Hush Money to a Porn Star vs Shell Companies to Funnel Money From China to the Bidens

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

It doesn’t work that way.  
When someone commits a crime, they don’t get to stand before a judge and claim that, since somebody else allegedly committed a greater crime, they’re innocent.  
 

Trump committed crimes. Frankly, we all know this. We all know he insults people, he lies, we knew before his first term that he routinely refused to pay contractors, that he defrauded Trump “University” students, that he cheated on his wives, that he was sexually inappropriate with women.  We knew that he promised to released his tax returns, same as every other Presidential candidate since Ford and Carter, then sued to block their release… so it’s no surprise that their release revealed tax and other fraud. We knew he paid off Stormy Daniels and his lawyer went to jail over it.  
 

Everybody knew all this.  And now you’re acting surprised that he’s being prosecuted?  

There were no crimes there. Stop BSing you whiny little baby. 

Trump banged a chick, then he gave her money to keep her trap shut. End of story.

If that's a felony then there aren't enough jails in the US.

[WestCanMan]

@I am Groot

When Obama was POTUS his VP's family was working closely with China's one belt one road initiative. Ye Jianming was Hunter's business partner and there's no discussion of one belt one road without his name all over it.

^^That's^^ Hunter's business associate - Ye Jianming - on the left with Xi Jinping, the President of China and Czech President Milos Zeman.

This photo is from a CNN article [<--clicky clicky] 

Just a small blurb:

• As CEFC China Energy thrived, Ye traveled the world on his private Airbus glad-handing leaders, including President Erdogan of Turkey, the former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, the prime minister of Kazakhstan, and Alan Greenspan, the former US Federal Reserve chairman.

  With better political connections came bigger international deals. In 2016, for example, CEFC China Energy established trade deals in Georgia and reached a $680 million agreement -- which has since fallen through -- with a Kazakh state oil and gas firm. The next year, it spent $900 million on a stake in a huge oil field majority-owned by Abu Dhabi National Oil Co.

They forgot to mention "Hunter and Joe" there, but it's CNN. What did you expect?

Oh look, there's Romania on that map. One of the countries that the Biden family was raking in money... https://nypost.com/2023/05/10/comer-shows-bidens-got-1m-from-convicted-romanian-businessman/

• Hunter Biden’s association with Romanian businessman Gabriel Popoviciu is one of the Biden family’s lesser-known engagements with dodgy associates in countries where Joe Biden held sway as vice president.

• In a 36-page memo Wednesday morning, the House committee cited subpoenaed bank records to describe how $3 million allegedly was transferred from Popoviciu’s Bladon Enterprises to Robinson Walker LLC — controlled by Hunter’s business partner Rob Walker — between November 2015 and May 2017.

  Of the $3 million, the memo says roughly one-third — $1,038,627.08 — was transferred to bank accounts belonging to Hunter Biden, first daughter-in-law Hallie Biden, and an unnamed Biden family member. 

  The Romanian distribution mirrors a similar division of a roughly $3 million in early 2017 from Chinese firm CEFC China Energy [Ye Jianming's company - he's Hunter's business associate], about a third of which was shared among Hunter, Hallie, first brother James Biden and an unidentified Biden, according to an Oversight Committee memo from March.

Going back to the original article from up top:

• Ye’s empire began to crumble on November 18, 2017. On that day, FBI agents arrested Patrick Ho Chi-ping, the man Ye had employed to lead his NGO. Ho was charged with money laundering and violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. He is accused of offering $3 million in bribes to the President of Chad, Idriss Deby, and Sam Kutesa, the Ugandan minister of foreign affairs and then president of the United Nations General Assembly. The alleged bribes were made on behalf of a Shanghai-based energy company, which is not explicitly named in the court documents.

Who was the president on Nov 18 2017, back when Trump was doing nothing, Grooty Wooty? 

If we're being honest, are there any names missing on that list of people who received bribes?

Are we done here?

[godzilla]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There were no crimes there. Stop BSing you whiny little baby. 

Trump banged a chick, then he gave her money to keep her trap shut. End of story.

If that's a felony then there aren't enough jails in the US.

why won't you address this. what part of your mind is just a black hole that you refuse to see it.

he falsified business transactions to hide the payments from the IRS so that he wouldn't have to pay taxes on that money. this is what he's getting charged with.

there are other charges related to campaign stuff... but the business transactions are locked in. he and his lawyers have not even attempted to explain this.

