Loblaws Boycott

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

First off - d....

Second that's due to supply management - ......grocery stores would love to be able to sell american butter and eggs etc  - it's not their fault that we can't.

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And if you start taxing the rich - suddenly you have a lot fewer rich around. And then you have a lot more poor.  And you don't get jobs from poor people.

 

No, some will just re-define rich and poor. The rich would be what we once called middle income LOL

I could never understand why some folks are so obsessed by what others have (or earned). Seems jealousy more than reality.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

No, some will just re-define rich and poor. The rich would be what we once called middle income LOL

I could never understand why some folks are so obsessed by what others have (or earned). Seems jealousy more than reality.

It really makes no sense.  It would be different if somehow the rich people only got rich bu removing YOUR ability to do so but the truth is if anything the opposite is true. Rich people can't get rich in a market society without making other people around them rich and others around them wealthy and others around them better off.  EVERYONE benefits, and absolutely anyone at all today has a path to wealth if that's what they want to focus on.

But someone makes more so that's not fair?

[Guest]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But someone makes more so that's not fair?

It actually isn't fair, but life is unfair. Policies isn't how one rights that ship.

You wind up hurting people more, as if my cost of living is punished too high, like anyone making my salary or higher, would simply look at alternative options or move provinces.

If thing became too extreme, even considering leaving the country altogether.

The latter option being my plan with the wife, but that's a 5 year plan. If things got really bad, we would consider setting up another side hustle or business and truly fast tracking it.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

It actually isn't fair, but life is unfair. Policies isn't how one rights that ship.

Politicians are all too often what's causing the ship to list. You might get by in calm seas but when it's rough out you're taking your chances.

When anarchy sets in its the politicians that get jettisoned first.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

It actually isn't fair, but life is unfair. Policies isn't how one rights that ship.

 

I get where you're going and you're not wrong per se.  I think it IS fair that you accumulate the wealth that reflects your value. Which includes your desire to earn money - i certainly could be a lot more wealthy if that's where my focus was.

But i do believe that people should rise as high on the ladder as they want and their skills can take them.

Here's the more 'unfair' part.  Some people are very skilled at some things and others at others. So if there's only a few 'ladders' that have value then a lot of people lose out. If wealth was completely dependent on your ability to play basketball, i would probably suffer  

But - Everybody is good at something. So the secret to having a prosperous and fair society is to create as many different ladders as possible. As many different opportunities as possible for people to rise to the top of whatever they're good at.

So a just society uses a market based economic model to create a huge diversity of industries and businesses and as many different 'ladders' as possible so that whatever your skills set, whatever you're good at, you can rise as high as you can on that particular ladder, whether it's making movies or building houses or treating patients or writing code.

Excess gov't regulation interferes with that, it doesn't foster it.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Excess gov't regulation interferes with that, it doesn't foster it.

The biggest hurdle is also the tallest ladder.

Excess government favouritism.

[herbie]

Went out of town to shop yesterday and the Independent (Loblaws) had noticeably fewer cars in the lot. The local CoOp store was noticeably busier and clever enough to hold a massive sale timed right during this controversy.

Something the local mega store didn't try or even think of doing. $34.xx/kg steaks vs their $68.xx/kg steaks.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

The biggest hurdle is also the tallest ladder.

 

No, the biggest hurdle is the tallest hurdle. Ladders are what you use to get over obstacles and climb to the top

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Excess government favouritism.

Hogwash. Government favoritism isn't even a factor. But if it's a concern for you then you should be a conservative, if you were laws means less opportunity for favoritism to play a role as far as governments go.

 

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Hogwash. Government favoritism isn't even a factor.

Go tell it to your buddies at AtkinsRéalis

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But if it's a concern for you then you should be a conservative, if you were laws means less opportunity for favoritism to play a role as far as governments go.

I'm way more conservative than you...I'm almost as conservative as Micheal.

You're all over the map yet nowhere at all really.

 

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Go tell it to your buddies at AtkinsRéalis

 

why? I'm not doing your lying for you.  Do i LOOK like Jagmeet?  (Zinggg! )

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I'm way more conservative than you...I'm almost as conservative as Micheal.

That's "pre-servative".  As in you sound pickled.

