blackbird Posted March 11 Author Report Share Posted March 11 13 minutes ago, Gaétan said: You cannot judge your neighbour for his crimes because you don't want to be judge for your crimes. I am just not you. The rules you applies to you is the same rule you must apply to your neighbour Of course I am under the same law as everyone else. You are not making sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 11 Author Report Share Posted March 11 12 minutes ago, Aristides said: I have a conscience and don't use a book as a crutch to justify putting people to death. You don't believe murderers should receive capital punishment, but you are probably ok with doctor-assisted suicide and killing of unborn babies in abortion, right? You say your conscience is your guide, but just means whatever you happen to believe or more likely what some liberal or progressive told you. That is contrary to the Bible which says all are sinners and have a corrupt heart. That means your guide is fallen corrupt humans, i.e. humanism. That is just a form of paganism or heathenism. Whatever the tribe decides must be the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 Yes I am OK with doctor assisted suicide because it is the individuals choice. Funny that you are so protective of fetuses but have no problem with putting adults to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 11 Author Report Share Posted March 11 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Aristides said: Yes I am OK with doctor assisted suicide because it is the individuals choice. Funny that you are so protective of fetuses but have no problem with putting adults to death. There is a world of difference between capital punishment for a convicted murderer and taking someone's life who is not being punished for murder, but just because someone thinks a person has a right to take his own life or give someone assisted suicide. God has taught that human life is sacred and only God has the right to decide when it ends. You or anyone else has no right to decide to actively end someone else's life or even your own life. God said in his word "thou shalt not kill" and in another place in Scripture it says our bodies belong to God. He created us in his image. Therefore only God has the right to take life. The exception to this is for a convicted murderer. Such a person has taken the life of someone who was created in the image of God and therefore it is just that he forfeit his life through the proper legal system. The unborn baby is a human made in the image of God and his/her life is sacred just as much as any other person. Edited March 11 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 Doctor assisted suicide is not taking someone's life, it is giving them control over their own lives. Quote God has taught that human life is sacred and only God has the right to decide when it ends. You or anyone else has no right to decide to actively end someone else's life. God said in his word "thou shalt not kill" and in another place in Scripture it says our bodies belong to God. He created us in his image. Therefore only God has the right to take life. Yet you think you are justified in killing in Gods name. You religious types are just control freaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 11 Author Report Share Posted March 11 22 minutes ago, Aristides said: Yes I am OK with doctor assisted suicide because it is the individuals choice. Funny that you are so protective of fetuses but have no problem with putting adults to death. The fact you would think a convicted murderer has the right not to receive capital punishment while an innocent unborn baby does not have that right shows you how convoluted and warped your thinking is. In general, the world is deceived by Satan and his minions. That explains why many people cannot understand the concept of the sanctity of life and when justice is appropriate for murderers. Satan has deceived you. You probably don't even believe he exists, which is perfectly find with him. He doesn't want you to believe in him or God's word. That is how he rules the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, blackbird said: The fact you would think a convicted murderer has the right not to receive capital punishment while an innocent unborn baby does not have that right shows you how convoluted and warped your thinking is. In general, the world is deceived by Satan and his minions. That explains why many people cannot understand the concept of the sanctity of life and when justice is appropriate for murderers. Satan has deceived you. You probably don't even believe he exists, which is perfectly find with him. He doesn't want you to believe in him or God's word. That is how he rules the world. You believe in killing adult humans but not a woman's dominion over her own body. You are a control freak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 11 Author Report Share Posted March 11 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Aristides said: Doctor assisted suicide is not taking someone's life, it is giving them control over their own lives. Yet you think you are justified in killing in Gods name. You religious types are just control freaks. No, I don't. I oppose killing as a general rule, but believe the state has the power and responsibility to use capital punishment in certain cases such as murder after a fair trial. You are under God's authority and will be held accountable for your rejection of it. You reject God's commandments by supporting killing of unborn babies and assisted suicide. Many laws evolved from God's word down through the centuries. Laws that outlaw stealing, protection of private property, etc. Edited March 11 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 You make up your own rules who is to live and die and use the Bible to justify them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaétan Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 37 minutes ago, blackbird said: Of course I am under the same law as everyone else. You are not making sense. You have a different law because you want to judge others for their crimes but not yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 11 Author Report Share Posted March 11 3 minutes ago, Aristides said: You believe in killing adult humans but not a woman's dominion over her own body. You are a control freak. A unborn baby is not the woman's own body. It is a separate human being. That is a biological fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 11 Author Report Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Gaétan said: You have a different law because you want to judge others for their crimes but not yours. Where did I say