So-called science has repeatedly erred in making false claims.

[User]

8 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

It's irrelevant, look for yourself. I may be completely wrong but don't take my word either way , go and read what they write and not just websites like answers in geneisis or creation.com

What I'm saying is not at all controversial, mostly because believing in evolution in NO WAY diminishes ones faith 

It is not irrelevant. You brought it up to make a point. 

Now you say, you may be wrong... so, why is it so hard to just admit you don't know, don't have a source, and were just going off of nothing?
 

I did not say anything about believing in evolution vs faith here. 

[SkyHigh]

On 8/20/2024 at 4:20 PM, User said:

did not say anything about believing in evolution vs faith here. 

If you think Genesis is litteral then you are by necessity stating that evolution is false.

You want a source? How about, ALL of science 

[SkyHigh]

On 8/20/2024 at 4:11 PM, blackbird said:

The mechanism is the Bible itself. 

That may be the most ignorant and illogical standard of reason I've ever heard. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[User]

6 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

If you think Genesis is litteral then you are by necessity stating that evolution is false.

You want a source? How about, ALL of science 

If. 

I state again, I made no such comments here. 

[SkyHigh]

2 minutes ago, User said:

If. 

I state again, I made no such comments here. 

Then why continue to pester me for my opinion when you could just go read what scholars say.

Wikipedia will give you all you need, I checked the other day after our conversation, I just wanted to make sure that it was you that was more concerned about being argumentative than actually taking the time to look for yourself. 

And it was 

[User]

1 minute ago, SkyHigh said:

Then why continue to pester me for my opinion when you could just go read what scholars say.

Wikipedia will give you all you need, I checked the other day after our conversation, I just wanted to make sure that it was you that was more concerned about being argumentative than actually taking the time to look for yourself. 

And it was 

You didn't respond to my whole comment last time, I explained myself there:

It is not irrelevant. You brought it up to make a point. 

Now you say, you may be wrong... so, why is it so hard to just admit you don't know, don't have a source, and were just going off of nothing?

[SkyHigh]

1 minute ago, User said:

You didn't respond to my whole comment last time, I explained myself there:

It is not irrelevant. You brought it up to make a point. 

Now you say, you may be wrong... so, why is it so hard to just admit you don't know, don't have a source, and were just going off of nothing?

Because I wasn't, read the literature.

Wasting my time with that is  equivalent to arguing with a flat earther about gravity.

Did you actually look at what experts say.

Of course I can be wrong, that's what the scientific method is based on. new information produces new conclusions.

Now as far as the old testament, it hasn't changed in millenia and the people that can read those languages are almost entirely in agreement on the fact that Genesis (that includes Noah) was written in a metaphorical style.

Not giving you a specific book or author in no way diminishes my assertion, just read.

[User]

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

Because I wasn't, read the literature.

So which is it... you may be wrong, or you know you are not wrong?

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

Wasting my time with that is  equivalent to arguing with a flat earther about gravity.

No, you made an assertion and are unable to defend it. It should be rather easy to point to whatever statistic you have that would lead you to say what you did. 

I ask, because it doesn't pass the smell test. It was an absurdly extreme assertion that I am fairly certain you just made up... and the fact that you have spent days and several posts now obfuscating about it is making me believe that more. 

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

Of course I can be wrong, that's what the scientific method is based on. new information produces new conclusions.

You have not produced any information to back up your assertion you already made. For there to be new information, there has to be old information. Where is your old information?

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

Now as far as the old testament, it hasn't changed in millenia and the people that can read those languages are almost entirely in agreement on the fact that Genesis (that includes Noah) was written in a metaphorical style.

Yes, this is the assertion you made, and can't back up. 

 

[French Patriot]

On 8/20/2024 at 4:15 PM, blackbird said:

The Bible is full of miracles.

The Bible also has talking serpents and donkeys and a genocidal priock of a God. 

All real to fools.

[blackbird]

On 8/16/2024 at 2:00 PM, SkyHigh said:

No one in their right mind would believe the bible over science on anything in which science is relevant.

