Gay Pride Season.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

That said, there are things that parents can do that preclude government programming. This includes things like taking them out of certain education activities,

the question is ; are the children allowed to opt out ?

because, I wasn't actually afraid of gay people in grade school

in fact, I knew that my home room teacher was "gay", but I still liked him as a teacher

but I did not want to get into a detailed exploration of my homeroom teachers sexuality

I knew I liked girls, I had pre teen girlfriends and we were "making out" as we said back then, french kissing

but what my gay homeroom teacher was doing with his boyfriend at night ?

I honestly did not want to know

two dudes kissing, that was repulsive to me

I didn't want to be talking about that sort of thing in school

like if they had told us that it was optional, that we didn't have to participate in "gay class"

I guarantee that me and all the boys and probably most of the girls would have opted out on the spot

like this whole genre of "the children are confused about their sexuality" ?

really ?

since when ?

I don't recall anything forcing us to be heterosexual when I was growing up

we were overwhelmingly heterosexual, there's no way that "20%" of us were going to gay

so I do think the confusion is related to the forced indoctrination program

it's not like this ideology is just "free to be you and me, it's okay to be gay"

this is literally the worship of a gay lifestyle as being sacred unto itself

this presents as a religion and a zealous one therein

Edited June 18, 2024 by Dougie93

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

 I would suggest that it was inappropriate to be indoctrinating me at that age

I felt like this about Remembrance Day but learning isn't supposed to be easy.

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 

1. two dudes kissing, that was repulsive to me

 

2. ... like this whole genre of "the children are confused about their sexuality" ? really ?

3. it's not like this ideology is just "free to be you and me, it's okay to be gay"

this is literally the worship of a gay lifestyle as being sacred unto itself

1. Yeah.  Boys kiss at school now sometimes.

2. Well sure they are but it's not something that needs to be reinforced as an attribute that is alarming or needs care.

3.  Sort of but not.  This strikes me as a fad.  Not healthy either, but it will fade.  It's a kind of purity test for parents, to show off how progressive they are.  Jimmy wants to wear a dress, and his mom will put one on him.  Except he doesn't seem all that comfortable with it   

[Dougie93]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

I felt like this about Remembrance Day but learning isn't supposed to be easy.

i wouldn't force anybody to participate in Remembrance Day

if a grade school kid said that they were not comfortable with the horrors of war, and they wanted to opt out

I'd give them a hall pass for that

 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

  This strikes me as a fad.  Not healthy either, but it will fade.  It's a kind of purity test for parents, to show off how progressive they are.  Jimmy wants to wear a dress, and his mom will put one on him.  Except he doesn't seem all that comfortable with it   

well at the pace that Canada is importing ultra conservative, ultra religious immigrants

particularly Hindu's, Sikh's & Muslims

I expect that the pendulum is going to swing back in the opposite direction

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yeah.  Boys kiss at school now sometimes.

well I wouldn't prohibit nor even discourage that at a public school

I am an Evangelical Christian, but I don't want that imposed on anybody with taxpayer funding

as I say tho, the ideology in question presents as a religion unto itself,  being imposed zealously, by the taxpayers

[Dougie93]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well sure they are but it's not something that needs to be reinforced as an attribute that is alarming or needs care.

I can't say I'm alarmed, I'm not a parent, so it doesn't have any leverage over me

nobody is forcing me to go to the United Church,

but I was driving past the local Mosque the other day, and it was packed to the rafters

there was a traffic jam of cars going into the parking lot

and by the clothing being worn, it was 100% Sharia

I notice that none these Progressive Rainbow religion types are going down there to confront those people

I do think Canada is actually shifting towards the ultra religious right, slowly but surely

but it's not us Christians who are the cause of that

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 

I notice that none these Progressive Rainbow religion types are going down there to confront those people

I do think Canada is actually shifting towards the ultra religious right, slowly but surely

but it's not us Christians who are the cause of that

You have little faith in the power of secular democracy. The Pew research I saw showed that Muslims lose their faith at a higher rate than Evangelical Christians do. 

