

[Nationalist]

31 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Some names were, others were not. And additional protected information was shared. Not sure why you're not getting this. Unauthorized access and sharing of protected personal information is the whole reason for the indictment.

Frankly, he should probably be facing CFAA charges as well.

Ok...the hospital administration gave the guy access. So that's on them.

If he gave out personal info, yes that's a crime. But you're rather vague on this count. What "some" names? Doctors or kids?

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

IF you knew what you're talking about, you'd quote HIPAA to prove it, but why would you when you're a CANUCK and an IGNORANT ONE to boot.  

Lol...dude...I build cloud tech for a living. Every year I have to pass a security test for PPI globally. 

The bottom line is, if the guy gave out PPI, he is guilty. If he did not, he is not guilty.

[West]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Not necessarily.

If the guy gave the reports to the press, we're names and personal info redacted?

See...if he gave unredacted info to the press, then he has committed a crime. If he redacted the personal info then he might be inline for disciplinary action by his employer...but nothing else.

But the greater crime which the Democrats have called "legal" is genital mutilation. 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, West said:

But the greater crime which the Democrats have called "legal" is genital mutilation. 

Oh that I agree with. What these Tweenkies are supporting and advocating for is "Frankenstein-ish".

But hey...look who we're talking about...

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, robosmith said:

You're LYING again. Your cite says NOTHING about child mutilation.

So what kind of medical records do you think he released then? 

Do you believe that he released medical records or don't you?

Is anyone accusing him of releasing medical records that have nothing to do with illegal child mutilation? 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Ok...the hospital administration gave the guy access. So that's on them.

If he gave out personal info, yes that's a crime. But you're rather vague on this count. What "some" names? Doctors or kids?

You can't lie and scam your way into a system with nefarious purpose. That's social engineering and it's illegal. But beside the point because he hasn't been charged for that. 

As far as I know, nobody outside of the disgraced doctor, the activist recipient and the legal teams has an inventory of what he shared. But per the indictment, it includes names, dates, treatments and other identifying information that is illegal to access without authorization and illegal to share. He knew it was illegal an unethical. he made a choice. 

[Nationalist]

39 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You can't lie and scam your way into a system with nefarious purpose. That's social engineering and it's illegal. But beside the point because he hasn't been charged for that.

OK...so that's out the window. No crime, just bad security at the hospital.

39 minutes ago, Hodad said:

As far as I know, nobody outside of the disgraced doctor, the activist recipient and the legal teams has an inventory of what he shared. But per the indictment, it includes names, dates, treatments and other identifying information that is illegal to access without authorization and illegal to share. He knew it was illegal an unethical. he made a choice. 

And as I said, if PPI was distributed, that IS a crime.

Are we done with this silliness now?

BTW: What the guy did sounds like it was illegal. We'll see once we know what PPI was distributed. But if you wanna talk "ethics"...that's a different story. I find the mutilation of kids ethically disgusting. In fact...its a crime in Texas. Yet they were still doing it apparently on the low-down. That puts the doctors and the hospital at serious risk of prosecution. This case may well backfire on them.

Edited June 19, 2024 by Nationalist

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

You can't lie and scam your way into a system with nefarious purpose. That's social engineering and it's illegal. But beside the point because he hasn't been charged for that. 

As far as I know, nobody outside of the disgraced doctor, the activist recipient and the legal teams has an inventory of what he shared. But per the indictment, it includes names, dates, treatments and other identifying information that is illegal to access without authorization and illegal to share. He knew it was illegal an unethical. he made a choice. 

Wrong. It was illegal, but it was highly ethical and commendable. He exposed a crime against children. 

By the same token, leftards like to pretend that when Kevin Clinesmith altered evidence and provided it to a FISA court to back up the FBI's previous lies and crimes it was "ok, because he believed that he was doing it for all the right reasons". 

The difference between leftard cultists and conservatives is that:

• leftard cultists believe that keeping a political show trial going provides the moral & ethical justification for illegal activity from the FBI, even in a highly publicized 3-yr investigation that never produced any evidence
• conservatives believe that protecting children from mutilation provides the moral & ethical justification for the illegal retrieval and release of actual evidence which proves that actual crimes were committed against children. 

It seems like Garland is trying to pave the way for this evidence to be sealed away so that crimes against children will go unpunished. This is just more evidence of the fact that dems don't like to see actual criminals brought to justice, but they do support the political persecution of conservatives.

Edited June 19, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Hodad]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

OK...so that's out the window. No crime, just bad security at the hospital.

And as I said, if PPI was distributed, that IS a crime.

Are we done with this silliness now?

BTW: What the guy did sounds like it was illegal. We'll see once we know what PPI was distributed. But if you wanna talk "ethics"...that's a different story. I find the mutilation of kids ethically disgusting. In fact...its a crime in Texas. Yet they were still doing it apparently on the low-down. That puts the doctors and the hospital at serious risk of prosecution. This case may well backfire on them.

