Hush Money to a Porn Star vs Shell Companies to Funnel Money From China to the Bidens

[WestCanMan]

Donald Trump is up on 34 felony counts of paying a few hundred K in hush money to keep his affair with a porn star secret.

Joe Biden and the Biden family created over 20 Shell companies to funnel over $20 million out of Ukraine, China and Romania.

Each one of Trump's charges could lead to up to 25 years in jail.

The Bidens aren't facing any criminal charges and leftists say that it's all smoke and mirrors.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/how-the-biden-family-used-shell-companies-to-enrich-themselves/ar-AA1b0YIR

• Members of the Biden family and their business associates raked in millions of dollars from foreign entities during and after Joe Biden’s time as vice president, using nearly two dozen companies and taking advantage of a vast network of sketchy business associates.

  The now-first family, their associates, and the companies took in at least $10 million just from firms run by Chinese and Romanian nationals through various deals struck by first son Hunter Biden, according to records subpoenaed from four separate banks by the Republican-led House Oversight Committee.

•  

  other information suggests the Bidens earned tens of millions of dollars more than that.
• Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) identified nine Biden family members known to have benefited: Hunter; first brother James Biden; his wife Sara; first daughter-in-law Hallie Biden, the widow of Joe Biden’s son Beau; Hunter’s ex-wife Kathleen Buhle; his current wife Melissa Cohen; and “three children of the president’s son and the president’s brother.”

Why did the Bidens need to start 20 shell companies, and why were tens of millions of dollars flowing from these foreign countries through these shell companies to so many different family members? 

Why did the Bidens start working with the CEFC energy company, knowing that they're so closely linked to the Communist Party of China?

From CNN:  

• Ye’s company, CEFC China Energy, aligned itself so closely with the Chinese government that it was often hard to distinguish between the two.

Joe Biden - who was quite adamant that he never dealt with any of Hunter's overseas business partners - actually met the CEO of CEFC while he was VP. Hunter began his association with CEFC while Joe was VPOTUS.

• President Biden met with [Ye Jianming] the chairman of the Chinese energy firm Hunter Biden sought to create a joint venture with at the Four Seasons in Washington D.C. in 2017 
• The House Oversight Committee told Fox News Digital that it can "now confirm Joe Biden met with nearly every foreign national who funneled money to his son, including Russian oligarch Yelena Baturina, Romanian oligarch Kenes Rakishev, Burisma’s corporate secretary Vadym Pozharsky, Jonathan Li of BHR, and CEFC Chairman Ye Jianming."

Not only did Joe Biden pretend that he never met Hunter's associates/didn't know what Hunter was doing, he said that Hunter never made any money from China 🤣.

Trump was 100% correct in everything he accused Joe of during the debate, and the moderator shut Trump down, cold. 

1. How many lies did Biden tell about "not knowing", "not meeting Hunter's associates", "Hunter not making money in China"?
2. If it was all on the up and up, why was it important enough to lie about so often? 
3. How many millions of dollars did the Bidens actually make overseas?
4. why did they have so many shell companies?
5. why were so many Biden family members getting paid when they weren't even working for those companies?
6. Most importantly, DID MORE THAN 30 DROPLETS OF RAIN FALL? 🤣 [that question was for you @robosmith @Hodad]

 

So, is it true that Trump paid $300K to keep his affair with Stormy secret while the Bidens were raking in $20 Million through shell companies from China, Romania, Ukraine etc? 

Man, I sure hope that they make Trump pay. His crime is the epitome of selling out your country to foreign interests 🤣

Edited February 16, 2024 by WestCanMan

[I am Groot]

And, of course, it was just coincidence that Trump's son in law, who acted as a White House aide, negotiating deals in the middle east in particular, got a $2 billion contract from the Saudis after leaving office. Trump himself registered eight numbered companies in Saudi Arabia during his campaign

Then there are the tens of millions spent at Trump properties by countries and companies who realized that they could curry favor with trump by doing so. Not to mention Trump ensured he visited his properties regularly, bringing tons of staff and secret service with him. He spent almost one in every three days as president at one of his own properties, charging the government through the nose. There's his shady charity that didn't give any money to charity. His shady university that was shut down. The run down mansion he sold to the Russians for almost a hundred million, the shady and mysterious deal in Azerbaijan with shady people associated with Russia and Iran, and his tax fraud in New York.