You don't really have any understanding of what the Bible teaches and are making nonsensical claims.

What the Bible states as literal record of the creation should be accepted as a supernatural event.

Since God created everything including mankind and gave man the knowledge about science, the subject should be approached with due respect to God.

It is foolishness to say the Bible is fiction.  Atheism has no answers about why man is here, what man's purpose is, and ultimately what happens to man.  These are things that only the Bible answers.  Yet they are the most important subjects of all.  If you reject the Bible and those questions, you end up with nothing, no purpose for existing and everything is just an accident of the cosmos.  That is completely nonsensical and leads to despair and hopelessness.

[SkyHigh]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

You don't really have any understanding of what the Bible teaches and are making nonsensical claims.

What the Bible states as literal record of the creation should be accepted as a supernatural event.

Since God created everything including mankind and gave man the knowledge about science, the subject should be approached with due respect to God.

It is foolishness to say the Bible is fiction.  Atheism has no answers about why man is here, what man's purpose is, and ultimately what happens to man.  These are things that only the Bible answers.  Yet they are the most important subjects of all.  If you reject the Bible and those questions, you end up with nothing, no purpose for existing and everything is just an accident of the cosmos.  That is completely nonsensical and leads to despair and hopelessness.

I know the bible better than you. I've actually read it , you listen to con artist preachers "interpretations"  only interested in making money, making claims about a book that they and you don't really care about the message of Jesus but just as a way to justify your bigotry and hatred.

The Bible holds as much weight for me as the Koran, the Tora, the Vedas, etc .. NONE

You freely admitted you use the bible to prove the Bible, an obvious logical fallacy. I know you're not very bright  (this is proven by every post you make, you speak on religion, politics and science with an ignorance beyond the pale , because you willingly avoid any information that doesn't support your presupposed conclusions) . You are not someone that seeks truth, you're not even someone interested in  attempting to understand the options of others. Therefore your opinion is equivalent to a flat earther, useless.

Edited September 2, 2024 by SkyHigh

[SkyHigh]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

accepted as a supernatural event.

There is no evidence of the supernatural 

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

There is no evidence of the supernatural 

The King James Bible (1611) is full of evidence of the supernatural.  

There are many prophecies given in the Bible which came true much later in history proving the authenticity  and supernatural origin of the prophecies.  Many prophecies concern Jesus Christ.  You can find them simply by googling Bible prophecies prophecies concerning Jesus Christ.

Everyone has to decide whether they will believe the Biblical evidence or not.  It is a personal choice.

"The Bible teaches the existence of an immaterial, spiritual reality, unseen by human eyes. The physical reality is evident for all to see—although some doubt the existence of a material universe, too! The Bible says that the spiritual realm consists of both good—God and the holy angels—and evil—the devil and his demons. Demons are most likely fallen angels who rebelled against God and were thrown out of heaven (see Ezekiel 28:11–17; Isaiah 14:12–15; Revelation 12:7–9). The Bible also teaches that humans were created by God in His image, which means we have a spiritual component (Genesis 1:27). We are more than physical entities; we possess a soul/spirit destined for eternity. Even though the spiritual realm is invisible to the physical eye, we are connected to it, and what goes on in the spiritual realm directly affects our physical world.

In our culture, the most commonly accepted form of evidence for proving the existence of something is empirical evidence, which involves using the scientific method of observation and experimentation. Is there empirical evidence for a spiritual realm? It doesn’t take much research before one realizes there is “evidence” both for and against the existence of a spiritual realm. It comes down to which studies one wants to believe.

The best, and most prevalent, evidence available proving that there is a spiritual realm is testimonial evidence. We can look at the sheer number of religions around the world and the billions of people who focus their lives on the spiritual realm. Is it likely that so many people would report encounters with the spiritual and it not be real?