Edited February 17, 2024 by godzilla

[Rebound]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There were no crimes there. Stop BSing you whiny little baby. 

Trump banged a chick, then he gave her money to keep her trap shut. End of story.

If that's a felony then there aren't enough jails in the US.

[godzilla]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

@I am Groot

When Obama was POTUS his VP's family was working closely with China's one belt one road initiative. Ye Jianming was Hunter's business partner and there's no discussion of one belt one road without his name all over it.

^^That's^^ Hunter's business associate - Ye Jianming - on the left with Xi Jinping, the President of China and Czech President Milos Zeman.

This photo is from a CNN article [<--clicky clicky] 

Just a small blurb:

• As CEFC China Energy thrived, Ye traveled the world on his private Airbus glad-handing leaders, including President Erdogan of Turkey, the former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, the prime minister of Kazakhstan, and Alan Greenspan, the former US Federal Reserve chairman.

  With better political connections came bigger international deals. In 2016, for example, CEFC China Energy established trade deals in Georgia and reached a $680 million agreement -- which has since fallen through -- with a Kazakh state oil and gas firm. The next year, it spent $900 million on a stake in a huge oil field majority-owned by Abu Dhabi National Oil Co.

They forgot to mention "Hunter and Joe" there, but it's CNN. What did you expect?

Oh look, there's Romania on that map. One of the countries that the Biden family was raking in money... https://nypost.com/2023/05/10/comer-shows-bidens-got-1m-from-convicted-romanian-businessman/

• Hunter Biden’s association with Romanian businessman Gabriel Popoviciu is one of the Biden family’s lesser-known engagements with dodgy associates in countries where Joe Biden held sway as vice president.

• In a 36-page memo Wednesday morning, the House committee cited subpoenaed bank records to describe how $3 million allegedly was transferred from Popoviciu’s Bladon Enterprises to Robinson Walker LLC — controlled by Hunter’s business partner Rob Walker — between November 2015 and May 2017.

  Of the $3 million, the memo says roughly one-third — $1,038,627.08 — was transferred to bank accounts belonging to Hunter Biden, first daughter-in-law Hallie Biden, and an unnamed Biden family member. 

  The Romanian distribution mirrors a similar division of a roughly $3 million in early 2017 from Chinese firm CEFC China Energy [Ye Jianming's company - he's Hunter's business associate], about a third of which was shared among Hunter, Hallie, first brother James Biden and an unidentified Biden, according to an Oversight Committee memo from March.

Going back to the original article from up top:

• Ye’s empire began to crumble on November 18, 2017. On that day, FBI agents arrested Patrick Ho Chi-ping, the man Ye had employed to lead his NGO. Ho was charged with money laundering and violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. He is accused of offering $3 million in bribes to the President of Chad, Idriss Deby, and Sam Kutesa, the Ugandan minister of foreign affairs and then president of the United Nations General Assembly. The alleged bribes were made on behalf of a Shanghai-based energy company, which is not explicitly named in the court documents.

Who was the president on Nov 18 2017, back when Trump was doing nothing, Grooty Wooty? 

If we're being honest, are there any names missing on that list of people who received bribes?

Are we done here?

not done here. who are the people who are missing on the list of people who received bribes? where is the evidence that they were provided money for specific policy favours that were indeed delivered?

this kind of money gets sprayed around everywhere. its not illegal. it probably should be.

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, godzilla said:

why won't you address this. what part of your mind is just a black hole that you refuse to see it.

he falsified business transactions to hide the payments from the IRS so that he wouldn't have to pay taxes on that money. this is what he's getting charged with.

there are other charges related to campaign stuff... but the business transactions are locked in. he and his lawyers have not even attempted to explain this.

Get your stories straight.

Rebound said that Trump paid her for sex, which made the offer of an NDA an attempt to cover up a crime. 

Which is it? 

Why don't you guys get your story straight and then I'll deal with one of you. 

[godzilla]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Get your stories straight.

Rebound said that Trump paid her for sex, which made the offer of an NDA an attempt to cover up a crime. 

Which is it? 

Why don't you guys get your story straight and then I'll deal with one of you. 

yeah sorry. didn't see that.

he falsified his business records.

care to address?