 

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You're all over the map yet nowhere at all really.

Hardly.  it's just so easy to lose you when you're trying to follow along  

[cougar]

On 4/29/2024 at 4:54 AM, Perspektiv said:

 

Your thoughts?

I can start boycotting all of the grocery oligopolies when I have my own garden and fill up my freezer with fish; maybe become a hunter too.

The reality is they are offering us terrible products at equally terrible prices - all of them, including Wal-Mart

 

Edited May 10, 2024 by cougar

[Guest]

On 5/6/2024 at 12:18 PM, CdnFox said:

I think it IS fair that you accumulate the wealth that reflects your value.

I know so many drug addicted useless rich kids, who did nothing but inherit daddy's money.

Slacker business owners, who could snap a finger, and get cash, or vehicles. Nepotism rampant businesses, with utterly incompetent upper management, while "lowly" employees basically keep things together.

I have seen highly intelligent visionary immigrants, who have to start from the bottom, when far more qualified for certain positions.

There is almost an accepting of this.

There is nothing fair to this. Its just the way it is.

Difference is some demographics do better, due to a strong sense of community, higher education (and cultural pressure to be educated), entrepreneurial spirit and acumen, and a reality back home, that feeling sorry for yourself won't put food on your table.

Those that don't have this, truly expose the disparity.

But to say it translates to success, would be a lie. 

On 5/6/2024 at 12:18 PM, CdnFox said:

But i do believe that people should rise as high on the ladder as they want and their skills can take them.

Thats not how things work.

My wife is an entrepreneur. She has bachelors degrees upon bachelor's degrees. Above average IQ.

Her being in Canada, has all those skills mean nothing. Her education equivalent here, is barely high school.

People saw her in interviews, and low balled her heavily on salary. Saw her as inferior.

Her English is very advanced, and points to her high education. She also speaks 5 languages.

Owns properties and businesses. Has a higher net worth than me.

Her skills humiliate many so called medical specialists here.

Unless she was willing to jump through massive (and incredibly costly) hoops, was destined to never work in her field of expertise.

Her, like many fellow Filipinos, were forced to work 2-3 jobs, to make the same cash I get (if not less), working one. Needing higher education they they had no cash for, nor time, falling into that catch 22 many immigrants find themselves facing.

The opportunity isn't close to being the same. 

You can be willing to kick down doors, but knowing which ones to kick, is far more valuable.

Its also sooooo much easier to just open doors that are ajar, or already opened for you.

On 5/7/2024 at 1:10 AM, eyeball said:

I'm almost as conservative as Micheal.

Isn't that like saying "am as feminine as Caitlyn Jenner?"

She looks like she could break a d*ck in half by clenching her back p***y.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

 

Thats not how things work.

My wife is an entrepreneur. She has bachelors degrees upon bachelor's degrees. Above average IQ.

Her being in Canada, has all those skills mean nothing. Her education equivalent here, is barely high school.

People saw her in interviews, and low balled her heavily on salary. Saw her as inferior.

Her English is very advanced, and points to her high education. She also speaks 5 languages.

Owns properties and businesses. Has a higher net worth than me.

Her skills humiliate many so called medical specialists here.

Unless she was willing to jump through massive (and incredibly costly) hoops, was destined to never work in her field of expertise.

You're kind of proving my point. 
 

it really IS the way it works. Things DON"T work when we move away from that, as in the case of your wife who was denied the chance to climb in her field. 

AND YET - she succeeded by climbing a different ladder.  Financially successful, owns a very successful business and money generating assets. 

So if you're holding her up as an example of someone who was denied the chance to climb a ladder as high as she could, then i think you failed    sounds like that's exactly what she did. 

And that was my point - the more 'ladders' we create, the more opportunity out there, the more people will find one where they can be successful even if one they like is closed to them for some reason.  Which she did. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

So if you're holding her up as an example of someone who was denied the chance to climb a ladder as high as she could

I probably used a poor example, as she's scrappier than me. You can slam a door in her face, she is the type to just take it off the hinges, and weld the locks, for others to come in after her. Figuratively speaking, of course o_O

She's ascended in male dominated environments not feeling the "woe is me" symptoms. She knew she belonged, and was willing to "dance with their music" as she puts it, until she was given respect. Some men would disrespect her, seeing her as a pretty skirt, and then she would take that respect by force, earning her her "governor" nickname.

