Pro-Hamas Rallies in Canada

[Black Dog]

22 minutes ago, User said:

An outright lie. Israel goes out of its way to drop leaflets, phone call, drop knockers, all to get civilians out of the area. 

There are exceptions for certain high priority targets, but Hamas operating from civilian infrastructure is on Hamas. They don't just have one random guy living in his apartment... they embed the bulk (if not all) of their military under civilian infrastructure, in it, or right next to it. They fire rockets from schools, they hide in Hospitals. Israel goes out of their way to minimize collateral damage, as evidenced by the bomb to death ratio. 

If they were leveling whole blocks full of people to kill one Hamas fighter, there would be 100 times more dead then there are. 

You need to get with the times dude. This is exactly what they've been doing.

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[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If no one is ignoring Iran then why the need to rub it in your faces?

There has never been a day when you got the opportunity to rub the truth in anyone's face here eyeball.

We're the ones pointing out that groups of muslim countries have tried to eradicate Israel from the map twice, that foreign funding is directed to make bombs and not infrastructure, that Iran and other countries signed the Khartoum resolution that forbids peace/negotiations/recognition of Israel, etc, etc.

Your talking points here are all about the horrors of 1948.

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It's pretty rich listening to you use the word backbone in light of so many years of listening to you people prattle on about appeasement being a trait of the left..

I don't even know what you're talking about now, but no doubt it's stupid.

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It's pretty obvious from your position on Ukraine where the respectability so many dictators in world enjoy is actually rooted.

I think we'd all agree that it takes more backbone to fly in the face of convention than to just go with the flow, eyeball. 

The path of least resistance here is to just say "F-Putin" like a good little boy, as if that's the root of the problem.

When's the last time you ever strayed from the LOPC narrative, little drummer boy?

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Yes, in addition to likely costing the west trillions this effort will likely cost lives too

 Hamas wants people to die, and if it was easy to stop them then it would have already been done by now. 

[I am Groot]

On 5/15/2024 at 2:28 PM, eyeball said:

The program of apartheid Israel has carried out against Palestinians ever since the creation of Israel. 

Arab Israelis have the same rights as Jewish Israelis.

Oh, and Gaza was occupied by Egypt, and the West Bank was annexed by Jordan until 1967.

On 5/15/2024 at 2:28 PM, eyeball said:

Did you know Canada advised Israel on how apartheid should be applied?  We were called upon to help design the program Israel followed given our extensive experience at dispossessing, oppressing and subjugating people while making it appear as if it were benign and beneficial.

Really? Why didn't they just ask the nearby Arab countries that stole the land and possessions of a million Jews and booted them out of their countries? Wouldn't that be a good example? If they wanted to steal all the land, that is.

Oh, and Canadian natives have the same rights (and more) as any Canadian citizen today.

 

[User]

25 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You need to get with the times dude. This is exactly what they've been doing.

The results do not back you up, at all. 

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

To Israel, a civilian apartment block that has a single Hamas member living in it is a military target, the term is utterly meaningless.

Sorry kiddo but that term is absolutely not meaningless.  

If you're a terrorist and you just shot rockets off the top of the roof of that apartment block which is the case with most of these examples then you ARE a legit target. If you were just out shooting at israeli forces and run back and dive into an apartment building and they track you and fire on you - entirely legit. 

It is 100 percent legit to kill the bad guys. IF THE BAD GUYS CHOOSE TO GET CIVVIES BETWEEN THEM SO THEY CAN GET THEM KILLED FOR VIRTUE POINTS - Then that is on the bad guys but it is STILL a legit target. 

That's why every other country doesn't let their soldiers hide out in the civillian population in times of war.  pretty simple. 

Israel targets military targets. If Hamas places those military targets amongst the civilian population the law recognizes that it's okay to Unintentionally kill those civilians in order to strike the military target. Your defense of the use of human shields is disgusting. It is a vile thing for them to do and it's not Israel's fault.

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So where do Hunter's laptop and Steele's dossier fit in.

Hey buddy, it's a huge, complex problem and there are a lot of moving parts.

