Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria

[Shady]

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, "Saddam's Secrets," released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.

"There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands," Mr. Sada said. "I am confident they were taken over."

Mr. Sada's comments come just more than a month after Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."

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Now, obviously this is almost impossible to know for sure, without Syrian cooperation, however, it wouldn't suprise me at all. Also, I expect all of the liberal/Bashar Assad apologists to be out in full force.

[CCGirl]

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, "Saddam's Secrets," released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.

"There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands," Mr. Sada said. "I am confident they were taken over."

Mr. Sada's comments come just more than a month after Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."

Link

Now, obviously this is almost impossible to know for sure, without Syrian cooperation, however, it wouldn't suprise me at all. Also, I expect all of the liberal/Bashar Assad apologists to be out in full force.

The New York Sun? I would think by now that the USA had learned its lesson regarding exiles and truth. The two are not compatible!

[tml12]

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, "Saddam's Secrets," released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.

"There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands," Mr. Sada said. "I am confident they were taken over."

Mr. Sada's comments come just more than a month after Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."

Link

Now, obviously this is almost impossible to know for sure, without Syrian cooperation, however, it wouldn't suprise me at all. Also, I expect all of the liberal/Bashar Assad apologists to be out in full force.

The New York Sun? I would think by now that the USA had learned its lesson regarding exiles and truth. The two are not compatible!

What are you talking about CCGirl?

Care to elaborate???

[YankAbroad]

She's most likely referring to Chalabi.

Although, after the invasion of Syria to find the "missing WMDs," we'll naturally learn that the Syrians sent them by train to Iran, then the Iranians sent them by truck to France, then the French sent them by helicopter to the Democratic Party HQ. . .

[Black Dog]

She's most likely referring to Chalabi.

Don't forget "Curveball".

What's really amazing about these allegations is how Saddam was able to develop WMD without any active WMD programs or facilities. The man was either a diabolical genius of supervillianesque proportions or this story is total B.S. Hmmm....

[August1991]

She's most likely referring to Chalabi.

Although, after the invasion of Syria to find the "missing WMDs," we'll naturally learn that the Syrians sent them by train to Iran, then the Iranians sent them by truck to France, then the French sent them by helicopter to the Democratic Party HQ. . .

On the contrary, this seems to be one guy's story, or version of a story. At this point, the last thing Bush Jnr wants or needs is another reference to WMDs. He's already taken the political hit.

The issue of WMD has become so politicised in the US that nothing would change most people's opinion, and certainly not one man's recollection.

OTOH, the book appears to be a good read - an outsider's inside view of Saddam's regime. Autobiography of this sort is the best way to study political science or history - far better than a university seminar.

[tml12]

She's most likely referring to Chalabi.

Although, after the invasion of Syria to find the "missing WMDs," we'll naturally learn that the Syrians sent them by train to Iran, then the Iranians sent them by truck to France, then the French sent them by helicopter to the Democratic Party HQ. . .

Right on, Yank!!!

[sharkman]

Come on! If Saddam actually got rid of WMDs all under the UN program, then why would he continue to play game after game with the UN during most of the 90s as they tried to inspect plant after 'palace' after factory. That is until he kicked them out outright. If he had nothing to hide he wouldn't have been hiding anything from the UN inspectors. 14 UN resolutions were ignored! Hardly a man with nothing to hide.

It also was widely reported at the time that during Desert Storm Iraq flew many of their best fighter jets to Iran rather than get them shot down by the superior American pilots. The possibility does exist that they sent a stockpile of WMDs elsewhere rather than have them discovered, whether Bush Bashers can see it or not.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear sharkman,

Hardly a man with nothing to hide.

It is a likely scenario that this is exactly true. The he had nothing, and was trying to hide the fact. 'Blustering' (telling the inspectors to vamoose) plays well at home, it shows he's 'tough'. By not revealing that he actually had nothing keeps his enemy guessing.

If you were at the beach, and stuffed a sock down your trunks to impress the ladies, would you welcome a 'close inspection', or even offer a peek to someone that was curious? Hardly.

[Montgomery Burns]

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, "Saddam's Secrets," released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.

"There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands," Mr. Sada said. "I am confident they were taken over."

Mr. Sada's comments come just more than a month after Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."

Link

Now, obviously this is almost impossible to know for sure, without Syrian cooperation, however, it wouldn't suprise me at all. Also, I expect all of the liberal/Bashar Assad apologists to be out in full force.

The New York Sun? I would think by now that the USA had learned its lesson regarding exiles and truth. The two are not compatible!

Well, if it isn't the NY Times (who will, of course, ignore this story--all their reporters are still busy investigating whether Bush missed a physical 35 years ago in the TANG) reporting this, then it just isn't credible!

[geoffrey]

Dear sharkman,

Hardly a man with nothing to hide.

It is a likely scenario that this is exactly true. The he had nothing, and was trying to hide the fact. 'Blustering' (telling the inspectors to vamoose) plays well at home, it shows he's 'tough'. By not revealing that he actually had nothing keeps his enemy guessing.

If you were at the beach, and stuffed a sock down your trunks to impress the ladies, would you welcome a 'close inspection', or even offer a peek to someone that was curious? Hardly.