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, godzilla said:

not done here. who are the people who are missing on the list of people who received bribes? where is the evidence that they were provided money for specific policy favours that were indeed delivered?

this kind of money gets sprayed around everywhere. its not illegal. it probably should be.

Gimme a break, dude.

You were trying to make the case that China was eating America's lunch when Trump was POTUS and he did nothing, and I PROVED that what he did was the opposite of nothing. CEFC was skewered when Trump was president. 

Did the Bidens cry when CEFC cracked? Did they hold a candlelight vigil for their buddy Ye Jianming when he ended up in the hoosegow? 

Dude, THE BIDEN FAMILY WAS PARTNERS WITH THE GUY WHO WAS AT THE TIP OF THE SPEAR OF CHINA'S ONE BELT ONE ROAD INITIATIVE. 

That's it. Case closed. 

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, godzilla said:

yeah sorry. didn't see that.

he falsified his business records.

care to address?

Ok:

• Trump tried to write off payments to a hooker
• the Biden family was making millions, maybe tens of millions, from their partnership with the Chinese gov't's geopolitical powerhouse that was consolidating power in Europe and Africa. 
• Trump skewered the Biden family's business associate when he became president

Is that pretty fair for a quick summary of this thread?

Does it make sense that trump is being charged with 34 felonies while Biden is stuttering and stammering in the WH?

Edited February 17, 2024 by WestCanMan

[godzilla]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Ok:

• Trump tried to write off payments to a hooker
• the Biden family was making millions, maybe tens of millions, from their partnership with the Chinese gov't's geopolitical powerhouse that was consolidating power in Europe and Africa. 
• Trump skewered the Biden family's business associate when he became president

Is that pretty fair for a quick summary of this thread?

Does it make sense that trump is being charged with 34 felonies while Biden is stuttering and stammering in the WH?

so Trump is guilty of a crime. glad we agree.

Biden may be guilty of a crime too... to be determined. we also agree.

Edited February 17, 2024 by godzilla

[WestCanMan]

Just now, godzilla said:

sorry, i don't understand.

did Trump falsify business records? maybe just say the he did or didn't so that stupid people like me understand perfectly.

Call it what you want. He says he paid his lawyer. Hillary paid her lawyer to bring lies to the FBI and pretend that he wasn't in her employ, he was just a concerned citizen. Which is worse?

End of the day:

• Trump tried to write off payments to a hooker
• the Biden family was making millions, maybe tens of millions, from their partnership with the Chinese gov't's geopolitical powerhouse that was consolidating power in Europe and Africa. 
• Trump skewered the Biden family's business associate when he became president

 

[godzilla]

42 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Call it what you want. He says he paid his lawyer. Hillary paid her lawyer to bring lies to the FBI and pretend that he wasn't in her employ, he was just a concerned citizen. Which is worse?

End of the day:

• Trump tried to write off payments to a hooker
• the Biden family was making millions, maybe tens of millions, from their partnership with the Chinese gov't's geopolitical powerhouse that was consolidating power in Europe and Africa. 
• Trump skewered the Biden family's business associate when he became president

 

sorry i edited my last response. i think we are in agreement.

Trump has been charged of a crime that there is sufficient information to imply that he may be guilty.

Joe Bidens family may have enjoyed millions in lobby money with the impeachment inquiry so far not able to provide evidence that Joe Biden has benefited from or provided specific policy to support but that its a bad idea to let family members of public officials do this sort of stuff anyways. if such evidence is presented then he should be impeached and criminally charged.

Edited February 17, 2024 by godzilla

[Rebound]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Call it what you want. He says he paid his lawyer. Hillary paid her lawyer to bring lies to the FBI and pretend that he wasn't in her employ, he was just a concerned citizen. Which is worse?

End of the day:

• Trump tried to write off payments to a hooker
• the Biden family was making millions, maybe tens of millions, from their partnership with the Chinese gov't's geopolitical powerhouse that was consolidating power in Europe and Africa. 
• Trump skewered the Biden family's business associate when he became president

 

Since your skull is about one foot thick, I will make this simple for you:

It does not matter what Biden did.  Trump broke laws, Trump goes on trial for it.  Biden can shoot fifty people in cold blood; that won’t get Trump off the hook.  
 