So your point is valid. Opportunity is there for anyone who has the intestinal fortitude to take it. It isn't given.

But some have a shorter end of the stick. 

Where I agree with you, is in it not being an excuse for failure.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

I probably used a poor example, as she's scrappier than me. You can slam a door in her face, she is the type to just take it off the hinges, and weld the locks, for others to come in after her. Figuratively speaking, of course o_O

 

LOL of course   But i get the idea. 

 

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She's ascended in male dominated environments not feeling the "woe is me" symptoms. She knew she belonged, and was willing to "dance with their music" as she puts it, until she was given respect. Some men would disrespect her, seeing her as a pretty skirt, and then she would take that respect by force, earning her her "governor" nickname.

Ok - well you obviously love her and respect her a lot and she sounds amazing which is great but this really isn't a thread about her.  I could name half a dozen women i could say that about. women are learning how to effectively assert themselves in this world and good or bad most of my bosses over the years have been women. Point is - people should have a ladder  they can climb if that's what they want to do. And our job is to make sure there's as many different kinds of ladders so everyone can find one to suit.  But how high they climb is up to their skills and drive 

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So your point is valid. Opportunity is there for anyone who has the intestinal fortitude to take it. It isn't given.

But some have a shorter end of the stick. 

Do they. I doubt they do.  MOST people have at least some very serious challenges to overcome. Whether they overcome it will vary depending on drive, ambition and skills .

As a society we should be creating a fertile ground for the growth of as many profitable ladders as possible AND provide affordable access to the training necessary. 

But that's it. Playing the 'i've got it harder than you do' game is stupid. Someone who's autisic has it easier than your wife? Someone who'd NOT terribly intelligent? Even being ugly or fat can be an amazing challenge  when it comes to getting ahead. etc etc. 

Fact is not everyone is going to have the skills or drive to overcome their challenges and be millionaires but as long as they have a path that lets them earn what their worth then great.  

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Where I agree with you, is in it not being an excuse for failure.

Well there you go   

[herbie]

So the unnoticed by Ottawa SaveOn Foods had another one. Sausage rolls, family pack on sale $24.00 for 8 sausage rolls.
Last 2 weeks ago I bought 8 at Co=Op for $5.

Wodda Deal !!!

They don't carry the $33 doz. hot dog buns anymore. They didn't sell well. Duhhh!

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

So the unnoticed by Ottawa SaveOn Foods

You think it's ottawa's job to monitor every store? How odd.  I think you mistook us for north korea 

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had another one. Sausage rolls, family pack on sale $24.00 for 8 sausage rolls.

  So don't buy them. 

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Last 2 weeks ago I bought 8 at Co=Op for $5.

So you should have bought more then.

You've said you have other options ,you're just too lazy to go there. 

If their prices are too high - go shop elsewhere.  If you are willing to pay the price for the convenience - then don't whine about the price. 

 

[herbie]

Thanks for pointing out again that you have difficulty comprehending what the 4 letters mean on that big red sign at the end of the block.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Thanks for pointing out again that you have difficulty comprehending what the 4 letters mean on that big red sign at the end of the block.

Sure kid   

[Guest]

On 5/10/2024 at 12:31 PM, cougar said:

The reality is they are offering us terrible products at equally terrible prices - all of them, including Wal-Mart

Especially Wal-Mart. I avoid that store, when it comes down to produce.

Sobey's are hit or miss, but you're paying a premium for likelier to be fresh food.

I worked with a farmer who had their own animals and produce.

Their eggs were so delicious. Their eggs. My wife has farm land being managed in the Philippines. 

Eating a fresh banana or apple grown without toxic pesticides just isn't the same when its processed to be sold.

[herbie]

YOu can get farm fresh eggs here for around the same price as grocery stores charge. The people I get them from are 50¢ a dozen cheaper.
Local lamb and pork is less expensive, available and a treat too.

Unfortunately fruit and vegetables don't grow for shit around here. Bought with 70¢ dollars and trucked 1000s of kilometres.