Again, you seem to have a solid amount of forethought on these issues and I don't have much to add.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You have little faith in the power of secular democracy.

I would suggest that Canada is no longer governed like a secular democracy

the Rainbow ideology presents as being the state religion for all intents & purposes

every single institution, public & private,  is seeking to enforce it rather than promote it

I would further suggest that the Westminster Parliament is not functioning as designed here

Canada is effectively a dictatorship of the Prime Ministers office

then there is the Balkanization of the society into diaspora groups

I don't actually see any signs that these groups are losing their ultra conservative religion

I live out in the countryside

and there are massive Mosques & Temples being built all over the place here

even out  here, well away from Toronto, South Asian culture already dominates

the Post National State is a void

and that void is being filled at a breathtaking pace

I get along just fine with ultra conservative South Asians, being ultra conservative myself

but I do see a trajectory on a collision course none the less

growing up in Toronto, I used to embrace Multiculturalism

but now that we have become the Post National State with no identity

 there is really nothing for these diasporas to integrate with anymore

Edited June 18, 2024 by Dougie93

[impartialobserver]

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I can think of ways in which disabled story time would be fascinating.  Like a stuttering or drooling clown maybe ?

And then people protesting that because they're on Government Pension and they hate the government.

Can we just put a fence around all these people ?  

I was referring as to why we have drag queen story hour and not disabled person story hour. 

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 It's a kind of purity test for parents, to show off how progressive they are. 

well I went to the LCBO and they are asking everybody if they want to contribute to "pride charities"

so this is the government waving the Rainbow flag in my face, taxpayer funded

that makes it a de facto state religion

thus I decided to respond with my own political statement;  "I'm an Evangelical Christian"

but moreover, I don't believe that these are in fact charities

quite sure they are Progressive political organizations seeking to impose their ideological agenda

so that's where I draw the line ; that's the money changers in the Temple

towards which the Nazarene is not actually charitable

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

well I went to the LCBO and they are asking everybody if they want to contribute to "pride charities"

so this is the government waving the Rainbow flag in my face, taxpayer funded

that makes it a de facto state religion

thus I decided to respond with my own political statement;  "I'm an Evangelical Christian"

but moreover, I don't believe that these are in fact charities

quite sure they are Progressive political organizations seeking to impose their ideological agenda

so that's where I draw the line ; that's the money changers in the Temple

to which the Nazarene is not actually charitable

I think you're using the term religion too  Loosely.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think you're using the term religion too  Loosely.

note the caveats "presents as" and "de facto"

I do find Progressives to be faith based zealots, even if it is merely a stand in for the religion they lack

[Black Dog]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

well I went to the LCBO and they are asking everybody if they want to contribute to "pride charities"

so this is the government waving the Rainbow flag in my face, taxpayer funded

that makes it a de facto state religion

thus I decided to respond with my own political statement;  "I'm an Evangelical Christian"

but moreover, I don't believe that these are in fact charities

quite sure they are Progressive political organizations seeking to impose their ideological agenda

so that's where I draw the line ; that's the money changers in the Temple

towards which the Nazarene is not actually charitable

 

The temple here being...the LCBO?

Funny how someone can be up to their ears in religion and not understand the basic lesson of that story.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Black Dog said:

The temple here being...the LCBO?

well, in fairness, the LCBO is an entirely Protestant institution

a product of the Temperance Movement

the LCBO is as Orange as you can get

that being said, in this context I refer to a pluralistic state not imposing any particular faith

also a Protestant invention

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

note the caveats "presents as" and "de facto"

I do find Progressives to be faith based zealots, even if it is merely a stand in for the religion they lack

Their approach to morality is zealous I would agree.  Most would consider themselves open minded but aren't.

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Funny how someone can be up to their ears in religion and not understand the basic lesson of that story.

but since the LCBO is a Christian institution, imposed by zealous Orange Order Protestants

that is exactly why I would get rid of it altogether

I don't want to have the Rainbow ideology imposed on me by a taxpayer funded state agency

but I also don't want to impose my Protestantism on others by way of the LCBO anymore

[Dougie93]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Their approach to morality is zealous I would agree.  Most would consider themselves open minded but aren't.