If you get a speeding ticket, you can shout “Clinton!” all you want; you still get the ticket. 

Edited February 17, 2024 by Rebound

[herbie]

19 minutes ago, godzilla said:

Trump has been convicted of a crime that there is sufficient information to imply that he may be guilty.

No.

If you are convicted of a crime you are guilty  !
The meaning of convicted does not change because your name is Trump. Just like how if you got nailed $85 million for a sexual assault you are a rapist.

[godzilla]

18 minutes ago, herbie said:

No.

If you are convicted of a crime you are guilty  !
The meaning of convicted does not change because your name is Trump. Just like how if you got nailed $85 million for a sexual assault you are a rapist.

i should have said "charged". my bad. i've edited.

Sexual assault

"Sexual assault is an act in which one intentionally sexually touches another person without that person's consent, or coerces or physically forces a person to engage in a sexual act against their will.^"

i guess this includes grabbing women by their genitals.

but no, you are not necessarily a rapist if you were convicted of sexual assault and fined $85 million dollars. and thus a pretty decent candidate for president of the united states to some.

Edited February 17, 2024 by godzilla

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Since your skull is about one foot thick, I will make this simple for you:

It does not matter what Biden did.  Trump broke laws, Trump goes on trial for it.  Biden can shoot fifty people in cold blood; that won’t get Trump off the hook.  
 

If you get a speeding ticket, you can shout “Clinton!” all you want; you still get the ticket. 

Here's the thing, stupid.

This thread isn't about whether or not Trump can get away with saying that he was just paying his lawyer's fee. I never said it was.

It's not about whether or not the Bidens will be found guilty.

It's about what people topics care about, and how much.

Leftards are thoroughly outraged that Trump tried to write of some NDA payments, correct? You guys are acting like it's  a huge deal.

What you don't seem to care about is the fact that the Bidens were receiving money hand over fist from the Chinese gov't's agents. 

I just want hear your opinion. What's worse, trying to write off NDA payments or partnering up with the leader of China's One Belt One Road initiative? 

If someone could potentially end up getting the death penalty for one of those things, which one would it be? 

Is it possible that you could write off so much booty that you got the death penalty? 

Is it possible that the Bidens' involvement with the Chinese gov't's top geopolitical agent would rise to the level of treason?

The Bidens received several millions of dollars from their dealings with Ye Jianming. That's a full 50% of the evidence that you need to indict someone on a treason charge right there. Joe Biden was busy working for the US gov't in the same countries that Ye Jianming was working for the Chinese gov't in. What did Joe Biden DO for/with Ye Jianming?

All of a sudden Joe's adamant denials of knowledge and association with Hunter's business partners makes a LOT of sense. It could be the difference between treason and plausible deniability. 

[godzilla]

30 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Here's the thing, stupid.

This thread isn't about whether or not Trump can get away with saying that he was just paying his lawyer's fee. I never said it was.

It's not about whether or not the Bidens will be found guilty.

It's about what people topics care about, and how much.

Leftards are thoroughly outraged that Trump tried to write of some NDA payments, correct? You guys are acting like it's  a huge deal.

What you don't seem to care about is the fact that the Bidens were receiving money hand over fist from the Chinese gov't's agents. 

I just want hear your opinion. What's worse, trying to write off NDA payments or partnering up with the leader of China's One Belt One Road initiative? 

If someone could potentially end up getting the death penalty for one of those things, which one would it be? 

Is it possible that you could write off so much booty that you got the death penalty? 

Is it possible that the Bidens' involvement with the Chinese gov't's top geopolitical agent would rise to the level of treason?

The Bidens received several millions of dollars from their dealings with Ye Jianming. That's a full 50% of the evidence that you need to indict someone on a treason charge right there. Joe Biden was busy working for the US gov't in the same countries that Ye Jianming was working for the Chinese gov't in. What did Joe Biden DO for/with Ye Jianming?

All of a sudden Joe's adamant denials of knowledge and association with Hunter's business partners makes a LOT of sense. It could be the difference between treason and plausible deniability. 

its all bad and it should be stopped. there is no "one is worse than the other" and so we need to pick the least worse.

except that none of it has been tied to Joe Biden... the one running for president. just as Kushner may have benefited in the same manner but none of it is tied directly to Donald Trump.