But the concerning thing about Trump is that he said in his book that he was broke, that when he and Ivanka passed a bum on the street he said to her that bum is millions of dollars better off than he is. Then suddenly he's not. And his son Don said Russian and eastern Europe money saved them. Where did that money come from exactly? Given Trump's history of shady dealings (he mentioned dealing with the mob as a realtor in New York) it's not exactly inconceivable that he took money from people he shouldn't have and wound up being involved in both money laundering and sanctions busting. And if he did, and the odds are good, then Putin knows about it and has him by the balls.

And the only evidence for that is circumstantial - and the deferential, even obsequious way he acts to and around Putin.

[Hodad]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Donald Trump is up on 34 felony counts of paying a few hundred K in hush money to keep his affair with a porn star secret.

Joe Biden and the Biden family created over 20 Shell companies to funnel over $20 million out of Ukraine, China and Romania.

Each one of Trump's charges could lead to up to 25 years in jail.

The Bidens aren't facing any criminal charges and leftists say that it's all smoke and mirrors.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/how-the-biden-family-used-shell-companies-to-enrich-themselves/ar-AA1b0YIR

• Members of the Biden family and their business associates raked in millions of dollars from foreign entities during and after Joe Biden’s time as vice president, using nearly two dozen companies and taking advantage of a vast network of sketchy business associates.

  The now-first family, their associates, and the companies took in at least $10 million just from firms run by Chinese and Romanian nationals through various deals struck by first son Hunter Biden, according to records subpoenaed from four separate banks by the Republican-led House Oversight Committee.

•  

  other information suggests the Bidens earned tens of millions of dollars more than that.
• Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) identified nine Biden family members known to have benefited: Hunter; first brother James Biden; his wife Sara; first daughter-in-law Hallie Biden, the widow of Joe Biden’s son Beau; Hunter’s ex-wife Kathleen Buhle; his current wife Melissa Cohen; and “three children of the president’s son and the president’s brother.”

Why did the Bidens need to start 20 shell companies, and why were tens of millions of dollars flowing from these foreign countries through these shell companies to so many different family members? 

Why did the Bidens start working with the CEFC energy company, knowing that they're so closely linked to the Communist Party of China?

From CNN:  

• Ye’s company, CEFC China Energy, aligned itself so closely with the Chinese government that it was often hard to distinguish between the two.

Joe Biden - who was quite adamant that he never dealt with any of Hunter's overseas business partners - actually met the CEO of CEFC while he was VP. Hunter began his association with CEFC while Joe was VPOTUS.

• President Biden met with [Ye Jianming] the chairman of the Chinese energy firm Hunter Biden sought to create a joint venture with at the Four Seasons in Washington D.C. in 2017 
• The House Oversight Committee told Fox News Digital that it can "now confirm Joe Biden met with nearly every foreign national who funneled money to his son, including Russian oligarch Yelena Baturina, Romanian oligarch Kenes Rakishev, Burisma’s corporate secretary Vadym Pozharsky, Jonathan Li of BHR, and CEFC Chairman Ye Jianming."

Not only did Joe Biden pretend that he never met Hunter's associates/didn't know what Hunter was doing, he said that Hunter never made any money from China 🤣.

Trump was 100% correct in everything he accused Joe of during the debate, and the moderator shut Trump down, cold. 

1. How many lies did Biden tell about "not knowing", "not meeting Hunter's associates", "Hunter not making money in China"?
2. If it was all on the up and up, why was it important enough to lie about so often? 
3. How many millions of dollars did the Bidens actually make overseas?
4. why did they have so many shell companies?
5. why were so many Biden family members getting paid when they weren't even working for those companies?
6. Most importantly, DID MORE THAN 30 DROPLETS OF RAIN FALL? 🤣 [that question was for you @robosmith @Hodad]

 

So, is it true that Trump paid $300K to keep his affair with Stormy secret while the Bidens were raking in $20 Million through shell companies from China, Romania, Ukraine etc? 

Man, I sure hope that they make Trump pay. His crime is the epitome of selling out your country to foreign interests 🤣

Boy, you are a curious little monkey. Maybe if you ask enough leading questions they will add up to a fact? Keep trying!