The best testimonial evidence for a spiritual realm is the Bible itself. Historians, both Christian and non-Christian, agree that the historical authenticity of the Bible is strong. Jesus claimed to be God’s Son, the One who came down from heaven. He made this fact quite clear: “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world” (John 8:23). The Bible recounts numerous encounters that people had with the spiritual realm. Jesus cast demons out of people regularly, healed the sick by speaking to them, miraculously fed thousands of people, and spoke with people who should be dead: Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:1–3). These are all indicators that the spiritual realm is real."

What evidence is there of a spiritual realm? | GotQuestions.org

Edited September 2, 2024 by blackbird

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

There is no evidence of the supernatural 

Here is a long list of evidence.

quote

A Statistical Improbability

Some Bible scholars suggest there are more than 300 Old Testament prophetic Scriptures completed in the life of Jesus Christ. Circumstances such as his birthplace, lineage, and method of execution were beyond Christ's control and could not have been accidentally or deliberately fulfilled.

 

In the book Science Speaks, Peter Stoner and Robert Newman discuss the statistical improbability of one man, whether accidentally or deliberately, fulfilling just eight of the prophecies Jesus fulfilled. The chance of this happening, they say, is 1 in 10¹⁷ power. Stoner presents a scenario that illustrates the magnitude of such odds:

 

Suppose that we take 10¹⁷ silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep. Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man, from their day to the present time, providing they wrote using their own wisdom.

 

The mathematical improbability of 300, or 47, or even just eight fulfilled prophesies of Jesus stands as evidence to his messiahship.

 

Prophecies of Jesus

Although this list is not exhaustive, you'll find 47 messianic predictions clearly fulfilled in Jesus Christ, along with supporting references from the Old Testament and New Testament fulfillment.

 

47 Old Testament Verses About Jesus as Messiah
	Prophecies of Jesus	Old Testament Scripture	New Testament Fulfillment
1	Messiah would be born of a woman.	Genesis 3:15	Matthew 1:20 Galatians 4:4
2	Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.	Micah 5:2	Matthew 2:1 Luke 2:4-6
3	Messiah would be born of a virgin.	Isaiah 7:14	Matthew 1:22-23 Luke 1:26-31
4	Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.	Genesis 12:3 Genesis 22:18	Matthew 1:1 Romans 9:5
5	Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.	Genesis 17:19 Genesis 21:12	Luke 3:34
6	Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob.	Numbers 24:17	Matthew 1:2
7	Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.	Genesis 49:10	Luke 3:33 Hebrews 7:14
8	Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.	2 Samuel 7:12-13 Isaiah 9:7	Luke 1:32-33 Romans 1:3
9	Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal.	Psalm 45:6-7 Daniel 2:44	Luke 1:33 Hebrews 1:8-12
10	Messiah would be called Immanuel.	Isaiah 7:14	Matthew 1:23
11	Messiah would spend a season in Egypt.	Hosea 11:1	Matthew 2:14-15
12	A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace.	Jeremiah 31:15	Matthew 2:16-18
13	A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah.	Isaiah 40:3-5	Luke 3:3-6
14	Messiah would be preceded by a forerunner.	Malachi 3:1	Matthew 11:10
15	Messiah would be rejected by his own people.	Psalm 69:8 Isaiah 53:3	John 1:11 John 7:5
16	Messiah would be a prophet.	Deuteronomy 18:15	Acts 3:20-22
17	Messiah would be preceded by Elijah.	Malachi 4:5-6	Matthew 11:13-14
18	Messiah would be declared the Son of God.	Psalm 2:7	Matthew 3:16-17
19	Messiah would be called a Nazarene.	Isaiah 11:1	Matthew 2:23
20	Messiah would bring light to Galilee.	Isaiah 9:1-2	Matthew 4:13-16
21	Messiah would speak in parables.	Psalm 78:2-4 Isaiah 6:9-10	Matthew 13:10-15, 34-35
22	Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.	Isaiah 61:1-2	Luke 4:18-19
23	Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.	Psalm 110:4	Hebrews 5:5-6
24	Messiah would be called King.	Psalm 2:6 Zechariah 9:9	Matthew 27:37 Mark 11:7-11
25	Messiah would enter Jerusalem on a donkey.	Zechariah 11:12	Matthew 21:4-5
26	Messiah would be praised by little children.	Psalm 8:2	Matthew 21:16
27	Messiah would be betrayed.	Psalm 41:9 Zechariah 11:12-13	Luke 22:47-48 Matthew 26:14-16
28	Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field.	Zechariah 11:12-13	Matthew 27:9-10
29	Messiah would be falsely accused.	Psalm 35:11	Mark 14:57-58
30	Messiah would be silent before his accusers.	Isaiah 53:7	Mark 15:4-5
31	Messiah would be spat upon and struck.	Isaiah 50:6	Matthew 26:67
32	Messiah would be hated without cause.	Psalm 35:19 Psalm 69:4	John 15:24-25
33	Messiah would be crucified with criminals.	Isaiah 53:12	Matthew 27:38 Mark 15:27-28
34	Messiah would be given vinegar to drink.	Psalm 69:21	Matthew 27:34 John 19:28-30
35	Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.	Psalm 22:16 Zechariah 12:10	John 20:25-27
36	Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed.	Psalm 22:7-8	Luke 23:35
37	Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments.	Psalm 22:18	Luke 23:34 Matthew 27:35-36
38	Messiah's bones would not be broken.	Exodus 12:46 Psalm 34:20	John 19:33-36
39	Messiah would be forsaken by God.	Psalm 22:1	Matthew 27:46
40	Messiah would pray for his enemies.	Psalm 109:4	Luke 23:34
41	Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side.	Zechariah 12:10	John 19:34
42	Messiah would be buried with the rich.	Isaiah 53:9	Matthew 27:57-60
43	Messiah would resurrect from the dead.	Psalm 16:10 Psalm 49:15	Matthew 28:2-7 Acts 2:22-32
44	Messiah would ascend to heaven.	Psalm 24:7-10	Mark 16:19 Luke 24:51
45	Messiah would be seated at God's right hand.	Psalm 68:18 Psalm 110:1	Mark 16:19 Matthew 22:44
46	Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin.	Isaiah 53:5-12	Romans 5:6-8
47	Messiah would return a second time.	Daniel  7:13-14	Revelation 19