Jared Kushner defends controversial $2bn Saudi investment

"The House Oversight Committee Chairman, Kentucky Republican James Comer, said he believes Kushner “crossed the line of ethics” by accepting the investment from Saudi Arabia.^"

i don't about you... but i'd way rather be Jared then nickle and dime Hunter. although it must have been tough for Jared when his father went to jail for corruption.

what is tied to Trump is his own personal criminal acts. which may include an attempt to prevent the transfer of power of the most powerful state on the planet.

both parties need to commit to draining the swamp.

Edited February 17, 2024 by godzilla

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Get your stories straight.

Rebound said that Trump paid her for sex, which made the offer of an NDA an attempt to cover up a crime. 

Which is it? 

Why don't you guys get your story straight and then I'll deal with one of you. 

I did not say that. 
I did paste in a graphic from the DA’s office outlining the charges, which are 34 felony counts of falsifying business records.  

[Caswell Thomas]

22 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Who cares if Trump said it or Satan himself said it? It was 100.000% true, that's all that matters.

• In the places where Joe Biden was busy with his duties as VP, the Biden family was making off like bandits. 

Do you doubt that? What's your problem here? You just don't like that quote because Trump said it?

This is an adult forum, caswell. Say adult things.

If you give the devil his due, and then you will have more credibility the next time you have something important to say. 

If you wanna just keep running your mouth every time you hear the word "Trump", no one's gonna take you seriously, aside from maybe ass-to-mouth guys Rebound, robo and Hodad. 

No, its not whether or not I  " like it". , its not true in the first place.  

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

@I am Groot

When Obama was POTUS his VP's family was working closely with China's one belt one road initiative. Ye Jianming was Hunter's business partner and there's no discussion of one belt one road without his name all over it.

^^That's^^ Hunter's business associate - Ye Jianming - on the left with Xi Jinping, the President of China and Czech President Milos Zeman.

This photo is from a CNN article [<--clicky clicky] 

Just a small blurb:

• As CEFC China Energy thrived, Ye traveled the world on his private Airbus glad-handing leaders, including President Erdogan of Turkey, the former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, the prime minister of Kazakhstan, and Alan Greenspan, the former US Federal Reserve chairman.

  With better political connections came bigger international deals. In 2016, for example, CEFC China Energy established trade deals in Georgia and reached a $680 million agreement -- which has since fallen through -- with a Kazakh state oil and gas firm. The next year, it spent $900 million on a stake in a huge oil field majority-owned by Abu Dhabi National Oil Co.

They forgot to mention "Hunter and Joe" there, but it's CNN. What did you expect?

Oh look, there's Romania on that map. One of the countries that the Biden family was raking in money... https://nypost.com/2023/05/10/comer-shows-bidens-got-1m-from-convicted-romanian-businessman/

• Hunter Biden’s association with Romanian businessman Gabriel Popoviciu is one of the Biden family’s lesser-known engagements with dodgy associates in countries where Joe Biden held sway as vice president.

• In a 36-page memo Wednesday morning, the House committee cited subpoenaed bank records to describe how $3 million allegedly was transferred from Popoviciu’s Bladon Enterprises to Robinson Walker LLC — controlled by Hunter’s business partner Rob Walker — between November 2015 and May 2017.

  Of the $3 million, the memo says roughly one-third — $1,038,627.08 — was transferred to bank accounts belonging to Hunter Biden, first daughter-in-law Hallie Biden, and an unnamed Biden family member. 

  The Romanian distribution mirrors a similar division of a roughly $3 million in early 2017 from Chinese firm CEFC China Energy [Ye Jianming's company - he's Hunter's business associate], about a third of which was shared among Hunter, Hallie, first brother James Biden and an unidentified Biden, according to an Oversight Committee memo from March.

Going back to the original article from up top:

• Ye’s empire began to crumble on November 18, 2017. On that day, FBI agents arrested Patrick Ho Chi-ping, the man Ye had employed to lead his NGO. Ho was charged with money laundering and violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. He is accused of offering $3 million in bribes to the President of Chad, Idriss Deby, and Sam Kutesa, the Ugandan minister of foreign affairs and then president of the United Nations General Assembly. The alleged bribes were made on behalf of a Shanghai-based energy company, which is not explicitly named in the court documents.

Who was the president on Nov 18 2017, back when Trump was doing nothing, Grooty Wooty? 

