The citizenship test: now

[myata]

No, not the paper one. Here in the reality. See, democracy it is not only a word that can embrace and explain anything: Iran's "democracy", Putin's, Un's if he was bored enough. Books have been written about what democracy is and is not. But in essence the difference comes to this: free; active; responsible citizens who have the reason and will to build and maintain their democracy. Nothing else, nothing less works and could work. No such miracles.

In the third world democracies many just dont' see it this way. The formal structure is the same, "constitutions", "laws" even "parliaments" but the essence, the soul is absent: the citizens. Seeing your democracy as a lottery; as some sort of a wishing well without any desire or intent to understand and participate in it, totally misses the point. Labels and rituals will do nothing to find the soul where it's just absent or gone. Above all, democracy is the work and responsibility of the free citizens. Nothing less and cannot be any less. This is one and only reason that separates working democracies from the mishaps. The citizens.

There are no miracles in the universe that can somehow turn a third-world society into a functional democracy where its soul and essence is absent: the citizens who think, care and take responsibility. And no miracle will keep it running if and when it's gone.

The citizens determine and define the course and the fate of their democracies. Solemn words, traditions, facades and rituals couldn't add much. 10% of the population that sees their democracy as entertainment; game or lottery, perhaps could not be avoided in a modern society. 30%, a cause for a grave concern. 50%: the doom scenario: "bread and circuses" over the reason and responsibility. Rome.

The real citizen's test that cannot be skipped or avoided: because it's set by the Time itself.

[Deluge]

On 6/2/2024 at 8:34 AM, myata said:

No, not the paper one. Here in the reality. See, democracy it is not only a word that can embrace and explain anything: Iran's "democracy", Putin's, Un's if he was bored enough. Books have been written about what democracy is and is not. But in essence the difference comes to this: free; active; responsible citizens who have the reason and will to build and maintain their democracy. Nothing else, nothing less works and could work. No such miracles.

In the third world democracies many just dont' see it this way. The formal structure is the same, "constitutions", "laws" even "parliaments" but the essence, the soul is absent: the citizens. Seeing your democracy as a lottery; as some sort of a wishing well without any desire or intent to understand and participate in it, totally misses the point. Labels and rituals will do nothing to find the soul where it's just absent or gone. Above all, democracy is the work and responsibility of the free citizens. Nothing less and cannot be any less. This is one and only reason that separates working democracies from the mishaps. The citizens.

There are no miracles in the universe that can somehow turn a third-world society into a functional democracy where its soul and essence is absent: the citizens who think, care and take responsibility. And no miracle will keep it running if and when it's gone.

The citizens determine and define the course and the fate of their democracies. Solemn words, traditions, facades and rituals couldn't add much. 10% of the population that sees their democracy as entertainment; game or lottery, perhaps could not be avoided in a modern society. 30%, a cause for a grave concern. 50%: the doom scenario: "bread and circuses" over the reason and responsibility. Rome.

The real citizen's test that cannot be skipped or avoided: because it's set by the Time itself.

That's why the US is a Constitutional Republic. The constitution was inspired of God and it's what guides us when detractors like myata try to turn the country into mob rule like Portland during COVID. 

No, citizens who EMBRACE the constitution are what we want in this country, and it's worth going to war to preserve it. 

 

[myata]

For now, it's hot words mostly but in the ultimate end, the cave people may resort to violence. They can and they have. And that is also what the citizen's test is about. No mistakes here: it cannot be ignored, offloaded or shrugged away. In the reality no guarantees of the future are given. They can only be earned: one deed at a time.

[Deluge]

51 minutes ago, myata said:

For now, it's hot words mostly but in the ultimate end, the cave people may resort to violence. They can and they have. And that is also what the citizen's test is about. No mistakes here: it cannot be ignored, offloaded or shrugged away. In the reality no guarantees of the future are given. They can only be earned: one deed at a time.

When I think of "cave people", I think of whacked out environmentalists trying not to disturb nature at any level. I wonder if they exist? I mean, they have to, don't they? 

No, you pseudo-intellectuals can keep your seances. I'll stick with the constitution.  

[myata]

How did you read it, out of curiosity? What pictures did you see? Of how many orange clowns?

[WestCanMan]

On 6/2/2024 at 7:34 AM, myata said:

Books have been written about what democracy is and is not.

How many books would describe a country as a democracy when its federal police force runs a 3-yr show trial against an incumbent politician, and commits crimes to get that show trial started and keep it going, only to be covered up by the MSM?

How many books would describe a country as a democracy when its federal police force controls social media disinformation campaigns to influence elections? 

How many books would describe a country as a democracy when the PM slanders a large group of people and the MSM doesn't even say anything about it? 

How many books would describe a country as a democracy after they force millions of people to take a dangerous experimental drug that they don't need or want? 

How many books would describe a country as a democracy when they exclude people from society for refusing to take a dangerous, experimental drug that they don't need? 

