CdnFox Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 8 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: It is clear to me that the gun banners don't have any understanding of firearms. That is why they want to ban them. Of course, no ban really harms those that would break the law. Bans only harm those that follow the law. If it were that simple, then presumably all you would have to do is educate them and things would be fine. But as you can see, despite providing tons of evidence above and having multiple people explain it, they stick with the same old lies. Things that are demonstrably untrue. They don't actually care about guns. They care about power. And they care about any symbol or Icon of the republican or right side of the aisle. For many years, firearms were away that parents taught their children about responsibility, about hunting and the wild world, and about their duty to protect their families and themselves. None of that is acceptable to democrats who are pretty much against all of those things. 3 hours ago, Aristides said: It's not rocket science. A car's primary function is not to kill people. It's an id*otic comparison. Are you saying a gun's "Primary" function is to kill people? Hmmmm.... guess all mine must be defective, i use them all the time and they haven't killed anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legato Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 16 hours ago, Aristides said: An AR15 with a bump stock increases its rate of fire up to 800 rounds per minute. A M16 rate of fire on full auto is 700 - 800 rounds per minute. So yes, it does make it a machine gun. One could suppose you do not know the difference between a magazine (not Hustler) and an ammo belt (not a WWF belt). So no it is a world apart from a machine gun, Did you get bumped by a stock? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatomontes99 Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 16 minutes ago, CdnFox said: If it were that simple, then presumably all you would have to do is educate them and things would be fine. But as you can see, despite providing tons of evidence above and having multiple people explain it, they stick with the same old lies. Things that are demonstrably untrue. They don't actually care about guns. They care about power. And they care about any symbol or Icon of the republican or right side of the aisle. For many years, firearms were away that parents taught their children about responsibility, about hunting and the wild world, and about their duty to protect their families and themselves. None of that is acceptable to democrats who are pretty much against all of those things. Are you saying a gun's "Primary" function is to kill people? Hmmmm.... guess all mine must be defective, i use them all the time and they haven't killed anyone I never said they weren't willfully ignorant. 🤨 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, Legato said: One could suppose you do not know the difference between a magazine (not Hustler) and an ammo belt (not a WWF belt). So no it is a world apart from a machine gun, Did you get bumped by a stock? At least he didnt call it a clip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatomontes99 Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: At least he didnt call it a clip Yep...clip on is the correct term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Legato Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 33 minutes ago, CdnFox said: At least he didnt call it a clip My SKS takes a clip. Can also take a magazine unfortunately pinned for 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, Legato said: One could suppose you do not know the difference between a magazine (not Hustler) and an ammo belt (not a WWF belt). So no it is a world apart from a machine gun, Did you get bumped by a stock? Seems you don't know the definition of a machine gun. You nit pick minutia because you can't admit that a bump stock gives an AR15 the same rate of fire as a fully automatic rifle. Deflect, deflect. Edited June 15 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: It is clear to me that the gun banners don't have any understanding of firearms. That is why they want to ban them. Of course, no ban really harms those that would break the law. Bans only harm those that follow the law. The topic is the banning of bump stocks, not guns. Deflect, deflect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatomontes99 Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 34 minutes ago, Aristides said: The topic is the banning of bump stocks, not guns. Deflect, deflect. If I can get half the loaf of bread today, I'll get the rest tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legato Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Seems you don't know the definition of a machine gun. You nit pick minutia because you can't admit that a bump stock gives an AR15 the same rate of fire as a fully automatic rifle. Deflect, deflect. An auto rifle is not a machine gun. Deflect. Moat auto's can only hold a 30 round magazine. Most ammo belts hold up to 300 rounds. Then there's accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 18 minutes ago, Legato said: An auto rifle is not a machine gun. Deflect. Moat auto's can only hold a 30 round magazine. Most ammo belts hold up to 300 rounds. Then there's accuracy. I agree it is not. The point you can't bring yourself to acknowledge is an AR15 with a bump stock can empty a magazine in about the same time as a M16 in fully auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Seems you don't know the definition of a machine gun. You nit pick minutia because you can't admit that a bump stock gives an AR15 the same rate of fire as a fully automatic rifle. Deflect, deflect. He knows it just fine. You're the one who doesn't get it. A bump stock does not give an AR-15 the same rate of fire as a fully automatic rifle. It's a lie, you know it's a lie, evidence has been provided showing it's a lie, but the truth is not important to you. Being able to virtue signal about dead people is important to you 3 minutes ago, Aristides said: I agree it is not. The point you can't bring yourself to acknowledge is an AR15 with a bump stock can empty a magazine in about the same time as a M16 in fully auto Again, not true. If you are standing absolutely still in a static circumstance under ideal conditions then it can sometimes achieve a similar rate of fire. But the fact of the matter is in 99% of uses it cannot. With just a little bit of practice you can pull the trigger with your finger as fast or faster. A Bump fire is a toy, nothing more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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