[taxme]

On 4/29/2024 at 9:21 AM, ExFlyer said:

Being purely practical, knowing the cost of just gas in my car and gas for my house and electricity for my home and that has all increased dramatically, I can only see that all those expenses are also applicable to Loblaws and all their subsidiaries.

All the cumulative costs from the growers, producers , truckers, delivery people warehousing folks have all incurred those additional costs.

As always, before this present time, increases are always passed on to the end user.

Pissed off? For sure but, surprised? No. Loblaws is a company and all public companies are in it to make money. They are not food banks or charities.

We shop weekly and see what people are buying and to me, it does not look like people are being frugal at all. 

People have to eat and they are all now being forced to pay the high prices of food costs and other essentials. The high cost of gas prices is the big problem and those gas prices needs to be brought down or eliminated altogether in order to drop food prices and other essentials. It's time for all levels of governments to end all taxes being applied at the gas pumps.

It can be done. One way is to cut government and it's bureaucracy in half which could save the taxpayer's hundreds of billions of dollars every year. Canada has way too much government. I believe that Canada has way more ministerial government departments that they could get rid of. I believe that Canada has four times the ministerial departments to what America has. Canada has truly become a socialist country with way too much government. It is time to start to downsize the government now. Just my opinion. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

People have to eat and they are all now being forced to pay the high prices of food costs and other essentials. The high cost of gas prices is the big problem and those gas prices needs to be brought down or eliminated altogether in order to drop food prices and other essentials. It's time for all levels of governments to end all taxes being applied at the gas pumps.

It can be done. One way is to cut government and it's bureaucracy in half which could save the taxpayer's hundreds of billions of dollars every year. Canada has way too much government. I believe that Canada has way more ministerial government departments that they could get rid of. I believe that Canada has four times the ministerial departments to what America has. Canada has truly become a socialist country with way too much government. It is time to start to downsize the government now. Just my opinion. 

 

Reducing immigration levels will also help with food prices. If you bring in 1 million additional mouths to feed each year, and you're not coordinating with the farmers and producers to make sure there is a similar increase in productivity, then food becomes more scarce and the price goes up. As with virtually everything else in the world.

So you either need to increase your food production and acquisition from other countries to match the increase in population or you need to slow the increase in population to match your food increases.

But like everything else Justin Trudeau doesn't care about the damage he does, he just does what he thinks he's supposed to to make him look good on the international stage to his friends and if people go hungry as a result oh well. "if they can't Afford steak they should just buy salmon instead like i do!"

[Guest]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But like everything else Justin Trudeau doesn't care about the damage he does

These are future votes to him, if you try putting yourself in his mind. He brings too many in, hands out billions of freebies, and vows to make it easier to bring more in.

So many immigrant families have 4 or more people in them. His carbon tax provides them with maximum incentive to vote him back in. Flood the market with these people, and voila.

Sure, cities like Toronto have tons that are homeless, but don't expect the media to put a microscope on that issue. They're just homeless.

My wife is an immigrant, so I have no shame in her being here. However, she's a heavily contributing tax payer.

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, taxme said:

People have to eat and they are all now being forced to pay the high prices of food costs and other essentials. The high cost of gas prices is the big problem and those gas prices needs to be brought down or eliminated altogether in order to drop food prices and other essentials. It's time for all levels of governments to end all taxes being applied at the gas pumps.

It can be done. One way is to cut government and it's bureaucracy in half which could save the taxpayer's hundreds of billions of dollars every year. Canada has way too much government. I believe that Canada has way more ministerial government departments that they could get rid of. I believe that Canada has four times the ministerial departments to what America has. Canada has truly become a socialist country with way too much government. It is time to start to downsize the government now. Just my opinion. 

 

Yup, people have to eat but, so do those that grow the food. It costs them more to produce and ship.

Gas prices are not the only reasons. When minimum wages went up as high as it is, that alone added 10 to 20% extra cost to the products being sold. Guess who pays for that?

Cutting persons in government will also mean cutting services ....to you.

You cannot compare Canada to the US (on a federal level). The US has offloaded much to the States and the States offload to the municipalities. That is why there are so many bonds and financial issues to vote on in local elections.