Pro-Hamas Rallies in Canada

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I doubt it, I have no idea 

That was surprisingly big of you.

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17 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I have no idea what you're even talking about. Are you on drugs again? 

Fu ck off, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Israel is in the bible and 1st Nations aren't, ergo...

[eyeball]

17 hours ago, Army Guy said:

...you don't understand the issues, you don't understand what it takes to defend your nation from terrorist...

I bet you never put yourself in a Palestinian's shoes either.

So what if it had been you in 1948, you would have just submitted and let yourself be pushed around?

Bullshit.

[Black Dog]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry kid but there is, and your desperation is really showing through  But sure, whatever.   

Active duty simply means they're actively part of the military, not a reservist of veteran.  i'm sorry - i forgot words confuse you a lot. 

It doesn't matter what definition you use, "active duty" is not specified in international law. 

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There's no 'implications'.  If you use a building to house military goods, people, etc or if that home has a strategic value for some reason or meets any of the other criteria then it's a valid target and gets blown up.  

The "Implication" is "don't house your soldiers in civvie homes without evacuating them first. Hamas wants to get as many of their people killed as possible so they do the opposite  

 

 

 

You can invent what ever retarded qualifiers you like, but international law is pretty specific that you bombing a civilian target because a single soldier happens to live there is a no-no as it violates the principles of proportionality and military necessity (have an adult tell you what those terms mean).

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And you're right back to the beginning - israel is only hitting military targets, your side rapes and kills women and children. You're on the wrong side bud. 

Israel does those things routinely. You have the mind of a very dumb cocker spaniel.

 

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Yup, you people are all over the map.

It would be weird if we were all in lock step on every facet of this issue, like a bunch of leftard cultists regurgitating covid drivel or Russian collusion propaganda, right?

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You never seem to take the time to put a cogent consistent argument together,

That's your take on me saying that I don't care about 2024 BC? Really? 

Sorry, why should I care? Why should "Who lived there in 2024 BC" matter more than "Who lives there today, or lived there 40 years ago, or 90 years ago"?

The problem isn't that I have my facts wrong or that they're not germane to this issue, it's that they deflate your weak talking points, which in this case just happens to be another one of your lies.

In case you've forgotten, in the reply that you quoted, I was replying to your false generalization about anti-Hamas people like myself: 

• Yes it's always hilarious listening to you people sneer about these rights due to an ancient 150 year old claim while jumping up and down about a 4000 year old land claim like it happened yesterday or on Oct 7th or something.

That has never been my point, nor that of most others here. It wasn't Groot's point either, and you made your false generalization in a reply to him. 

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you're not working with any set of common facts or history

We're working with all of the most pertinent facts, and trying to explain to you why they matter here.

And what the hell would you know about facts? You still think the jabs are safe and effective. Not even Pfizer, Moderna, or Grand Liar Fauci say that anymore. 

You make a Japanese guy who was stranded on a desert island for 80 years, who thinks that WWII is still on, look like a font of information. 

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and you apparently just nod, wink and like one anothers posts and points simply for the sake of disagreeing.

TBH, if I just went on autopilot and said "liar" after every one of your posts I wouldn't be that far off the mark. 

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

It doesn't matter what definition you use, "active duty" is not specified in international law. 

Quit debating semantics, silly boy. 

Uniformed soldiers have the right to kill lawful and unlawful combatants, they are afforded all the protections and subject to all the penalties of the Geneva conventions, they are legal targets while on a military base, and no military or civilians are legal targets at home.

You feel like terrorists and unlawful combatants should be afforded protections which they don't give anyone else, and it's patently stupid. 

Black Dog: "Palestinians slink around dressed as civilians, then bust into people's homes and heroically burn their babies to death, they majestically rape/murder women, then they parade the naked corpses of their rape victim wh0res around to be spit on by their lovely children, and they launch bombs at civilian populations, but I feel like their homes should be safe spaces. Shouldn't they be safe spaces? What if they have, like, emotional support animals there or something? Geez, have some humanity, people." 

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You can invent what ever retarded qualifiers you like, but international law is pretty specific that you bombing a civilian target because a single soldier happens to live there is a no-no as it violates the principles of proportionality and military necessity (have an adult tell you what those terms mean).

I guess that you don't understand what 'soldier', proportionality and military necessity mean, and that makes perfect sense. For your edification:

1. a terrorist, or non-uniformed and therefor unlawful combatant, is not a 'soldier'. 
2. When Hamas launches 15,000 bombs at Israeli homes, and then a bomb hits a Hamas terrorist in his home, that's proportional enough.
3. Is it a military necessity to destroy the Hamas tunnels and kill Hamas terrorists? I'm pretty sure it is. I know that you want Israelis to just lay down their weapons and let Hamas gather rockets for another attack, and you want Israeli soldiers to go get shot in the back by non-uniformed terrorists, but they don't feel like it today. Maybe ask them tomorrow.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I bet you never put yourself in a Palestinian's shoes either.

So what if it had been you in 1948, you would have just submitted and let yourself be pushed around?

Bullshit.