If you don't understand the way that muslims felt about a colossal ethnic cleaning/slaughter by muslims in 1947, then you can't gauge the sincerity of their genocidal rage over the infinitesimally smaller 'cleansing' against muslims in 1948.  

You understand that this killing is all about emotions, right? 1. People feel a certain way about 1948 so 2. they won't move on so 3. they believe that there have to be refugee camps where entire generations grow up in strife and squalor which 4. creates a ripe breeding ground for terrorists and genocidal a-holes. 

Remove #1 from the equation and this all unravels like cheap yarn. Get it? 

But muslims aren't concerned at all about a colossal ethnic cleaning/slaughter by muslims in 1947, so I don't see where they reserve the right to be so adamant that there needs to be another massive genocide by muslims to avenge less than 500 deaths in 1948.

 

What I'm doing there isn't "bigotry", I'm sad to say that it's just unbiased "death math". By my calculations, the slaughter of 800,000 people is worse than the shooting deaths of 500. Do you agree?  

Do you agree that it's probably just bigotry when people get irate about 1 person of their own faith being murdered and yet they're ok with the murder of 1,400 other people by one of their own? Because that's the ratio. 800,000 is 1,400 times more than 500. 

It's like an airplane crash vs a meteor destroying a city that's large enough to have an international airport.

I just don't accept that the entire muslim world has any right to be upset about 500 murders when they just laugh off 800,000. 

[Black Dog]

22 minutes ago, User said:

The results do not back you up, at all. 

They've destroyed like 60% of all buildings in Gaza and there are thousands of dead likely unaccounted for. You really are a dupe.

[Black Dog]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry kiddo but that term is absolutely not meaningless.  

If you're a terrorist and you just shot rockets off the top of the roof of that apartment block which is the case with most of these examples then you ARE a legit target. If you were just out shooting at israeli forces and run back and dive into an apartment building and they track you and fire on you - entirely legit. 

I'll say it again for the stupid guy: they're not just targeting buildings Hamas is using for combat operations.

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Israel targets military targets. If Hamas places those military targets amongst the civilian population the law recognizes that it's okay to Unintentionally kill those civilians in order to strike the military target. Your defense of the use of human shields is disgusting. It is a vile thing for them to do and it's not Israel's fault.

Again for the stupid guy: a "military target" for Israeli is any building where a Hamas member sleeps or takes a dump.

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[WestCanMan]

35 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

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I'm gonna run through a few of the key points of this article with you:

1. Their first comment: "The Israeli army’s expanded authorization for bombing non-military targets, 

When they say "non-military targets", it sounds like they're saying civilian targets, but they're not. They're attacking actual military targets who don't operate from a military base of any sort. 

Eg., if a Hamas leader just does zoom calls in his underwear from his office, his home remains a "non-military target", but it's also the only place where he can be killed, because it's the only place he goes. So the Israelis blast it. 

2. the loosening of constraints regarding expected civilian casualties

What they specifically mentioned, later in the article, was loosening those constraints to get a senior leadership member. 

•  the Israeli military command knowingly approved the killing of hundreds of Palestinian civilians in an attempt to assassinate a single top Hamas military commander. “The numbers increased from dozens of civilian deaths [permitted] as collateral damage as part of an attack on a senior official in previous operations, to hundreds of civilian deaths as collateral damage,

This isn't really a case of "The Israelis choosing to kill 100's of people", it's a case of a top Hamas commander choosing to shelter behind hundreds of civilian casualties. 

• “When a 3-year-old girl is killed in a home in Gaza, it’s because someone in the army decided it wasn’t a big deal for her to be killed — that it was a price worth paying in order to hit [another] target. We are not Hamas. These are not random rockets. Everything is intentional. We know exactly how much collateral damage there is in every home.”

It's a stretch to say that they know exactly how much collateral damage there is in every home, but I get that they have a really good idea, and that they do allow for civilian casualties, such as a '3 yr old girl'. 

Again, let's differentiate between:

1. a person who makes the conscious decision to take out a terrorist leader even while while being unable to avoid also killing a 3 yr old girl, and
2. a person who gleefully tortures a 3 yr old girl to death in front of her parents, and then sends a video of it back to his proud parents. 