Good analogy. If someone put a gun to my head and said lets see the goods... thats another story. I think Saddam had some stockpiles left over. It'd be impossible to find if they were even in Iraq. Search Southern Ontario and find 50 specific bottles that could be either in a house, warehouse, anywhere....

No doubt he had WMD's. No doubt this is still not a reason to go to war.

Liberating Iraqi's from a dictator is though.

[Montgomery Burns]

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, "Saddam's Secrets," released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.

"There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands," Mr. Sada said. "I am confident they were taken over."

Mr. Sada's comments come just more than a month after Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."

Link

Now, obviously this is almost impossible to know for sure, without Syrian cooperation, however, it wouldn't suprise me at all. Also, I expect all of the liberal/Bashar Assad apologists to be out in full force.

I don't know if I can believe this. The left has repeatedly insisted that Saddam had no WMD. The US intelligence agencies, the French, the Germans, the Russians, Israelis, Hans Blix and the UN ((UNSCOM and IAEA) were zapped by Karl Rove's Evil Mind Control Gun when they issued a report 2 weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom saying that numerous WMD had not been accounted for.

I'm sure CBS's "Lucy Ramirez" issued that UN report dated March 6, 2003.

It doesn't even make sense! Who in their right mind would think that giving a dictator a years notice that you are going to invade would make said dictator move his WMD to another area?

I know these cops in town that announced to a drug dealer that they were going to raid his house in a year. Surprisingly when they did raid his house a year later, the drugs were gone. That's all the proof I need that this drug dealer didn't ever deal drugs. Never! I ALWAYS take the word of drug dealers over law-abiding fascist cops

Sure, UNSCOM inspector Bill Tierney speculated last November that they had been moved to Syria as well--but I think he is a neocon.

Sure, Democrat Senator Jay Rockefeller’s told Syria back in January of 2002, when he visited, that he believed President Bush had already made up his mind to invade Iraq. But Rockefeller is a Democrat, so he was doing his gosh-darnded best to help the US.

Sure, Israel's top general, Moshe Yaalon, said that Iraq had moved its WMD to Syria, but he is a Joooo, so he does not count--at least that is what my leftie friends tell me.

Plus, this Iraqi General is a Christian. There ya go. He ain't a gay activist, so you can't trust him.

I am anxiously looking forward to this story that the MSM will ignore.

[theloniusfleabag]

Burns,

I am anxiously looking forward to this story that the MSM will ignore.

They will probably find Bat-Boy before they find Iraq's alleged WMD's. (For those conspiracy theorists who think the "mainstream media" is biased away from the profit motive)

[YankAbroad]

While the war supporters' valiant efforts to explain away their Fearless Leader's blatant lies about WMDs are charming, they're not exactly convincing.

There needs to be some accountability for this blatant act of mendacity on their part which has cost tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars.

[GostHacked]

Burns,

I am anxiously looking forward to this story that the MSM will ignore.

They will probably find Bat-Boy before they find Iraq's alleged WMD's. (For those conspiracy theorists who think the "mainstream media" is biased away from the profit motive)

This is about as plausable as Iraq having WMDs in the first place!!

Thanks for the laugh dude

[Shady]

This is about as plausable as Iraq having WMDs in the first place!!

Well, I hate to break it to you, but even Iraq admitted to possessing WMD.

Anyways, I don't understand some people's logic. Apparently it's easier to believe that Bush lied and went to war for Israel, Oil, and Haliburton, and that every decision he makes relates somehow to the "military industrial complex", was really the one behind 9/11, but for some reason, no one can allow their minds to open up a little to imagine that WMD may have been transported to Syria? Hello? Earth calling idiots? Do you hear yourselves? LOL

[GostHacked]

This is about as plausable as Iraq having WMDs in the first place!!

Well, I hate to break it to you, but even Iraq admitted to possessing WMD.

Anyways, I don't understand some people's logic. Apparently it's easier to believe that Bush lied and went to war for Israel, Oil, and Haliburton, and that every decision he makes relates somehow to the "military industrial complex", was really the one behind 9/11, but for some reason, no one can allow their minds to open up a little to imagine that WMD may have been transported to Syria? Hello? Earth calling idiots? Do you hear yourselves? LOL

Just wondering after 10 years of sanctions, two NO FLY zones, US aircraft/spy sats ect had a good view of the area. Do not tell me it slipped under the radar. But we do not see any photographs of suspected sites from the air.

This would just be another attempt by the US to put preasure on Syria. Just like they are doing with Iran.

This is what Bush had to say about it http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/15/wmd-irrelevant/

[Black Dog]

Anyways, I don't understand some people's logic. Apparently it's easier to believe that Bush lied and went to war for Israel, Oil, and Haliburton, and that every decision he makes relates somehow to the "military industrial complex", was really the one behind 9/11, but for some reason, no one can allow their minds to open up a little to imagine that WMD may have been transported to Syria

Because, as the United States has admitted, Iraq did not posess any WMD or the means to produce WMD since the first Gulf War. Which kinda precludes the possibility of moving anything to Syria.