If we're being honest, are there any names missing on that list of people who received bribes?

Are we done here?

Well, you've convinced me that Hunter Biden shouldn't be president. Grats on that.

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Ok, so you started off talking like an adult, making sense, and everything was legit... then you said this:

That was a blatant lie, Groot. Literally everything that you said just went down the toilet.

1. Don't forget, the Demis were lying about how secure the border was until just a short while ago, when they suddenly admitted that it's a crisis

2. The Dems' current bill isn't "an enhanced border security bill" it's a white elephant. The amount of money that's in there for bureaucracy is atrocious, and they're still intent on just releasing everyone into Texas while awaiting their hearing, which isn't going to fly. 

The bill includes a lot of money for more Border Patrol agents, more security systems along the border, like cameras, drones, etc., and more detention facilities so they don't have to just release people out into the states. There's also money for more immigration judges and facilities to speed up the hearings for those claiming asylum so they don't take years to get to. None of this is bad! Even if it's not 100% perfect it's a great improvement over what they have.

There's also changes to laws enabling the president to LEGALLY close the border. Again, not a bad thing! 

 

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The deficit stayed on the same trajectory that it was on under Obama until the pandemic started. 

You're telling me Trump was no better than Obama at managing the deficit?! And this is a reason to re-elect him!?

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I can't even believe that you were clueless enough to bring this up.

Is this an actual Demi talking point or did you just go off-script? I'll give you some kudos if you actually tried to think for yourself, but...

But a picture of some diplomatic meeting doesn't mean anything, you know. Nor their belt and road diagram.

Here's a map for you.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/tools/TLA2045-3.html

 

[herbie]

6 hours ago, godzilla said:

but no, you are not necessarily a rapist if you were convicted of sexual assault and fined $85 million dollars. and thus a pretty decent candidate for president of the united states to some.

Yes you are. Judge said so. Lawyers will say so. Or is there "lesser" forms of sexual assault? In his case she did not consent... that makes it rape.

[godzilla]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Yes you are. Judge said so. Lawyers will say so. Or is there "lesser" forms of sexual assault? In his case she did not consent... that makes it rape.

just using the Wikipedia definition...

Sexual assault

" It is a form of sexual violence that includes child sexual abuse, groping, rape (forced sexual penetration, no matter how slight), drug facilitated sexual assault, and the torture of the person in a sexual manner."

Rape

"Rape is a type of sexual assault involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without their consent."

now that i look further at it... Trump was held liable for sexual abuse.

Sexual abuse

"Sexual abuse or sex abuse, also referred to as molestation, is abusive sexual behavior by one person upon another."

but gee... didn't know he had such a huge rap sheet for those kind of allegations!

Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, godzilla said:

its all bad and it should be stopped. there is no "one is worse than the other" and so we need to pick the least worse.

One is way worse than the other. Stop playing stupid.

A guy tried to write off something that he shouldn't have, it's a garden-variety 'crime'. The fact that there was a porn star involved makes it titillating but, whatever.

China is the USA's main geopolitical foe right now. The US was clearly the #1 country on the planet ten years ago and China is #1 right now. The VP's son just made millions from the Communist Party of China, the Bidens tried to hide it, Joe lied about it, it's close to treason. 

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except that none of it has been tied to Joe Biden... the one running for president. 

It has been tied to Joe. He said that he had no knowledge about Hunter's businesses, he said that Hunter never made any money wth China, he said that he never associated with Hunter's business associates.

1. Joe was caught lying about his knowledge of Hunter's businesses, he was quite involved
2. Joe was caught lying about how much money Hunter and the Bidens made with the Chinese gov't
3. Joe was caught lying about his meetings with Hunter's business associates.

Joe knew how important it was to not get caught, but he was. 

Ukraine was bad. Much worse than what Trump was involved in.

Romania and China were borderline treason. 

[robosmith]

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There were no crimes there. Stop BSing you whiny little baby. 

Trump banged a chick, then he gave her money to keep her trap shut. End of story.

If that's a felony then there aren't enough jails in the US.

Nope, NOT "end of story," and you saying that doesn't make it true.

In REALITY, Trump paid the bill, booked as "legal expenses," from the Trump Org accounts.

That is the business fraud he's being charged with.

Try reading the indictment for once.