Sometimes in life we have to choose between "the lesser of two evils", and in this case, we clearly know which side is more evil. Rather, we know which side is entirely evil.

[eyeball]

41 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Oh, and Canadian natives have the same rights (and more) as any Canadian citizen today.

Yes it's always hilarious listening to you people sneer about these rights due to an ancient 150 year old claim while jumping up and down about a 4000 year old land claim like it happened yesterday or on Oct 7th or something.

[User]

1 minute ago, Black Dog said:

They've destroyed like 60% of all buildings in Gaza and there are thousands of dead likely unaccounted for. You really are a dupe.

No dupe here, and your petty name-calling doesn't make your ignorance on the subject or lies about it or your defacto support of Hamas any better. 

 

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You understand that this killing is all about emotions, right?

Sure, along with a lot of cold calculating reasoning by the usual suspects.

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I'll say it again for the stupid guy: they're not just targeting buildings Hamas is using for combat operations.

Again for the stupid guy: a "military target" for Israeli is any building where a Hamas member sleeps or takes a dump.

Thanks, stupid, but it's not news to us that the Israelis take those guys out wherever they can find them. 

At this stage of the game, those guys know what's up, and if those guys choose to have loved ones with them, then they know that they are putting those people at risk.

TBH, they know that they are just using those people as 1. meat shields, 2. propaganda 

 

Stop trying to intermingle your false humanitarian concerns with necessary attacks on important terrorist targets. We know that your primary concern isn't the deaths of innocents, it's convincing people that genocide against Israel would be awesome. 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, eyeball said:

Sure, along with a lot of cold calculating reasoning by the usual suspects.

Sure. Call it what you want. 

If you think that killing genocidal Hamas lowlifes is important, or if you love them and you think that they should be protected, I guess it makes a big difference to your "acceptable level of collateral damage" calculations.

Are we in agreement?

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes it's always hilarious listening to you people sneer about these rights due to an ancient 150 year old claim while jumping up and down about a 4000 year old land claim like it happened yesterday or on Oct 7th or something.

There are one or two people making the "4,000 years ago claim", but don't paint us all with brush. Most of us don't care about 2024 BC. 

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I'll say it again for the stupid guy: they're not just targeting buildings Hamas is using for combat operations.

 

I'll say it again for the apperently even stupider guy - if it's got military personnel or military equipment in it - then it's a viable target even if theyr'e not shooting at that moment.

Pretty simple. Again - this is why every other military in the world doesn't keep its weapons and soldiers mixed in with the civvies. They have armouries and magazines and billets. 

If a hamas combatant hides in a house - that house is a perfectly valid target.  Don't hide  in civillian houses. 

Not to mention when the israelis check up later on these buildings they've struck they find crap tonnes of weapons under beds and such. 

100 percent legit targets.  If hamas doesn't want other people blown up with them - then they shouldn't be trying to hide behind the people but that doesn't make hamas less of a military target. 

[Black Dog]

21 minutes ago, User said:

No dupe here, and your petty name-calling doesn't make your ignorance on the subject or lies about it or your defacto support of Hamas any better. 

You're in denial and completely immune to absorbing information that doesn't conform to your preexisting beliefs and calling me a Hamas supporter doesn't change that, crybaby.

[Legato]

24 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I'll say it again for the stupid guy: they're not just targeting buildings Hamas is using for combat operations.

Again for the stupid guy: a "military target" for Israeli is any building where a Hamas member sleeps or takes a dump.

So how would you execute the elimination of the Hamas?

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Black Dog said:

You're in denial and completely immune to absorbing information that doesn't conform to your preexisting beliefs and calling me a Hamas supporter doesn't change that, crybaby.

The pot and kettle exploded. 

1 minute ago, Legato said:

So how would you execute the elimination of the Hamas?

Obviously he would give them several billion dollars, as many guns and rockets as they could carry, maybe a few tanks, their own state without having to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, a couple of dozen captured Israeli women for fun and a stern letter saying that he hopes they've learned their lesson and will be better in the future.