Sorry, but all of the interventions the hospital was doing were legal at that time. Neither the doctors not the hospital are in any legal jeopardy. 

And even if Haim "felt" like he was a "whistleblower," there are ethical ways to blow the whistle. Ways that don't involve breaking laws, breaking ethical codes and risking personal identification via the patient and practitioner information he exposed.

AFAIK, he blew the whistle on reversible puberty blockers, not "mutilations."

[Hodad]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Wrong. It was illegal, but it was highly ethical and commendable. He exposed a crime against children. 

By the same token, leftards like to pretend that when Kevin Clinesmith altered evidence and provided it to a FISA court to back up the FBI's previous lies and crimes it was "ok, because he believed that he was doing it for all the right reasons". 

The difference between leftard cultists and conservatives is that:

• leftard cultists believe that keeping a political show trial going provides the moral & ethical justification for illegal activity from the FBI, even in a highly publicized 3-yr investigation that never produced any evidence
• conservatives believe that protecting children from mutilation provides the moral & ethical justification for the illegal retrieval and release of actual evidence which proves that actual crimes were committed against children. 

It seems like Garland is trying to pave the way for this evidence to be sealed away so that crimes against children will go unpunished. This is just more evidence of the fact that dems don't like to see actual criminals brought to justice, but they do support the political persecution of conservatives.

You're full of it. The only "actual criminal" in this case is the disgraced surgeon. There was no "crime against children" aside from his actions.

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

Sorry, but all of the interventions the hospital was doing were legal at that time. Neither the doctors not the hospital are in any legal jeopardy. 

And even if Haim "felt" like he was a "whistleblower," there are ethical ways to blow the whistle. Ways that don't involve breaking laws, breaking ethical codes and risking personal identification via the patient and practitioner information he exposed.

AFAIK, he blew the whistle on reversible puberty blockers, not "mutilations."

AFAIK...The hospital continued to do the procedures well after the Texas government had made the procedure illegal. The procedure appears to be the implanting of hormone devices in children about to hit puberty. Hmmm...

Implanting a device is a surgery. Hormone alteration is genetic mutilation. Doing so after Paxton had declared it illegal is...illegal. it is noted that Haim did redact the kids' names, but not the doctors.

I expect this whole affair is gonna get quite...uncomfortable for all involved including the hospital.

Morally, this practice is repugnant. 

[Hodad]

58 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

AFAIK...The hospital continued to do the procedures well after the Texas government had made the procedure illegal. The procedure appears to be the implanting of hormone devices in children about to hit puberty. Hmmm...

Implanting a device is a surgery. Hormone alteration is genetic mutilation. Doing so after Paxton had declared it illegal is...illegal. it is noted that Haim did redact the kids' names, but not the doctors.

I expect this whole affair is gonna get quite...uncomfortable for all involved including the hospital.

Morally, this practice is repugnant. 

Your timeline is off. Texas outlawed such care in September 2023. Prior to that, it was legal. Haim stole and leaked the medical records in May 2023.

"Genetic mutilation" is a phrase you made up just now and in no way factual or scientific. 

Gender dysphoria, like clinical depression, is something most people won't ever feel. Therefore, most people won't make any effort to understand it--particularly those with low empathy. They don't understand it, so they dismiss the experience. But for the people who experience dysphoria, the effects are profound. The struggle and constant social friction of being misgendered is incredibly painful and alienating. The teasing and bullying pile on top of it. These kids are driven to suicide at insanely high rates. 

Puberty blockers are reversible. They have an immediate effect and dramatic effect on patient wellbeing. It's quite literally life-saving medicine. And if you're worried about the infinitesimally small number of patients who regret receiving gender-affirming care (basically a made up issue) then this reversible treatment at least buys time. 

Your "morals" are whatever they are, but the consequence of this kind of law will be suffering and death for the affected children. This isn't a medical or science driven opposition. It's more culture war bullshit, with the most vulnerable kids in the crosshairs.

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Your timeline is off. Texas outlawed such care in September 2023. Prior to that, it was legal. Haim stole and leaked the medical records in May 2023.

"Genetic mutilation" is a phrase you made up just now and in no way factual or scientific. 

Gender dysphoria, like clinical depression, is something most people won't ever feel. Therefore, most people won't make any effort to understand it--particularly those with low empathy. They don't understand it, so they dismiss the experience. But for the people who experience dysphoria, the effects are profound. The struggle and constant social friction of being misgendered is incredibly painful and alienating. The teasing and bullying pile on top of it. These kids are driven to suicide at insanely high rate.

Puberty blockers are reversible. They have an immediate effect and dramatic effect on patient wellbeing. It's quite literally life-saving medicine. And if you're worried about the infinitesimally small number of patients who regret receiving gender-affirming care (basically a made up issue) then this reversible treatment at least buys time. 