 

No one gives a sh1t about your cheaply bought definition of a democracy myata. You wouldn't know authoritarianism if it was forcing minorities into the gas chamber. 

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, myata said:

For now, it's hot words mostly but in the ultimate end, the cave people may resort to violence. They can and they have. And that is also what the citizen's test is about. No mistakes here: it cannot be ignored, offloaded or shrugged away. In the reality no guarantees of the future are given. They can only be earned: one deed at a time.

Cave people? Hmmm...

What do you think would happen if one day you decided to turn on your family dog? What if, you started kicking your trusted pet every time it was in reach? How do you figure the dog would begin to react to you?

Why was Rosie O'Donnell never charged with donation fraud?

Why was Brandon never charged with hoarding classified documents he collected illegally while he was VP?

Why is Hilary-Billary still free?

The list goes on, but I'll assume you have enough intelligence to get the point. A risk, I know but...

The Democrats have shamelessly weaponized the legal system and turned it on any and all opposition. 

If your dog bites you...who's fault is it?

[myata]

Citizens who understand that keeping democracy takes reason and responsibility know that there are matters that are more important that private, individual gain. It if wasn't so, democracy wouldn't have existed, no laws, gangs and shady tycoons running all things: the third world, or any of the dark antiutopias.

So citizens build and construct instruments that work for the common interest: impartial justice; non-partisan independent organizations. And they can, with will, reason and responsibility find and deliver all answers. Congress used to be one of these instruments, hardly much longer being eroded by extreme partisanship over common interest.

Cave people don't get that. For them, common interest simply doesn't exist. No interests other than winning at all and any cost and then: ruling forever because they know that they just cannot lose it would be "stolen" or "war". They just have to be loved and admired or they throw tantrums and anathemas. So don't feed them. There's nothing that can be gained there. Not a grain of reason or responsibility.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Citizens who understand that keeping democracy takes reason and responsibility know that there are matters that are more important that private, individual gain. It if wasn't so, democracy wouldn't have existed, no laws, gangs and shady tycoons running all things: the third world, or any of the dark antiutopias.

So citizens build and construct instruments that work for the common interest: impartial justice; non-partisan independent organizations. And they can, with will, reason and responsibility find and deliver all answers. Congress used to be one of these instruments, hardly much longer being eroded by extreme partisanship over common interest.

Cave people don't get that. For them, common interest simply doesn't exist. No interests other than winning at all and any cost and then: ruling forever because they know that they just cannot lose it would be "stolen" or "war". They just have to be loved and admired or they throw tantrums and anathemas. So don't feed them. There's nothing that can be gained there. Not a grain of reason or responsibility.

ROFLMAO!

You're a chickensh1t. You won't address my post because you know who's kicking the dog and want to paint the dog as rabid, before it bites you in self defense. 

The people know lawfare and they know who's imposing it.

Oh BTW...Trump it still leading in the polls.

 

[Moonbox]

12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You're a chickensh1t. You won't address my post because you know who's kicking the dog and want to paint the dog as rabid, before it bites you in self defense. 

Your questions are dumb.  They're just clownworld delusions. 

John Oliver offered Clarence Thomas a $2M RV for resigning from the Supreme Court.  You should add that to your list of apocalyptic affronts to Democracy. 🤡🤡🤡

 

 

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Your questions are dumb.  They're just clownworld delusions. 

John Oliver offered Clarence Thomas a $2M RV for resigning from the Supreme Court.  You should add that to your list of apocalyptic affronts to Democracy. 🤡🤡🤡

 

 

Did he accept? No.

The Democrats have weaponized the law. That's a fact. We're it not, Garland would simply turn over the video and audio of that interview to congress without question.

But you evidently suffer from a rather concerning lack of intellect. Maybe it's not your fault? Did your mom or dad happen to drop you on your head as an infant?

Edited June 4, 2024 by Nationalist

[myata]

Can one have a trial for alleged offenses in New York in Arizona or Kentucky? How? The buzz crowd not interested. One living brain cell would have sufficed to see it but no. Throw up as much dirt as possible add some more and see what happens. Maybe some would stick. Don't feed it.

[Moonbox]

52 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Did he accept? No.

No, but did anyone accept fat Rosey's offers?  No?  Why are you bringing it up then?  

53 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The Democrats have weaponized the law. That's a fact. We're it not, Garland would simply turn over the video and audio of that interview to congress without question.

You must have forgotten the years Trump spent claiming Hilary was a criminal, that they needed to lock her up, and how he had the DoJ investigating the Clintons right up until he left office. 

The problem with your facts, just like your sources, ain't what you say they are.  🤡

[myata]

Because they say so it has to be a fact. The facts don't matter. This is how it works with the buzz crowd.

[Nationalist]

52 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No, but did anyone accept fat Rosey's offers?  No?  Why are you bringing it up then?  

