Ukraine Can't Win the War

[Moonbox]

On 12/16/2025 at 4:13 PM, User said:

The intent? My intent doesn’t change the objective facts.

The objective facts are that the Donald deliberately and repeatedly lied for the Kremlin's benefit, and being the sad  sycophant you are, you can't actually criticize him for it.  Instead, your energy is spent downplaying and mischaracterizing the behavior as "saying stupid things", like Trump just happens to keep making Putin-helpful OOPSIES or something.  

On 12/16/2025 at 4:13 PM, User said:

Where is your evidence he has “substantially” done this?

Other than the various pauses and suspensions of military aid that he's overseen?  Well there's this (which you've been shown 3-4 times now).  I know you hate seeing it, because it's objective fact in easy, visual form.  It makes it really hard to litigate phrasing and wording, as your so prone to do.

Nobody here is surprised that aid commitments and allocations of military aid from the US stopped after Trump was inaugurated.  He doesn't get credit for just being in office while the pipeline of previous (and legally obligated) allocations run their course.  

What he does get credit for is watching that pipeline run down while making no efforts whatsoever to secure new or future allocations, and for the fact that Putin can continue playing the strong hand on the assumption that US support is running out and that he can just wait this out with a useful idi*t running the White House.  

[User]

6 hours ago, Moonbox said:

for the Kremlin's benefit

Nope. I already called you out before on this lie, not skipping over it again. No point in continuing until you acknowledge this is BS. 

[Moonbox]

10 hours ago, User said:

Nope. I already called you out before on this lie, not skipping over it again. No point in continuing until you acknowledge this is BS. 

 

“Calling out” a matter of public record as a "lie" or "BS" is peak MAGA self‑embarrassment. 

Trump's Kremlin-aligned lying is well-documented - on camera for the whole world to see.  Run away little Trumpy.  Run away.    

[User]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

 

“Calling out” a matter of public record as a "lie" or "BS" is peak MAGA self‑embarrassment. 

Trump's Kremlin-aligned lying is well-documented - on camera for the whole world to see.  Run away little Trumpy.  Run away.    

There is no public record of him doing this "on behalf of" the Kremlin. 

Your brain is beyond broken. The sad part is that for as much as you cry about Trump's dishonesty, you are not any better here yourself. 

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, User said:

There is no public record of him doing this "on behalf of" the Kremlin. 

You’re pretending "on behalf of" requires a notarized agency contract. When someone knowingly repeats falsehoods that advance a hostile foreign power’s interests, the beneficiary defines who they’re acting on behalf of, not some imaginary requirement for paperwork.

Notice what you’re not disputing:  That Trump knowingly and repeatedly lied, that those lies parroted Kremlin propaganda, or that they advanced the Kremlin's Ukraine War narratives.  

You've turned my choice of preposition "on behalf of" into your entire defense, exposing how intellectually small and bankrupt your argument has been all along.  🤣

[User]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You’re pretending "on behalf of" requires a notarized agency contract.

I am not pretending anything. You are using deceptive language to paint a dishonest picture, which makes you a liar. 

You know what you did not do? You did not produce any evidence to back up your assertion, because it is BS and you know it. Because you are a liar. 

Instead, you distract, change the subject... I am not moving past this lie. 

[Moonbox]

On 12/19/2025 at 5:38 PM, User said:

I am not pretending anything. You are using deceptive language to paint a dishonest picture, which makes you a liar. 

A picture you can't even articulate, much less explain why it's dishonest or deceptive.  

You don't attack the reasoning.  You don't describe what's wrong or why.  You're not even presenting a counter-argument.   You're just making noises and accusations without content.  

On 12/19/2025 at 5:38 PM, User said:

Instead, you distract, change the subject... I am not moving past this lie. 

Shouting liar is like a magic word for you - a way of bailing from an argument that’s embarrassing you, because doing so makes your failed reasoning more obvious.  It's how you...run away.  🤡

[User]

7 hours ago, Moonbox said:

A picture you can't even articulate, much less explain why it's dishonest or deceptive.  

You don't attack the reasoning.  You don't describe what's wrong or why.  You're not even presenting a counter-argument.   You're just m

You ignored much of my earlier responses until the discussion devolved to this point. 

Much like you ignore most of what Trump says and does that doesn’t fit your dishonest narrative.

7 hours ago, Moonbox said:

On 12/19/2025 at 2:38 PM, User said:

 

Shouting liar is like a magic word for you - a way of bailing from an argument that’s embarrassing you, because doing so makes your failed reasoning more obvious.  It's how you...run away.  🤡

Nope. You keep pushing a lie. Notice how you are not even bothering to respond to that now? 
 