I do forgive their trespasses ; love thine enemies

I honestly see them to be a danger to themselves ; pride goeth before the fall

[Deluge]

On 6/9/2024 at 6:10 PM, Perspektiv said:

Beat them or join them?

They are the loudest minority. 

Not worth the fight.

It's always worth the fight. We need to get back to the 70's and 80's on this shit. 

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Their approach to morality is zealous I would agree.  Most would consider themselves open minded but aren't.

see the problem is not so much that the Progressives are in essence a cult

the problem is that the cult is now deeply integrated into every institution in Canada, public & private

and I would estimate that this cult is a minority

I would surmise that two thirds of the population not only opposes it,

but actually views it to be degenerate lunacy

but that is in fact inciting two thirds of the population to turn against every institution in Canada

[Black Dog]

19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but since the LCBO is a Christian institution, imposed by zealous Orange Order Protestants

lol wtf no it's not. The religious nuts you speak of did not support any efforts to weaken prohibition.

 

 

[Dougie93]

21 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

lol wtf no it's not. The religious nuts you speak of did not support any efforts to weaken prohibition.

the government having a strictly controlled monopoly on alcohol sales was the compromise

along with other restrictions, such as

alcohol products having to be concealed in bags, outlawing public intoxication

no drinking in pubic, no bars open on Sundays, bars being forced to give last call early

a floor on alcohol prices preventing any significant discounts

hard liquor being specifically made more expensive than soft

these were all Temperance imposed regulations

this was all about placating the Orange Protestants whom ruled Ontario with an iron fist

it's honestly bizarre that this institution still exists over a century later

pornography is free on the internet, cannabis is legal, gay marriage is a given, and so is euthanasia

but you still have to buy your booze from the government in the name of the Orange Order

Edited June 18, 2024 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

I was referring as to why we have drag queen story hour and not disabled person story hour. 

Because the activists supporting this newly “protected class” are militant, moneyed, and great at shaming people and businesses/organizations.

The other day I went to one of the most beautiful beaches in Southern Ontario only to be greeted by a massive pride flag and a sign that said, “You are entering a queer space.”  Firstly, I didn’t know spaces and objects can be queer.  Secondly, what is any group doing claiming beaches or other valued public spaces for their own?

I watched a puzzled Indian family leave the beach that they wanted to enjoy on a sunny day. There were no naked men walking with their dicks flapping in the breeze, just a mostly empty beach with its new dictates.

It reminded me of black drinking fountains in the south or clubs where no Jews or Catholics are allowed.  What bizarre group of radicals is twisting arms at City Hall?  

Edited June 18, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Black Dog]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the government having a strictly controlled monopoly on alcohol sales was the compromise

Yes the compromise was between normal people who wanted booze and Prot freaks who did not. They still had to appease the losers in Orange but if those whackos had their way, booze would have stayed completely illegal.

 

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Because the activists supporting this newly “protected class” are militant, moneyed, and great at shaming people and businesses/organizations.

The other day I went to one of the most beautiful beaches in Southern Ontario only to be greeted by a massive pride flag and a sign that said, “You are entering a queer space.”  Firstly, I didn’t know spaces and objects can be queer.  Secondly, what is any group doing claiming beaches or other valued public spaces for their own?

It reminded me of black drinking fountains in the south or clubs where no Jews or Catholics are allowed.  What bizarre group of radicals is twisting arms at City Hall?  

Oh were you asked to leave?

Edited June 18, 2024 by Black Dog

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Yes the compromise was between normal people who wanted booze and Prot freaks who did not. They still had to appease the losers in Orange but if those whackos had their way, booze would have stayed completely illegal.

 

Oh were you asked to leave?

Look, we get that you’re a gay activist who thinks the world owes you something, but your toxicity isn’t winning any support, except Hardner’s (though I think you’re Hardner).