This is not about how Palestinians feel about what happened to them - that's just a small part of it. Basically a tool.

This is entirely about how Pakistan and the other ultra-bigoted countries feel about a Jewish state, and so this is about using Palestinians as pawns to foment hatred against Israel.

If arabs actually gave a sh1t about Palestinians then there wouldn't by a single "75 yr-old refugee camp". 

 

Would you leave your mom in a refugee camp for 75 years?

Would you leave your daughter in a refugee camp to grow up, and then have children, and leave those grandchildren of yours in a refugee camp until they're adults? Or would you do something about it?

Look at all the luxury hotels being built all around the ME, the mega-yachts and the cars that are plated with gold, but Palestinians have to crawl in filth because the muslims countries have their 3 noes.

The Three Noes of Khartoum: "No decency, no integrity, no humanity." Those are their words to live by.  

 

Decent people don't think like the Iranians do. Decent people don't think like the Pakistanis do. Decent people don't think like the Saudis do. Decent people don't think like the Syrians do. Decent people don't think like the Egyptians do. Decent people don't think like the Iraqs do. 

All of those countries are just ducky about the creation of Pakistan, none of them give a shit about the MILLIONS of Sikhs and Hindus that suffered worse fates than any Palestinian ever did.

All they care about is that there isn't a sovereign Jewish state in the ME. 

They're not really saying "Stop attacking Gaza", they're saying "Look, the Israelis are attacking Gaza. Everyone HATE THEM!".

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6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Decent people don't think like the Iranians do. Decent people don't think like the Pakistanis do. Decent people don't think like the Saudis do. Decent people don't think like the Syrians do. Decent people don't think like the Egyptians do. Decent people don't think like the Iraqs do. 

And there are lots of decent people, notwithstanding you, who don't think like Israelis.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Black Dog said:

It doesn't matter what definition you use, "active duty" is not specified in international law. 

It is. you're just  a little too dumb to get it.  And because you can't debate the argument you're trying and failing to make it about technical terms. 

 

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You can invent what ever retarded qualifiers you like, but international law is pretty specific that you bombing a civilian target because a single soldier happens to live there is a no-no as it violates the principles of proportionality and military necessity (have an adult tell you what those terms mean).

International law totally allowes for it entirely. Which is why israel is being allowed to do it.   It doesn't violate the principle of proportionality at all. 

Carpet bombing a city block because you think there MIGHT be a bad guy in there somewhere would.  But if you've got to drop a bomb to get a bad guy and you don't have a less destructive way to do it at hand then yup - drop the bomb  

Perfectly valid military target 

Sorry little guy.  I know you and your terrorist buddies were really really hoping it was different. It isn't. Boom boom!!  

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

I bet you never put yourself in a Palestinian's shoes either.

So what if it had been you in 1948, you would have just submitted and let yourself be pushed around?

Bullshit.

 

[Army Guy]

I've never been in a terrorist shoes...ever...Canada has been thoughtful enough to issue me my own boots...

A huge portion of the palestinian population took part in those attacks to drive israelis to the sea...and now they cry because of those consequences...Sorry no dice...they have had plenty of opportunities given to them by league of nations/ UN and they have turned them all down..Israel has not been destroyed, and they still occupy what is now known as the state of Israel...They want to push the jews into the sea...they want there total destruction, these are the people you cheer lead for....it's not about a few homesteads,or a few acres of land  it is the entire state of israel....they want... How do you feel about those objectives...  

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

And there are lots of decent people, notwithstanding you, who don't think like Israelis.

1. Stop trying to use big words ffs. "Notwithstanding" makes no sense there. 
2. They may be "decent", but their main character trait is naiveté. Think Neville Chamberlain, but with less brains and smaller balls.
3. I'd never side with the guys whose goal is to slaughter millions of innocent people in service of their religion, not even for a second. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I've never been in a terrorist shoes...ever...Canada has been thoughtful enough to issue me my own boots...

A huge portion of the palestinian population took part in those attacks to drive israelis to the sea...and now they cry because of those consequences...Sorry no dice...they have had plenty of opportunities given to them by league of nations/ UN and they have turned them all down..Israel has not been destroyed, and they still occupy what is now known as the state of Israel...They want to push the jews into the sea...they want there total destruction, these are the people you cheer lead for....it's not about a few homesteads,or a few acres of land  it is the entire state of israel....they want... How do you feel about those objectives...  

I think people don't realize that this attack was part of a long game and a political one as much as a military one. 

In the past, when palestine provoked a war and isreal retaliated the UN gave palestine new powers and recognition.  For example in 2011 palestine was admitted to unesco but not the un itself.  They turned around and attacked Israel and the UN wound up granting them observer status at the UN itself. This is huge because it is one short step away from being declared a country.

And I believe that's what they wanted this time. They wanted to get beat up and play the poor me card and ask to finally become a nation without having to negotiate that with Israel. SNIF!!! Isreal so mean to us - killed all our people that we hid behind and everything - gosh it'd be great if we were our OWN nation! 

Negotiating it with Israel requires them to admit that Israel exists and acknowledge them as a legitimate nation.  If th eUN recognizes them as a nation then they don't have to do that. And then they have huge additional powers including the right to buy military arms, and maintain standing forces. 