Instead YOU focus on being called a liar and avoid actually responding to the lie that has been explained to you already.

[Army Guy]

On 12/24/2025 at 10:50 AM, User said:

You ignored much of my earlier responses until the discussion devolved to this point. 

Much like you ignore most of what Trump says and does that doesn’t fit your dishonest narrative.

Nope. You keep pushing a lie. Notice how you are not even bothering to respond to that now? 
 

Instead YOU focus on being called a liar and avoid actually responding to the lie that has been explained to you already.

This is what moonbox calls debating, not even worth the effort...

[Moonbox]

On 12/26/2025 at 9:08 PM, Army Guy said:

This is what moonbox calls debating, not even worth the effort...

Were you attempting to offer anything to the discussion, or was this just drive-by trolling?  If the latter, that'd look pretty awkward on you considering how much time you spend complaining about the behavior.  Either way, thanks for stopping by.  🙄

[Army Guy]

17 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Were you attempting to offer anything to the discussion, or was this just drive-by trolling?  If the latter, that'd look pretty awkward on you considering how much time you spend complaining about the behavior.  Either way, thanks for stopping by.  🙄

Hardly trolling, just me confirming your debating skills with another poster.........Not that he needed it, i mean he's figure you out long ago......and your welcome.

[Nationalist]

This thread has gotten interesting. Two guys who want the slaughter to continue...without their direct participation mind you...arguing over Trump's role in 2025. 

'He's acting on behalf of Putin!'

'Thers no evidence of that!'

Ya that's simplified but...

Aside from the obvious meddling NATO/USA did to the Ukrainian government, which presents the most financial up-side, Western Europe or Russia?

Ya know...a lot o' Germans want Nordstream turned back on.

So much sunk money. Probably a complete waste. Unless you work for NATO of course. Maintaining those bloated bureaucracies is rather costly.

Oh there's also the cost of greasing the wheels in the Ukrainian government. 

'Ukraine is just too corrupt to qualify for NATO membership. So let's throw billions at them and see what happens.'

Bloody ridiculous...

Edited December 29, 2025 by Nationalist

[Moonbox]

 

On 12/24/2025 at 9:50 AM, User said:

Instead YOU focus on being called a liar and avoid actually responding to the lie that has been explained to you already.

I'm the one focused on this???  🤣🤣🤣

Let's review:

On 12/19/2025 at 5:38 PM, User said:

Instead, you distract, change the subject... I am not moving past this lie. 

How do you reconcile this sort of foolishness?  

At this point all I'm trying to do is pin down what you're even accusing me of, specifically.  It's becoming increasingly apparent that specificity and clarity are your kryptonite in debate.  If you can keep things muddy and vague, you never have to make a real argument.  👌

[User]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I'm the one focused on this???  🤣🤣🤣

Yes, still are. 

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

How do you reconcile this sort of foolishness?  

It starts with you owning up to your lies.

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

At this point all I'm trying to do is pin down what you're even accusing me of, specifically.

No, you are just playing dumb. You obfuscate for so long that you then dishonestly pretend you have no idea what the discussion was even about. It is about your continued use of dishonest language like "on behalf of" the Kremlin or for their benefit. 
 

 

 

[Moonbox]

Just now, Army Guy said:

Hardly trolling, just me confirming your debating skills with another poster.........Not that he needed it, i mean he's figure you out long ago......and your welcome.

Since you've made absolutely no attempt to engage the subject of the discussion, and your post was entirely focused on me, it's objectively nothing but trolling.  The clueless hypocrisy you demonstrate with this sort of behavior after spending as much time as you have denouncing it can't really be understated, but cluelessness is one of your defining qualities on this forum.  👍

[User]

7 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Since you've made absolutely no attempt to engage the subject of the discussion, and your post was entirely focused on me, it's objectively nothing but trolling.  The clueless hypocrisy you demonstrate with this sort of behavior after spending as much time as you have denouncing it can't really be understated, but cluelessness is one of your defining qualities on this forum.  👍

If you are going to cry about being called out for acting like you do here... why not just change how you behave?

 

[Army Guy]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Since you've made absolutely no attempt to engage the subject of the discussion, and your post was entirely focused on me, it's objectively nothing but trolling.  The clueless hypocrisy you demonstrate with this sort of behavior after spending as much time as you have denouncing it can't really be understated, but cluelessness is one of your defining qualities on this forum.  👍

My post was not focused on you, your really not all that interesting.....what i did focus on was  your debating skills, which are in this case are not all that good..