that? You just made it up. Isn't it past your bedtime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaétan Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Where did I say that? You just made it up. Isn't it past your bedtime? I don't make it up every one is like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 17 minutes ago, blackbird said: A unborn baby is not the woman's own body. It is a separate human being. That is a biological fact. It can't live outside her body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 11 Author Report Share Posted March 11 Just now, Aristides said: It can't live outside her body. That does not mean anything. The unborn baby will grow and be born. After it is born it still depends on the mother to feed it and grow. Does that mean it is not a person? Of course not. Since you are opposed to God and the Bible, we know where you are coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 3 minutes ago, blackbird said: That does not mean anything. The unborn baby will grow and be born. After it is born it still depends on the mother to feed it and grow. Does that mean it is not a person? Of course not. Since you are opposed to God and the Bible, we know where you are coming from. I'm opposed to people who try to use the Bible to control others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 11 Author Report Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: I'm opposed to people who try to use the Bible to control others. You want to be free to do whatever you feel like without any restrictions. That is not how the world works and not how God meant for man to live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 (edited) 47 minutes ago, blackbird said: You want to be free to do whatever you feel like without any restrictions. That is not how the world works and not how God meant for man to live. You don’t get to control how others live their own lives. You are the one who wants to put people to death, not God. You just use God as an excuse. Edited March 11 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 11 Author Report Share Posted March 11 (edited) 8 hours ago, Aristides said: You don’t get to control how others live their own lives. You are the one who wants to put people to death, not God. You just use God as an excuse. Everyone has their own personal beliefs. I don't make the laws but I have the right in a democracy to my views on how the country should be governed to protect society and make a better country. It's as simple as that. You don't believe that God and his word have a place in the world. You believe in liberalism and soft-on-crime. The present law and order situation is a disaster. You have no solution. I have some ideas. Edited March 11 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaétan Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 32 minutes ago, blackbird said: Everyone has their own personal beliefs. I don't make the laws but I have the right in a democracy to my views on how the country should be governed to protect society and make a better country. It's as simple as that. You don't believe that God and his word have a place in the world. You believe in liberalism and soft-on-crime. The present law and order situation is a disaster. You have no solution. I have some ideas. You are an unjust because you want to judge and condem other people crimes but not yours. I am a just person as i don't want my crimes be condemned i don't judge or condem the crimes of others, so as a real christian i want the prisons shut down and send everybody free. Judges are just but a bunch of ass holes. Ref Mt 7.1, Lk 6.37 The rule you use to judge others will be use for you because there can't be two justice, the one easy for you and hard for your neighbour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 10 hours ago, blackbird said: You want to be free to do whatever you feel like without any restrictions. That is not how the world works and not how God meant for man to live. I want to be free of religious doctrine when it comes to making the laws I live under. You want to control people using your interpretation of the Bible as an excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 2 hours ago, blackbird said: Everyone has their own personal beliefs. I don't make the laws but I have the right in a democracy to my views on how the country should be governed to protect society and make a better country. It's as simple as that. You don't believe that God and his word have a place in the world. You believe in liberalism and soft-on-crime. The present law and order situation is a disaster. You have no solution. I have some ideas. I don't dispute your right to express your views or live your own life according to your beliefs. I fully support them. You are the one who wants to control others according to your beliefs. This isn't about supporting crime, neither of us do that. You think it is morally acceptable to put people to death for those crimes and I don't. It is no more complicated than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 Nailing Jesus to the cross was 100% legal. Therefore we should celebrate those who condemned him? say no more.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaétan Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 In the New Testament the punishment is according to the golden rule of loving your neighbor as yourself and only takes place after your death, after having lived your life, if you are an unjust person and from now on you can repent, while in the Old Testament your punishment is according to the law of retaliation and takes place immediately if you are caught whether you are a just or an unjust person which means that the righteous are wrongly condemned and this It is even said that you can sometimes sacrifice an innocent person in your place, which seems to me to be a total injustice. The Old Testament is the justice of the devil or others while in the New Testament you are the implementer of justice, it is not God who condemns you it is you, God only does executed the judgment you had against yourself. Example: Adultery, in the Old Testament you are condemned to death whether you are just or unjust right away while in the New Testament you are only condemned after your death, after having lived your whole life without to be repented of it on the condition of having been unjust, that is to say not accepting that your partner cheats on you. I prefer the rule of justice of the New Testament to that of the Old Testament but we see that society prefers the rule of the Old Testament and applies it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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