[newbie]

Anyways, I don't understand some people's logic. Apparently it's easier to believe that Bush lied and went to war for Israel, Oil, and Haliburton, and that every decision he makes relates somehow to the "military industrial complex", was really the one behind 9/11, but for some reason, no one can allow their minds to open up a little to imagine that WMD may have been transported to Syria?

I think you've opened your mind to crater size. There were no weapons. Wrap you mind around that.

[Shady]

Because, as the United States has admitted, Iraq did not posess any WMD or the means to produce WMD since the first Gulf War. Which kinda precludes the possibility of moving anything to Syria

That's factually incorrect.

This is just one of many examples:

However, in August 1995 the defection of Hussein Kamal occurred. Immediately, the entire basis upon which the Commission was conducting its assessments and analysis was undermined. It became clear that Iraq's declaration of March 1992 was itself a fraud; everything had NOT been declared to the Commission; everything had not been destroyed.

Examples of the types of prohibited activities the Commission learned about which took place after the March 1992 declaration and the unilateral destruction are:

the covert G-l program, to convert surface-to-surface missiles to a proscribed surface-to-surface role, including secret flight tests and an undeclared facility to support this (1993-1994);

covert efforts to reverse engineer SCUD-type missile-guidance gyroscopes, using personnel and facilities monitored by the Commission. The programme incorporated covert procurement activities undeclared to the Commission, and the use of retained gyroscopes and material of a proscribed nature (1993-1994);

covert ballistic missile research programs, to include systems of ranges vastly exceeding the 150 kilometer limit set by Security Council resolution 687 (up to 1995);

deception efforts designed to keep secret from the Commission proscribed program activity, to include:

Iraq's ability to reverse engineer and produce an indigenous SCUD missile;

Iraq's VX chemical weapons production capability;

the true extent of Iraq's large-scale offensive biological weapons programs;

secret crash weaponization programs in the nuclear field, as well as entire enrichment efforts (such as the centrifuge program).

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Until 1995, Iraq denied having had any serious intention of building nuclear weapons, despite abundant evidence to the contrary uncovered by Action Team investigations. Then, after Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law and head of the Ministry of Industry and Military Industrialization, defected in August 1995, his revelations about the scope and intensity of the nuclear weapons program threatened the credibility of the government's denial.

In response to Kamel's defection, the Iraqi government produced the so-called "chicken farm documents." Several days after Kamel fled to Jordan, senior UNSCOM and Action Team officials were taken to Kamel's farm, where a half-million-page cache of documents was stashed in a shed. The documents shed light on extensive programs to develop and build weapons of mass destruction, particularly nuclear weapons

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By the way. Saddam's son-in-law was convinced to come back to Iraq by Saddam Hussein, who then had him executed. Is there a murderous dictator that liberals don't defend these days? Seriously?

[speaker]

If it wasn't for the level of sarcasm on this thread......

People who want to justify invasion of Iraq, ,, Syria, ,, Iran, ,, Nepal, I probably shouldn't have said Nepal, aren't going to be convinced otherwise. And vice versa. Which makes this an argument for the great undecideds out there, those people who don't have the information they can trust at their fingertips.

Well I'm not undecided. I've no belief that Bush is an evil empire builder, I believe that he's just the pretty face for the conservatives to manipulate public opinion. If someone wants to believe in a puppet, all I have to say is Howdy Doody.

It should be a law that we accept propaganda in inverse order to it's nearness of utterance.

[Black Dog]

That's factually incorrect.

Blah blah blah blah

I'll give the final word to the Dulfer report which is, well, pretty much the final word on Hussein's WMD ambitions.

Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq’s WMD capability—which was essentially destroyed in 1991—after sanctions were removed and Iraq’s economy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that which previously existed. Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability—in an incremental fashion, irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks—but he intended to focus on ballistic missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities.

No active WMD programs or stockpiles were found by the ISG. A transfer of WMD material to Syria is regarded as unlikely and "firm conclusions on actual WMD movements may not be possible."

By the way. Saddam's son-in-law was convinced to come back to Iraq by Saddam Hussein, who then had him executed. Is there a murderous dictator that liberals don't defend these days? Seriously?

Were you repeatedly dropped on your head as a child? Seriously? I'm not surprised that you can't make the distinction between stating the facts and defending a dictator: to you, facts are whatever Bush and the Republican propaganda apparatus tells you they are, reality be damned.

[moderateamericain]

I dont know if Sadam developed Weapons of mass destruction or not, all the official reports say no, but i would love to see some of yalls faces if we did dig up a Nuclear payload LOL!

[Shady]

I dont know if Sadam developed Weapons of mass destruction or not

Um, Iraq has admitted to developing and possessing WMD. Iraq has used WMD. That was never the question.

[Black Dog]

Um, Iraq has admitted to developing and possessing WMD. Iraq has used WMD. That was never the question.

Well, so has the United States. The real issue is whether Iraq continued to possess WMD and whether they were "a threat to the United States". They didn't have any WMD, no active WMD programs, so the answer is no. (Even if they did have WMD, it can be argued they still did not pose a threat to the U.S.)