[Moonbox]

33 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, still are. 

Utter nonsense.  You just said: 

On 12/19/2025 at 5:38 PM, User said:

Instead, you distract, change the subject... I am not moving past this lie. 

You're explicitly telling us where you've drawn the line in the sand, and what you're focusing on, but then accuse me of being the one focused on it?  That's imbecilic.

37 minutes ago, User said:

You obfuscate for so long that you then dishonestly pretend you have no idea what the discussion was even about. It is about your continued use of dishonest language like "on behalf of" the Kremlin or for their benefit. 

I'm not obfuscating.  I'm trying to get you to be specific for a change, and to substantiate your accusations.  I'll refer you back to my previous response:

You’re pretending "on behalf of" requires a notarized agency contract. When someone knowingly repeats falsehoods that advance a hostile foreign power’s interests, the beneficiary defines who they’re acting on behalf of, not some imaginary requirement for paperwork.

Notice what you’re not disputing:  That Trump knowingly and repeatedly lied, that those lies parroted Kremlin propaganda, or that they advanced the Kremlin's Ukraine War narratives.  

You've turned my choice of preposition "on behalf of" into your entire defense, exposing how intellectually small and bankrupt your argument has been all along.  🤣

Now instead of pretending I didn't respond to this again , or just limply repeating your accusation of dishonesty, maybe you could actually provide a counter-argument?  A refutation?  Anything but changing the subject?  

[User]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

You're explicitly telling us where you've drawn the line in the sand, and what you're focusing on, but then accuse me of being the one focused on it?  That's imbecilic.

Are you off your meds schizo? Who is this "us" LOL

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You’re pretending "on behalf of" requires a notarized agency contract.

Your entire BS response falls apart at the start as you have to make up some crap I am pretending instead of dealing with the lie you posted. 

 

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

My post was not focused on you, your really not all that interesting.....what i did focus on was  your debating skills, which are in this case are not all that good..

Do you have a specific critique to offer - something relevant to the discussion?  If not, then I'm not sure who you think you're convincing here.  🤡 

[User]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

Do you have a specific critique to offer - something relevant to the discussion?  If not, then I'm not sure who you think you're convincing here.  🤡 

Your behavior here is entirely relevant to the discussion... as your behavior IS what this discussion is currently about. 

[Moonbox]

1 minute ago, User said:

Are you off your meds schizo? Who is this "us" LOL

The people in the thread?  You and I?  

3 minutes ago, User said:

Your entire BS response falls apart at the start as you have to make up some crap I am pretending instead of dealing with the lie you posted. 

I'm directly responding to your accusation, and explaining how ridiculous it is to claim it's a lie.  Feel free to offer a counter-point, but we know you won't (can't).  Empty, limp accusations is all you can offer here.

When you can provide some sort of explanation for why Trump would knowingly repeat falsehoods that advance the Kremlin's interests, let us know!  🤡

[User]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The people in the thread?  You and I?  

You can't even pull of speaking on behalf of yourself here... I would focus on you for now rather than speak on behalf of the forum. 

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I'm directly responding to your accusation

No, you had to make up something about my pretending. Try to actually respond to what was said first. What you said. 

 

[Moonbox]

16 minutes ago, User said:

You can't even pull of speaking on behalf of yourself here... I would focus on you for now rather than speak on behalf of the forum. 

Good one.  Real zinger.  🫠

16 minutes ago, User said:

No, you had to make up something about my pretending. Try to actually respond to what was said first. What you said. 

No I'm sticking with that claim. You're still pretending.  You still can't explain why "on behalf of" or "for the Kremlin's benefit" is problematic or dishonest language, nor have you made any attempt to do so.  You still won't provide any explanation for why your Orange Messiah deliberately and repeatedly lied and knowingly advanced the Kremlin's propaganda efforts.  

All you can do here is emptily screech about dishonesty, but that doesn't substitute for an actual argument.  

Edited December 29, 2025 by Moonbox

[User]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

No I'm sticking with that claim. You're still pretending.  You still can't explain why "on behalf of" or "for the Kremlin's benefit" is problematic or dishonest language, nor have you made any attempt to do so.

It was YOUR claim Trump did that. You offered ZERO evidence. All I have to do is point that out and that you are a liar because Trump didn't do that. 

What next, going to demand I prove there are no Unicorns or Bigfoot when I say they don't exist?