 

These and many other Old Testament verses about Israel's Messiah were fulfilled in the New Testament life of Jesus Christ. Collectively they form the leading proof of Christ's deity. As Jesus went about his ministry, he knew that he was fulfilling these prophecies, and therefore, used this knowledge to confirm his claims of being the Son of God in the flesh:

unquote

For the rest of the article:

47 Old Testament Prophecies About Jesus (learnreligions.com)

[SkyHigh]

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

The King James Bible (1611) is full of evidence of the supernatural.  

There are many prophecies given in the Bible which came true much later in history proving the authenticity  and supernatural origin of the prophecies.  Many prophecies concern Jesus Christ.  You can find them simply by googling Bible prophecies prophecies concerning Jesus Christ.

Everyone has to decide whether they will believe the Biblical evidence or not.  It is a personal choice.

"The Bible teaches the existence of an immaterial, spiritual reality, unseen by human eyes. The physical reality is evident for all to see—although some doubt the existence of a material universe, too! The Bible says that the spiritual realm consists of both good—God and the holy angels—and evil—the devil and his demons. Demons are most likely fallen angels who rebelled against God and were thrown out of heaven (see Ezekiel 28:11–17; Isaiah 14:12–15; Revelation 12:7–9). The Bible also teaches that humans were created by God in His image, which means we have a spiritual component (Genesis 1:27). We are more than physical entities; we possess a soul/spirit destined for eternity. Even though the spiritual realm is invisible to the physical eye, we are connected to it, and what goes on in the spiritual realm directly affects our physical world.

In our culture, the most commonly accepted form of evidence for proving the existence of something is empirical evidence, which involves using the scientific method of observation and experimentation. Is there empirical evidence for a spiritual realm? It doesn’t take much research before one realizes there is “evidence” both for and against the existence of a spiritual realm. It comes down to which studies one wants to believe.