[WestCanMan]

34 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And, of course, it was just coincidence that Trump's son in law, who acted as a White House aide, negotiating deals in the middle east in particular, got a $2 billion contract from the Saudis after leaving office. Trump himself registered eight numbered companies in Saudi Arabia during his campaign

Then there are the tens of millions spent at Trump properties by countries and companies who realized that they could curry favor with trump by doing so. Not to mention Trump ensured he visited his properties regularly, bringing tons of staff and secret service with him. He spent almost one in every three days as president at one of his own properties, charging the government through the nose. There's his shady charity that didn't give any money to charity. His shady university that was shut down. The run down mansion he sold to the Russians for almost a hundred million, the shady and mysterious deal in Azerbaijan with shady people associated with Russia and Iran, and his tax fraud in New York.

But the concerning thing about Trump is that he said in his book that he was broke, that when he and Ivanka passed a bum on the street he said to her that bum is millions of dollars better off than he is. Then suddenly he's not. And his son Don said Russian and eastern Europe money saved them. Where did that money come from exactly? Given Trump's history of shady dealings (he mentioned dealing with the mob as a realtor in New York) it's not exactly inconceivable that he took money from people he shouldn't have and wound up being involved in both money laundering and sanctions busting. And if he did, and the odds are good, then Putin knows about it and has him by the balls.

And the only evidence for that is circumstantial - and the deferential, even obsequious way he acts to and around Putin.

I haven't had time to click on any of your links yet, so that all just looks like more of the same leftard BS that you're famous for.

Tell me, if Trump really did all that, then why are they trying to convict him for "HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO A PORN STAR! DUN dun duuuuuuuunnnnnn."

This reminds me of the time that they arrested Ted Bundy for unpaid parking tickets and then put him on the electric chair... Do you remember that, Groot? They said it on CNN. You can get the tattoo now. 

Did you notice all the actual evidence against Biden? All the serious lies he told about his knowledge of Hunter's businesses, his involvement with Hunter's associates, whether or not Hunter even made any money there, etc? 

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Boy, you are a curious little monkey. Maybe if you ask enough leading questions they will add up to a fact? Keep trying!

Ohhhh, so there are no facts there now, is that what's bothering you, little Hodad?

You don't see anything in that post about "Lies more serious than the number of droplets of rain in 17 minutes"?

Hold on a sec, I'll get you something more compelling, so that you can really sink your teeth into this...

www.real.link.from.biden.paid.hookers.to.pee.on.some.stuff.com

This Biden-hooker peeing scandal is bigger than Watergate!

OMG, and Biden's biggest scandal yet:

www.biden.might.have.had.sex.with.adult.females.that.aren't.his.direct.descendents.com

There ya go Hodad. Now you can feel the same way about Biden that people who click on real links do. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I haven't had time to click on any of your links yet, so that all just looks like more of the same leftard BS that you're famous for.

Tell me, if Trump really did all that, then why are they trying to convict him for "HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO A PORN STAR! DUN dun duuuuuuuunnnnnn."

This reminds me of the time that they arrested Ted Bundy for unpaid parking tickets and then put him on the electric chair... Do you remember that, Groot? They said it on CNN. You can get the tattoo now. 

Did you notice all the actual evidence against Biden? All the serious lies he told about his knowledge of Hunter's businesses, his involvement with Hunter's associates, whether or not Hunter even made any money there, etc? 

Did you notice that the Republicon Houses' only remaining source has been INDICTED for LYING to the FBI by Weis the special prosecutor investigating Hunter Biden who was appointed BY TRUMP?

FBI source charged for providing false info on Bidens cited by GOP

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GOP lawmakers used him (Smirnov) to claim President Joe Biden is corrupt.

 

Special counsel David Weiss has charged an FBI confidential source who provided derogatory information about President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden to the bureau with felony false statement and obstruction charges.

 

Special counsel David Weiss has charged an FBI confidential source who provided derogatory information about President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden to the bureau with felony false statement and obstruction charges.

Weiss charged Alexander Smirnov, 43, with one count of making a false statement and one count of creating a false and fictitious record related to statements he made to the FBI on a document known as an FBI Form 1023.

Charging documents show Smirnov was a confidential source for the FBI and provided "false derogatory information about [President Biden] and [Hunter Biden] ... in 2020, after [Biden] became a presidential candidate."

Smirnov is the same person that Republicans have called "a highly credible FBI source" and have used to claim Joe Biden is corrupt, according to multiple senior congressional sources.