Your "morals" are whatever they are, but the consequence of this kind of law will be suffering and death for the affected children. This isn't a medical or science driven opposition. It's more culture war bullshit, with the most vulnerable kids in the crosshairs.

Fck your demonic "empathy"!

https://www.transgendertrend.com/nhs-no-longer-puberty-blockers-reversible/

England is out of the gender alteration business.

https://www.cbc.ca/kidsnews/post/what-are-puberty-blockers-and-why-is-alberta-banning-them-for-kids-and-teens

And in Alberta.

23 US states have now outlawed this practice for minors.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2023-03-30/what-is-gender-affirming-care-and-which-states-have-restricted-it-in-2023

 

[User]

On 6/19/2024 at 1:21 AM, Hodad said:

He broke the law to hurt people with whom he disagreed. If it wasn't worth the consequence he should have made a different choice. 

This is not a statement of fact. It is a presumption of his motives, which are contrary to his public statements. His stated motivations were to expose the hospital's dishonesty and corruption. 

The Hospital was lying to the public. 

Like anyone who finds themselves in a position of a whistleblower like this, they do in fact take risks that go against policy or laws to expose the truth. That is true. 

The extent the DOJ is going to target him and get him though, the threats they have made to his wife, all point to yet again another instance of politically motivated lawfare, especially with the public statements made by the Federal Prosecutor bringing the case against him. 

 

 

 

[Black Dog]

On 6/20/2024 at 6:48 AM, Nationalist said:

AFAIK...The hospital continued to do the procedures well after the Texas government had made the procedure illegal. The procedure appears to be the implanting of hormone devices in children about to hit puberty. Hmmm...

Implanting a device is a surgery. Hormone alteration is genetic mutilation. Doing so after Paxton had declared it illegal is...illegal. it is noted that Haim did redact the kids' names, but not the doctors.

I expect this whole affair is gonna get quite...uncomfortable for all involved including the hospital.

Morally, this practice is repugnant. 

Stupid.

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Stupid.

Yes. Its a stupid practice as well.

[Black Dog]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Yes. Its a stupid practice as well.

No, you're retarded and don't understand science. "Genetic mutilation," GTFO.

Puberty blockers have been used for decades in children with unusually early puberty and none of you scumbags had an issue with it and there's no evidence that they cause irreversible harm.

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

No, you're retarded and don't understand science. "Genetic mutilation," GTFO.

Puberty blockers have been used for decades in children with unusually early puberty and none of you scumbags had an issue with it and there's no evidence that they cause irreversible harm.

Altering natural genetics is mutilation.

https://ewtn.co.uk/article-puberty-blockers-may-cause-irreversible-harm-to-young-boys-mayo-clinic-study-finds/

[Black Dog]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Altering natural genetics is mutilation.

Puberty blockers don't alter genetics you dumb-dumb.

 

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https://ewtn.co.uk/article-puberty-blockers-may-cause-irreversible-harm-to-young-boys-mayo-clinic-study-finds/

 

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The study, which has not been peer-reviewed yet, looked at testicular samples for 87 patients under the age of 18. The study included 87 children total, with 16 boys who identified as girls and nine of whom took puberty blockers.

Two of the nine who were taking puberty blockers had abnormal features on their testicles that were observable from a physical examination.

 

An infinitesimally small sample of a tiny sample of a small sample.

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Puberty blockers don't alter genetics you dumb-dumb.

 

 

An infinitesimally small sample of a tiny sample of a small sample.

Well then I'd suggest you give them to YOUR kids.

Or Hell...take them yourself. Go ahead.

What a nonce.

Edited June 24, 2024 by Nationalist

[Black Dog]

24 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well then I'd suggest you give them to YOUR kids.

Or Hell...take them yourself. Go ahead.

What a nonce.

This is retarded, but still not nearly as retarded as "Altering natural genetics is mutilation." lol.

[User]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Puberty blockers have been used for decades in children with unusually early puberty and none of you scumbags had an issue with it and there's no evidence that they cause irreversible harm.

Arm amputations have been used for centuries now... that doesn't mean we should start doing them for the cosmetics of it... 

Puberty blockers hinder bone density growth during the time of greatest bone density growth, and the body's ability to catch back up "IF" they are stopped is never going to be the same as if they were not taken to begin with. 

There is also no real longitudinal data on giving out puberty blockers as a purely cosmetic thing like this en masse to children like this either. 

The notion that you can block puberty for a child as if there are zero consequences is an outright lie. 

Nevermind, this is only half of the drugging being done to kids, they are also pushing hormone therapy as well, which is definitely not reversible for those poor kids. 

[Nationalist]

16 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

This is retarded, but still not nearly as retarded as "Altering natural genetics is mutilation." lol.

So no you don't want you or your own children using puberty blockers.

That says it all.

Thanks for playing.