The FBI was authorized to kill President Trump

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10 hours ago, West said:

This is a judge that tossed it

Hamas has been targeting civilians for many years now

Just saying that Israel needs a post war plan, that’s all. Of course Israel is justified in fighting Hamas, but they need to plan what they’ll do after they win. 

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3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Just saying that Israel needs a post war plan, that’s all. Of course Israel is justified in fighting Hamas, but they need to plan what they’ll do after they win. 

Step 1 is to destroy Hamas. You don't have to plan for what comes after before doing that. You are arguing that before the Firefighters put out the fire, they need to have a plan for rebuilding the home. 
 

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2 hours ago, User said:

Step 1 is to destroy Hamas. You don't have to plan for what comes after before doing that. You are arguing that before the Firefighters put out the fire, they need to have a plan for rebuilding the home. 
 

I get the analogy and it's a fair point, but the difference is that the firefighters won't be the ones having to do the rebuilding, and the building doesn't start the moment that the fire is out. There's time to sit and think.

That's not the case here. At some point there will literally be a moment where they transition from war to aftermath of war. There won't be a lot of time to sit and think. In addition they will be receiving tons of pressure from the international community. If they don't know what they want and what their intentions are, then when people start demanding they do something they may wind up having to agree to something that they don't want at all.

Don't enter a negotiation without knowing what you want to get out of it, and the end of this war is going to be a negotiation for sure. So it is critical that they know what they want and have a plan that they can sell. I just don't think they're going to share that plan until we get there.

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14 hours ago, User said:

Step 1 is to destroy Hamas. You don't have to plan for what comes after before doing that. You are arguing that before the Firefighters put out the fire, they need to have a plan for rebuilding the home. 
 

It’s been very well documented that United States failed to develop or follow a post-war plan in the Iraq War, and the results were utterly disastrous. The people waging the war aren’t the same people who put together a postwar plan. They should be involving other nations and entities right now. 

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7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

It’s been very well documented that United States failed to develop or follow a post-war plan in the Iraq War, and the results were utterly disastrous. The people waging the war aren’t the same people who put together a postwar plan. They should be involving other nations and entities right now. 

Well the people that developed the afterward plan are the same people as those conducting the war. That would be the Israeli government. And it would probably be a massive error to be including anyone else right at the moment.

But if they don't have a plan in place in their minds at least for the transition then they may very well find one imposed upon them by the rest of the world. I agree it's absolutely critical for them to have a plan before it's necessary to present it or enact it. Scribbling something out on the back of a napkin just before a meeting with the rest of the world leaders is bound to fail

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54 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well the people that developed the afterward plan are the same people as those conducting the war. That would be the Israeli government. And it would probably be a massive error to be including anyone else right at the moment.

But if they don't have a plan in place in their minds at least for the transition then they may very well find one imposed upon them by the rest of the world. I agree it's absolutely critical for them to have a plan before it's necessary to present it or enact it. Scribbling something out on the back of a napkin just before a meeting with the rest of the world leaders is bound to fail

So you agree with me. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

So you agree with me. 

Mostly. I don't agree that they should be discussing it with other countries just yet but I do agree that a country and a government who is waging war without having a plan in place for the end of the war is begging for things to go sideways. By the time they need a plan it's far too late to start planning. And having a solid endgame strategy may very well dictate the best way to pursue the conflict while it's still a conflict.

Don't look so surprised 🙂 I agree with you when you make sense

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8 hours ago, Rebound said:

It’s been very well documented that United States failed to develop or follow a post-war plan in the Iraq War, and the results were utterly disastrous. The people waging the war aren’t the same people who put together a postwar plan. They should be involving other nations and entities right now. 

Newsflash: they have been trying to engage other countries. No one wants anything to do with Palestinians. They all know they are terrorists and don't want to be seen helping Israel. None of them are willing to take in refugees in the region either. 

This is a ruse. No one has any magical plan, they are just demanding Israel must have one. Israel has been talking about what a post war Gaza will look like, what they don't have is some A to Z published plan for the US or others to nitpick and tear apart. 

 

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1 hour ago, User said:

Newsflash: they have been trying to engage other countries. No one wants anything to do with Palestinians. They all know they are terrorists and don't want to be seen helping Israel. None of them are willing to take in refugees in the region either. 

This is a ruse. No one has any magical plan, they are just demanding Israel must have one. Israel has been talking about what a post war Gaza will look like, what they don't have is some A to Z published plan for the US or others to nitpick and tear apart. 

 

It really hasn't been any actual discussions per se. There's been a few very general comments like there should be a two-state solution and such. But I think Israel does have a plan, and I suspect that it involves occupation. They're not going to come out and say that right now because it would not be a politically wise thing to do.

But it would be stupid not to have a detailed plan. And say what you like about them, the Israelis are not stupid. Other countries made try to interfere with that plan when they go to enacted but it is critical for them to have a end game plan in mind right now with a fair bit of detail.

I think the other countries are at a little bit of a loss as to what they want to demand in that respect because they're not sure how things are going to end. I don't think they're confident that Israel can actually overcome Hamas entirely or at least not without a price in blood that they are unwilling to support.

We will see. My suspicion is that one way or another this is probably going to be over in the next 3 months. Or at least as far as the heavy fighting goes, and then it's down to mop up and transition. We'll see what the plan is at that time for sure

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7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It really hasn't been any actual discussions per se. There's been a few very general comments like there should be a two-state solution and such. But I think Israel does have a plan, and I suspect that it involves occupation. They're not going to come out and say that right now because it would not be a politically wise thing to do.

But it would be stupid not to have a detailed plan. And say what you like about them, the Israelis are not stupid. Other countries made try to interfere with that plan when they go to enacted but it is critical for them to have a end game plan in mind right now with a fair bit of detail.

I think the other countries are at a little bit of a loss as to what they want to demand in that respect because they're not sure how things are going to end. I don't think they're confident that Israel can actually overcome Hamas entirely or at least not without a price in blood that they are unwilling to support.

We will see. My suspicion is that one way or another this is probably going to be over in the next 3 months. Or at least as far as the heavy fighting goes, and then it's down to mop up and transition. We'll see what the plan is at that time for sure

I think it will be a LOT better for Israel to open up a multinational postwar dialog.  The sooner the better.  

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8 hours ago, User said:

Newsflash: they have been trying to engage other countries. No one wants anything to do with Palestinians. They all know they are terrorists and don't want to be seen helping Israel. None of them are willing to take in refugees in the region either. 

This is a ruse. No one has any magical plan, they are just demanding Israel must have one. Israel has been talking about what a post war Gaza will look like, what they don't have is some A to Z published plan for the US or others to nitpick and tear apart. 

 

Besides Iran, Yemen and maybe Qatar, the Arab nations would prefer for the Palestinians to STFU and live peacefully on the land they’ve got. This has been going on for 75 years and everybody is sick of it.  

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11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I think it will be a LOT better for Israel to open up a multinational postwar dialog.  The sooner the better.  

I doubt it's severely. I don't think the international community is going to particularly like what they have in mind. I suspect they will believe they are better off to present it as a done deal after the fact.