They (and you) have a HUGE CREDIBILITY PROBLEM. That's what happens when you run with an UNVERIFIED SOURCE DOCUMENT 1023 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Did you notice that the Republicon Houses' only remaining source has been INDICTED for LYING to the FBI by Weis the special prosecutor investigating Hunter Biden who was appointed BY TRUMP?

FBI source charged for providing false info on Bidens cited by GOP

They (and you) have a HUGE CREDIBILITY PROBLEM. That's what happens when you run with an UNVERIFIED SOURCE DOCUMENT 1023 

Wouldn't that be weird if the FBI protected Biden? Oh wait.... It would be as normal as a wet fish. 

Do you think that Biden hasn't lied to the FBI about all this? Of course he has, or will. He has done nothing but lie about all of it, all along.

That's literally all that he has done this whole time is lie about his involvement with the Chinese scam and how much money he got from it. 

[Rebound]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Wouldn't that be weird if the FBI protected Biden? Oh wait.... It would be as normal as a wet fish. 

Do you think that Biden hasn't lied to the FBI about all this? Of course he has, or will. He has done nothing but lie about all of it, all along.

That's literally all that he has done this whole time is lie about his involvement with the Chinese scam and how much money he got from it. 

That’s Sneaky Joe Biden for you!

First he rigs a nation-wide election from his basement, then he gets the Trump appointed Republican FBI Director to, um… not sure WTF you’re talking about.  Biden lied to the FBI in order to get them to protect him? That’s weird. 

[WestCanMan]

25 minutes ago, Rebound said:

That’s Sneaky Joe Biden for you!

First he rigs a nation-wide election from his basement, then he gets the Trump appointed Republican FBI Director to, um… not sure WTF you’re talking about.  Biden lied to the FBI in order to get them to protect him? That’s weird. 

That's the sneaky FBI for you.

They kept their own collusion crime spree going past the mid-terms to hurt the GOP, then Joe was able to lie his face off in the debates because the FBI got the laptop info banned. 

[robosmith]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's the sneaky FBI for you.

They kept their own collusion crime spree going past the mid-terms to hurt the GOP, then Joe was able to lie his face off in the debates because the FBI got the laptop info banned. 

Every news source had the purported and SELECTED laptop info, but the NYP REFUSED to provide the source data, so NO ONE trusted what the NYP said about it.

They were much smarter than you.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Every news source had the purported and SELECTED laptop info, but the NYP REFUSED to provide the source data, so NO ONE trusted what the NYP said about it.

They were much smarter than you.

You're such a God-damned liar it's just incredible that you haven't changed your username yet.

FYI the NYPost was banned from social media because of the FBI and no doubt because Twitter was part of TNI, which is basically a global disinformation network. 

[godzilla]

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Donald Trump is up on 34 felony counts of paying a few hundred K in hush money to keep his affair with a porn star secret.

Joe Biden and the Biden family created over 20 Shell companies to funnel over $20 million out of Ukraine, China and Romania.

Each one of Trump's charges could lead to up to 25 years in jail.

The Bidens aren't facing any criminal charges and leftists say that it's all smoke and mirrors.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/how-the-biden-family-used-shell-companies-to-enrich-themselves/ar-AA1b0YIR

• Members of the Biden family and their business associates raked in millions of dollars from foreign entities during and after Joe Biden’s time as vice president, using nearly two dozen companies and taking advantage of a vast network of sketchy business associates.

  The now-first family, their associates, and the companies took in at least $10 million just from firms run by Chinese and Romanian nationals through various deals struck by first son Hunter Biden, according to records subpoenaed from four separate banks by the Republican-led House Oversight Committee.

•  

  other information suggests the Bidens earned tens of millions of dollars more than that.
• Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) identified nine Biden family members known to have benefited: Hunter; first brother James Biden; his wife Sara; first daughter-in-law Hallie Biden, the widow of Joe Biden’s son Beau; Hunter’s ex-wife Kathleen Buhle; his current wife Melissa Cohen; and “three children of the president’s son and the president’s brother.”

Why did the Bidens need to start 20 shell companies, and why were tens of millions of dollars flowing from these foreign countries through these shell companies to so many different family members? 

Why did the Bidens start working with the CEFC energy company, knowing that they're so closely linked to the Communist Party of China?