The best, and most prevalent, evidence available proving that there is a spiritual realm is testimonial evidence. We can look at the sheer number of religions around the world and the billions of people who focus their lives on the spiritual realm. Is it likely that so many people would report encounters with the spiritual and it not be real?

The best testimonial evidence for a spiritual realm is the Bible itself. Historians, both Christian and non-Christian, agree that the historical authenticity of the Bible is strong. Jesus claimed to be God’s Son, the One who came down from heaven. He made this fact quite clear: “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world” (John 8:23). The Bible recounts numerous encounters that people had with the spiritual realm. Jesus cast demons out of people regularly, healed the sick by speaking to them, miraculously fed thousands of people, and spoke with people who should be dead: Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:1–3). These are all indicators that the spiritual realm is real."

What evidence is there of a spiritual realm? | GotQuestions.org

You can't use the bible to prove the Bible, this is primary school logic. 

You continue to show you have no interest in truth.

[SkyHigh]

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

Here is a long list of evidence.

quote

A Statistical Improbability

Some Bible scholars suggest there are more than 300 Old Testament prophetic Scriptures completed in the life of Jesus Christ. Circumstances such as his birthplace, lineage, and method of execution were beyond Christ's control and could not have been accidentally or deliberately fulfilled.

 

In the book Science Speaks, Peter Stoner and Robert Newman discuss the statistical improbability of one man, whether accidentally or deliberately, fulfilling just eight of the prophecies Jesus fulfilled. The chance of this happening, they say, is 1 in 10¹⁷ power. Stoner presents a scenario that illustrates the magnitude of such odds:

 

Suppose that we take 10¹⁷ silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep. Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man, from their day to the present time, providing they wrote using their own wisdom.

 

The mathematical improbability of 300, or 47, or even just eight fulfilled prophesies of Jesus stands as evidence to his messiahship.

 

Prophecies of Jesus

Although this list is not exhaustive, you'll find 47 messianic predictions clearly fulfilled in Jesus Christ, along with supporting references from the Old Testament and New Testament fulfillment.

 