You must have forgotten the years Trump spent claiming Hilary was a criminal, that they needed to lock her up, and how he had the DoJ investigating the Clintons right up until he left office. 

The problem with your facts, just like your sources, ain't what you say they are.  🤡

https://nypost.com/2018/05/05/rosie-odonnells-campaign-donations-to-dems-went-over-legal-limit/

Very similar to D'Souza yet no charges.

Did Trump have Hilary charged? No. Looks like he should have. Guess he and everyone else knows the rules of the "new normal" and won't make that mistake again.

21 minutes ago, myata said:

Because they say so it has to be a fact. The facts don't matter. This is how it works with the buzz crowd.

Hey mushmouth. Gonna address my post or just be chickensh1t?

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Did Trump have Hilary charged? No. Looks like he should have.

well he won't make that mistake again  

[Moonbox]

12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

https://nypost.com/2018/05/05/rosie-odonnells-campaign-donations-to-dems-went-over-legal-limit/

Very similar to D'Souza yet no charges.

No.  O'Donnell didn't commit a felony.  She donated too much, too many times, but did it openly in her own name and listed her occupation.  This is a routine matter, and an entire page is dedicated on the FEC's website on how to remedy excessive contributions:

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/remedying-excessive-contribution/

D'Souza, on the other hand, used straw donors (mules) to donate in secret.  That's a felony.  

Once again, the upstanding journalists at the NYP and Fox News are spinning tales for low-info donkeys to squawk about.  

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, myata said:

Citizens who understand that keeping democracy takes reason and responsibility know that there are matters that are more important that private, individual gain.

OMG now you're steamrollng the Charter of Rights for a pseudovax, and disregarding the fact that it was well-known that it wasn't preventing the spread of covid when people who didn't even need it were being forced to take it/punished for not taking it. 

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So citizens build and construct instruments that work for the common interest: impartial justice; non-partisan independent organizations.

Citizens didn't "build" impartial justice, oaf. The constitution framed it, and the media was given certain freedoms to protect it. 

Impartial justice was dropped on its head when the FBI committed crimes to start an investigation into the president, and the media turned a blind eye. 

The impartial justice you speak of is gone.

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Cave people don't get that. For them, common interest simply doesn't exist.

Cultists conflate "what they personally want" with "what the gov't can and should force people to do, what laws the police can break and how much of their malfeasance is ok, and what the media should cover/hide".

Just think of how badly you were mislead during the covid saga, and what choices people made based on all that disinformation which the gov't and its MSM toadies spread and social media mandated. 

People who were saying and doing the right things were punished here. Never forget that. 

And stop weaselling in your replies without quoting me directly, you little snake. 

Edited June 4, 2024 by WestCanMan

[myata]

If you answer one question, the buzz will throw ten more. It's not the answers they are seeking: only the buzz, the wider and louder the better.

[Nationalist]

51 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No.  O'Donnell didn't commit a felony.  She donated too much, too many times, but did it openly in her own name and listed her occupation.  This is a routine matter, and an entire page is dedicated on the FEC's website on how to remedy excessive contributions:

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/remedying-excessive-contribution/

D'Souza, on the other hand, used straw donors (mules) to donate in secret.  That's a felony.  

Once again, the upstanding journalists at the NYP and Fox News are spinning tales for low-info donkeys to squawk about.  

Straw doners. His wife and 2 couples who are friends of his and who he paid back the next day. 

THROW THE BOOK AT HIM!

Rosie O'Donnell contributed way over the limits continuously and was excused. Most of the politicians kept the funds.

Meh...Trump did the right thing in pardoning D'Souza and any leniency he showed Hilary was a mistake I doubt he'll make again.

What comes around...goes around.

[Moonbox]

34 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Straw doners. His wife and 2 couples who are friends of his and who he paid back the next day. 

Paying them back was the problem you donkey.  That's what makes them "straw donors".  If he didn't pay them, then they used their own money, which makes them just...donors.  

As for who they were, it was his assistant (employee) and his mistress.  🤡

34 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Rosie O'Donnell contributed way over the limits continuously and was excused. Most of the politicians kept the funds.

Not as far over the limits as D'Souza, and she did it openly, with no attempts to disguise.  The worst you can say about her is that she's stupid.  The hiding of what you're doing is the problem.  That's how they know you're breaking the law on purpose.  🫠

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Paying them back was the problem you donkey.  That's what makes them "straw donors".  If he didn't pay them, then they used their own money, which makes them just...donors.  

As for who they were, it was his assistant (employee) and his mistress.  🤡

Not as far over the limits as D'Souza, and she did it openly, with no attempts to disguise.  The worst you can say about her is that she's stupid.  The hiding of what you're doing is the problem.  That's how they know you're breaking the law on purpose.  🫠

Interesting how a Libbie gets a break and D'Souza doesn't.

Meh...what comes around...goes around.

Edited June 4, 2024 by Nationalist