And if that doesn't work, immediate cessation of chocolate rations.

[Black Dog]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'll say it again for the apperently even stupider guy - if it's got military personnel or military equipment in it - then it's a viable target even if theyr'e not shooting at that moment.

Pretty simple. Again - this is why every other military in the world doesn't keep its weapons and soldiers mixed in with the civvies. They have armouries and magazines and billets. 

This just means any Israeli who is a member of the IDF or security forces, whether on active duty or not, is a viable military target, which I bet would include a not insignificant number of the 650 or so fighting aged civilians killed on Oct. 7.

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If a hamas combatant hides in a house - that house is a perfectly valid target.  Don't hide  in civillian houses. 

No it's not you retarded ape, not unless they;'re actively engaged in combat at the time.

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In case of doubt concerning an object that is normally used for civilian purposes—such as a house or other dwelling, a place of worship, or a school—parties to a conflict must assume that the object in question is not being used for military purposes (API, art. 52(3)). In order for the attack to be considered lawful, it must be shown that the object was in fact being used for military purposes at the time of the attack, that its destruction provided a definite military advantage, and that and that the possible incidental civilian destruction remains proportionate to the military advantage obtained by the attack.

[User]

15 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You're in denial and completely immune to absorbing information that doesn't conform to your preexisting beliefs and calling me a Hamas supporter doesn't change that, crybaby.

Calling you one?

Be proud. Why spend all this time hiding what you are doing here. Is it because deep down you really know what Hamas did was wrong, but you want to support them without really thinking about that too much. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Black Dog said:

This just means any Israeli who is a member of the IDF or security forces, whether on active duty or not, is a viable military target,

In a time of war an active duty solider is a military target. An active duty solider is not a 9 to 5 job, you don't get to go home and say 'hi honey, i'm not a solider for the next 12 hours!"  "oh great, how was the war today?"  

Again  this is why nobody else puts their active duty soldiers anywhere near the front lines mixed in with civvies. 

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No it's not you retarded ape, not unless they;'re actively engaged in combat at the time.

 

LOL sure it is and your own quote proves it   And i can always tell you know you lost when you come up with the grade school insults.  

Lets take a look.  

"In order for the attack to be considered lawful, it must be shown that the object was in fact being used for military purposes at the time of the attack"

So  that doesn't say it has to be used for combat purposes. Just 'Military purposes'. 
Storing weapons is a miliary purpose.  Housing combatants is a military purpose. Using it to hide from IDF forces is a military purpose  

So if a terrorist is inside the home, that home is being used for military purposes. And if he's got his weapons there then even more so. The storage of personel and weapons is military. 

 

 

You lilteraly  just proved yourself wrong   well done   

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, User said:

Calling you one?

Be proud. Why spend all this time hiding what you are doing here. Is it because deep down you really know what Hamas did was wrong, but you want to support them without really thinking about that too much. 

Sounds like you're just lashing out because I've shown you up again. Sad.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Sounds like you're just lashing out because I've shown you up again. Sad.

If you're going to project that much you should work for a theatre company  

[Black Dog]

Just now, CdnFox said:

In a time of war an active duty solider is a military target. An active duty solider is not a 9 to 5 job, you don't get to go home and say 'hi honey, i'm not a solider for the next 12 hours!"  "oh great, how was the war today?"  

But we're not talking about "active duty". You have to keep adding these qualifiers to obfuscate the fact that I'm right ans you, as always, are dumber than a donkey's dick.

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So  that doesn't say it has to be used for combat purposes. Just 'Military purposes'. 
Storing weapons is a miliary purpose.  Housing combatants is a military purpose. Using it to hide from IDF forces is a military purpose  

So if a terrorist is inside the home, that home is being used for military purposes. And if he's got his weapons there then even more so. The storage of personel and weapons is military. 

You lilteraly  just proved yourself wrong   well done   

 

Again, this would mean an off-duty reservist, their house and everyone in it would be a viable military target.  I dont think you've thought about what that means for Israel, a country with mandatory military service for all citizens over the age of 18.