47 Old Testament Verses About Jesus as Messiah
	Prophecies of Jesus	Old Testament Scripture	New Testament Fulfillment
1	Messiah would be born of a woman.	Genesis 3:15	Matthew 1:20 Galatians 4:4
2	Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.	Micah 5:2	Matthew 2:1 Luke 2:4-6
3	Messiah would be born of a virgin.	Isaiah 7:14	Matthew 1:22-23 Luke 1:26-31
4	Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.	Genesis 12:3 Genesis 22:18	Matthew 1:1 Romans 9:5
5	Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.	Genesis 17:19 Genesis 21:12	Luke 3:34
6	Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob.	Numbers 24:17	Matthew 1:2
7	Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.	Genesis 49:10	Luke 3:33 Hebrews 7:14
8	Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.	2 Samuel 7:12-13 Isaiah 9:7	Luke 1:32-33 Romans 1:3
9	Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal.	Psalm 45:6-7 Daniel 2:44	Luke 1:33 Hebrews 1:8-12
10	Messiah would be called Immanuel.	Isaiah 7:14	Matthew 1:23
11	Messiah would spend a season in Egypt.	Hosea 11:1	Matthew 2:14-15
12	A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace.	Jeremiah 31:15	Matthew 2:16-18
13	A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah.	Isaiah 40:3-5	Luke 3:3-6
14	Messiah would be preceded by a forerunner.	Malachi 3:1	Matthew 11:10
15	Messiah would be rejected by his own people.	Psalm 69:8 Isaiah 53:3	John 1:11 John 7:5
16	Messiah would be a prophet.	Deuteronomy 18:15	Acts 3:20-22
17	Messiah would be preceded by Elijah.	Malachi 4:5-6	Matthew 11:13-14
18	Messiah would be declared the Son of God.	Psalm 2:7	Matthew 3:16-17
19	Messiah would be called a Nazarene.	Isaiah 11:1	Matthew 2:23
20	Messiah would bring light to Galilee.	Isaiah 9:1-2	Matthew 4:13-16
21	Messiah would speak in parables.	Psalm 78:2-4 Isaiah 6:9-10	Matthew 13:10-15, 34-35
22	Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.	Isaiah 61:1-2	Luke 4:18-19
23	Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.	Psalm 110:4	Hebrews 5:5-6
24	Messiah would be called King.	Psalm 2:6 Zechariah 9:9	Matthew 27:37 Mark 11:7-11
25	Messiah would enter Jerusalem on a donkey.	Zechariah 11:12	Matthew 21:4-5
26	Messiah would be praised by little children.	Psalm 8:2	Matthew 21:16
27	Messiah would be betrayed.	Psalm 41:9 Zechariah 11:12-13	Luke 22:47-48 Matthew 26:14-16
28	Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field.	Zechariah 11:12-13	Matthew 27:9-10
29	Messiah would be falsely accused.	Psalm 35:11	Mark 14:57-58
30	Messiah would be silent before his accusers.	Isaiah 53:7	Mark 15:4-5
31	Messiah would be spat upon and struck.	Isaiah 50:6	Matthew 26:67
32	Messiah would be hated without cause.	Psalm 35:19 Psalm 69:4	John 15:24-25
33	Messiah would be crucified with criminals.	Isaiah 53:12	Matthew 27:38 Mark 15:27-28
34	Messiah would be given vinegar to drink.	Psalm 69:21	Matthew 27:34 John 19:28-30
35	Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.	Psalm 22:16 Zechariah 12:10	John 20:25-27
36	Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed.	Psalm 22:7-8	Luke 23:35
37	Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments.	Psalm 22:18	Luke 23:34 Matthew 27:35-36
38	Messiah's bones would not be broken.	Exodus 12:46 Psalm 34:20	John 19:33-36
39	Messiah would be forsaken by God.	Psalm 22:1	Matthew 27:46
40	Messiah would pray for his enemies.	Psalm 109:4	Luke 23:34
41	Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side.	Zechariah 12:10	John 19:34
42	Messiah would be buried with the rich.	Isaiah 53:9	Matthew 27:57-60
43	Messiah would resurrect from the dead.	Psalm 16:10 Psalm 49:15	Matthew 28:2-7 Acts 2:22-32
44	Messiah would ascend to heaven.	Psalm 24:7-10	Mark 16:19 Luke 24:51
45	Messiah would be seated at God's right hand.	Psalm 68:18 Psalm 110:1	Mark 16:19 Matthew 22:44
46	Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin.	Isaiah 53:5-12	Romans 5:6-8
47	Messiah would return a second time.	Daniel  7:13-14	Revelation 19

 

These and many other Old Testament verses about Israel's Messiah were fulfilled in the New Testament life of Jesus Christ. Collectively they form the leading proof of Christ's deity. As Jesus went about his ministry, he knew that he was fulfilling these prophecies, and therefore, used this knowledge to confirm his claims of being the Son of God in the flesh:

unquote

For the rest of the article:

47 Old Testament Prophecies About Jesus (learnreligions.com)

So your whole argument is , some book says a thing. Sad

[French Patriot]

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

Everyone has to decide whether they will believe the Biblical evidence or not.

True.

All must decide for themselves if there were/are real talking serpents and donkeys walking among us as well, as all kinds of ghosts and goblins.

The intelligent know which camp has more credibility.

[French Patriot]

On 9/2/2024 at 2:21 AM, blackbird said:

If you reject the Bible and those questions, you end up with nothing, no purpose for existing and everything is just an accident of the cosmos.  That is completely nonsensical and leads to despair and hopelessness.

Total B.S.

Have you not heard of theistic evolution? 

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

So your whole argument is , some book says a thing. Sad

"How can we be sure that we have the correct 66 books in our Bible? The Bible is a unique volume. It is composed of 66 books by 40 different writers over 1,500 years. But what makes it unique is that it has one consistent storyline running all the way through, and it has just one ultimate author—God. The story is about God’s plan to rescue men and women from the devastating results of the Fall, a plan that was conceived in eternity, revealed through the prophets, and carried out by the Son of God, Jesus Christ."