I think they just seriously overplayed their hand with the attack and didn't realize how much the world would see them as the bad guys for it. They hadn't in the past when they'd killed civillians 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I've never been in a terrorist shoes...ever..

Palestinians were all terrorists right from the get go in 1948?  There never was such a thing as an innocent Palestinian?

This question about shoes is really throwing you guys for a loop. You just can't do it.

[eyeball]

49 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

They may be "decent", but their main character trait is naiveté. Think Neville Chamberlain, but with less brains and smaller balls.

 That's funny, when you talk about Neville Chamberlain that way the first thing that comes to my mind is Ukraine and you.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Palestinians were all terrorists right from the get go in 1948?  There never was such a thing as an innocent Palestinian?

This question about shoes is really throwing you guys for a loop. You just can't do it.

You are sinking deeper and deeper into your own self-delusion. You're getting to that point where you don't even make sense anymore and start trying to talk to yourself into imaginary victories that just simply don't exist

You want the terrorists of today to be on the right side of history. They are not. It's that simple. Say what you like, dance however you wish but at the end of the day they're still wrong and bad people. Sorry for the inconvenience

[User]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Palestinians were all terrorists right from the get go in 1948?  There never was such a thing as an innocent Palestinian?

This question about shoes is really throwing you guys for a loop. You just can't do it.

I responded to your stupid question several times now, and you are the one who can't engage any further, ignoring me. 

No, Palestinians were not all terrorists... but they chose to go to war against Israel. 

 

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, User said:

No, Palestinians were not all terrorists... but they chose to go to war against Israel. 

Yes, they chose not to submit to their dispossession, displacement and subjugation.

Apparently even if they killed your family in the process you would have bowed your head in submission.

[User]

Just now, eyeball said:

Yes, they chose not to submit to their dispossession, displacement and subjugation.

How is it that Israel dispossessed, displaced, or subjugated them on day one of their statehood?

How?

 

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, User said:

How is it that Israel dispossessed, displaced, or subjugated them on day one of their statehood?

How?

🤣

With hugs and kisses.

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

 That's funny, when you talk about Neville Chamberlain that way the first thing that comes to my mind is Ukraine and you.

The first thing that comes to 'your mind' [sorry, it's not actually yours: you're the epitome of a useful 1d10t] is what the MSM told you. They said that "Putin is Hitler", and you're such a feeble-minded twit that you're powerless to think otherwise.

By now you must surely have noticed that I can predict things that you can't even understand with the benefit of hindsight, like for example how Biden's weakness would screw the whole planet, and look at all the shiny new wars...

The world was pretty shitty when Obama was POTUS - islamic state was growing like a tumour and the US was plagued with riots and racial division - and 2017 to 2019 was a drastic turn in the right direction. It took the largest plandemic of the last 100 years to slow Trump's progress down. 

Now there's nothing but inflation, wars, rising homelessness, drug deaths, urban decay, and a mainstream media that has turned on the populace.

[User]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

With hugs and kisses.

As I figured. You have nothing but baseless assertions. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yes, they chose not to submit to their dispossession, displacement and subjugation.

Apparently even if they killed your family in the process you would have bowed your head in submission.

SO you're claiming that based on what happened almost 100 years ago they  are justified in wanting to kill all jews today. 

Nope. 

About 100 years ago my family was driven from it's home, had it's lands siezed, most of the family were killed. We fled to a new land and we made a new life for ourselves and thrived.  While they were very sad and upset about what  happened, they weren't stupid enough to cling to a war they lost, and they taught their children to live and thrive rather than die in the name of hatred. 

They lost the war.  they already submitted.  That was last century 

Now - they have to decide TODAY if they want to build and prosper, or keep fighting  a war they already lost and die. 

Your mental gymnastics trying to justify their slaughter of over a thousand innocent women and children is pathetic.  They chose WAR - not to 'resist'. They chose to kill and mutilate out of hatred, not resistance.  These are not freedom fighters. These are not the good guys defending their homes.  These are evil people born of hatred who revel in endless bloodshed and have no interest in ever seeing it end. 

You are on the WRONG SIDE bud.  They really are the 'baddies'. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, User said:

As I figured. You have nothing but baseless assertions. 

You seem to be asserting that Palestinians celebrated the creation of Israel and greeted their new neighbours with flowers and donated their homes and farms to them out of the goodness of their hearts.  Do you really think that's what happened?

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You seem to be asserting that Palestinians celebrated the creation of Israel and greeted their new neighbours with flowers and donated their homes and farms to them out of the goodness of their hearts.  Do you really think that's what happened?

Doesn't matter does it.  Whatever happened then, isreal is there now.  So they have to deal with it. 

They dealt with it by starting a war.  Now they're dying. 

That's still  their choice. You keep wanting to say that their attack on israel where they raped and mutilated women and burned children alive was justified or understandable or that sensible people would do that kind of thing. 

THere is no world or logic where that's true. They are evil people who chose hate and violence and using something that happened a century ago as an excuse is pathetic, for them OR you.