Why 66? | Answers in Genesis

Some authors wrote these prophecies many centuries before they were fulfilled.  Many prophecies I referenced are in the books of the Old Testament which was completed centuries before the New Testament was written.

This proves beyond a doubt the truth of the prophecies and the Bible.

The odds of this happening by chance are infinitesimally or statistically small enough to be considered impossible without the direction of God.

[SkyHigh]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

"How can we be sure that we have the correct 66 books in our Bible? The Bible is a unique volume. It is composed of 66 books by 40 different writers over 1,500 years. But what makes it unique is that it has one consistent storyline running all the way through, and it has just one ultimate author—God. The story is about God’s plan to rescue men and women from the devastating results of the Fall, a plan that was conceived in eternity, revealed through the prophets, and carried out by the Son of God, Jesus Christ."

Why 66? | Answers in Genesis

Some authors wrote these prophecies many centuries before they were fulfilled.  Many prophecies I referenced are in the books of the Old Testament which was completed centuries before the New Testament was written.

This proves beyond a doubt the truth of the prophecies and the Bible.

The odds of this happening by chance are infinitesimally or statistically small enough to be considered impossible without the direction of God.

So ... Some book says a thing.

You don't seem to understand I don't believe in the bible, so using the bible to justify the bible is ridiculous. I could use the exact same logic to prove that Voldemort is true, the book says so. Do you now accept Voldemort? Of course you don't, why? For the exact same reason I don't accept your god.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

So ... Some book says a thing.

You don't seem to understand I don't believe in the bible, so using the bible to justify the bible is ridiculous. I could use the exact same logic to prove that Voldemort is true, the book says so. Do you now accept Voldemort? Of course you don't, why? For the exact same reason I don't accept your god.

I have done what I could to try to help you.  The Holy Scriptures were written to tell man the way of salvation.  There is nothing else to offer and nothing else to say that I know of.   If you reject that, which you say you do, there is not much more to say.  If you are on here only to win a debate, that is a losing proposition.  Truth does not and cannot be changed to suit someone's preferences.

Edited September 3, 2024 by blackbird

[SkyHigh]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

There is nothing else to offer

Agreed, you have nothing to offer.

You don't care about truth and you're not a real Christian.

 

[User]

On 9/3/2024 at 3:24 PM, SkyHigh said:

So ... Some book says a thing.

You don't seem to understand I don't believe in the bible, so using the bible to justify the bible is ridiculous. I could use the exact same logic to prove that Voldemort is true, the book says so. Do you now accept Voldemort? Of course you don't, why? For the exact same reason I don't accept your god.

Well, it is not just some book. 

You don't have to believe it, you certainly do not have to have faith in God, but the Bible is not Harry Potter, it is a work of history, written by some 40+ authors over a thousand years. 

Trying to compare a work of fiction to a work of non-fiction like you are doing is just absurd on its face. I presume you have to know that, but are just playing at being insulting. 

 

9 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Agreed, you have nothing to offer.

You don't care about truth and you're not a real Christian.

 

How do you even know what a real Christian is?

You have just dismissed the very book that would define what a Christian is as nothing more than a piece of fiction like Harry Potter. 

[SkyHigh]

43 minutes ago, User said:

Well, it is not just some book. 

You don't have to believe it, you certainly do not have to have faith in God, but the Bible is not Harry Potter, it is a work of history, written by some 40+ authors over a thousand years. 

Trying to compare a work of fiction to a work of non-fiction like you are doing is just absurd on its face. I presume you have to know that, but are just playing at being insulting. 

 

How do you even know what a real Christian is?

You have just dismissed the very book that would define what a Christian is as nothing more than a piece of fiction like Harry Potter. 

You claim the bible isn't fiction, any evidence to support that?

[User]

18 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

You claim the bible isn't fiction, any evidence to support that?

This can't be a real question. Are you really this ignorant of The Bible or are you really trying this hard to be obtuse about it?