From CNN:  

• Ye’s company, CEFC China Energy, aligned itself so closely with the Chinese government that it was often hard to distinguish between the two.

Joe Biden - who was quite adamant that he never dealt with any of Hunter's overseas business partners - actually met the CEO of CEFC while he was VP. Hunter began his association with CEFC while Joe was VPOTUS.

• President Biden met with [Ye Jianming] the chairman of the Chinese energy firm Hunter Biden sought to create a joint venture with at the Four Seasons in Washington D.C. in 2017 
• The House Oversight Committee told Fox News Digital that it can "now confirm Joe Biden met with nearly every foreign national who funneled money to his son, including Russian oligarch Yelena Baturina, Romanian oligarch Kenes Rakishev, Burisma’s corporate secretary Vadym Pozharsky, Jonathan Li of BHR, and CEFC Chairman Ye Jianming."

Not only did Joe Biden pretend that he never met Hunter's associates/didn't know what Hunter was doing, he said that Hunter never made any money from China 🤣.

Trump was 100% correct in everything he accused Joe of during the debate, and the moderator shut Trump down, cold. 

1. How many lies did Biden tell about "not knowing", "not meeting Hunter's associates", "Hunter not making money in China"?
2. If it was all on the up and up, why was it important enough to lie about so often? 
3. How many millions of dollars did the Bidens actually make overseas?
4. why did they have so many shell companies?
5. why were so many Biden family members getting paid when they weren't even working for those companies?
6. Most importantly, DID MORE THAN 30 DROPLETS OF RAIN FALL? 🤣 [that question was for you @robosmith @Hodad]

 

So, is it true that Trump paid $300K to keep his affair with Stormy secret while the Bidens were raking in $20 Million through shell companies from China, Romania, Ukraine etc? 

Man, I sure hope that they make Trump pay. His crime is the epitome of selling out your country to foreign interests 🤣

this might all be true. but  if there is no provable quid pro quo... then there is no crime. and all you're provided is questions. lobbying is legal. Comer and Jordan have to come up with something that would be "beyond a reasonable doubt".

should it be legal? should these activities be illegal? those are all fair questions.

[Caswell Thomas]

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Donald Trump is up on 34 felony counts of paying a few hundred K in hush money to keep his affair with a porn star secret.

Joe Biden and the Biden family created over 20 Shell companies to funnel over $20 million out of Ukraine, China and Romania.

Each one of Trump's charges could lead to up to 25 years in jail.

The Bidens aren't facing any criminal charges and leftists say that it's all smoke and mirrors.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/how-the-biden-family-used-shell-companies-to-enrich-themselves/ar-AA1b0YIR

• Members of the Biden family and their business associates raked in millions of dollars from foreign entities during and after Joe Biden’s time as vice president, using nearly two dozen companies and taking advantage of a vast network of sketchy business associates.

  The now-first family, their associates, and the companies took in at least $10 million just from firms run by Chinese and Romanian nationals through various deals struck by first son Hunter Biden, according to records subpoenaed from four separate banks by the Republican-led House Oversight Committee.

•  

  other information suggests the Bidens earned tens of millions of dollars more than that.
• Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) identified nine Biden family members known to have benefited: Hunter; first brother James Biden; his wife Sara; first daughter-in-law Hallie Biden, the widow of Joe Biden’s son Beau; Hunter’s ex-wife Kathleen Buhle; his current wife Melissa Cohen; and “three children of the president’s son and the president’s brother.”

Why did the Bidens need to start 20 shell companies, and why were tens of millions of dollars flowing from these foreign countries through these shell companies to so many different family members? 

Why did the Bidens start working with the CEFC energy company, knowing that they're so closely linked to the Communist Party of China?

From CNN:  

• Ye’s company, CEFC China Energy, aligned itself so closely with the Chinese government that it was often hard to distinguish between the two.

Joe Biden - who was quite adamant that he never dealt with any of Hunter's overseas business partners - actually met the CEO of CEFC while he was VP. Hunter began his association with CEFC while Joe was VPOTUS.

• President Biden met with [Ye Jianming] the chairman of the Chinese energy firm Hunter Biden sought to create a joint venture with at the Four Seasons in Washington D.C. in 2017 
• The House Oversight Committee told Fox News Digital that it can "now confirm Joe Biden met with nearly every foreign national who funneled money to his son, including Russian oligarch Yelena Baturina, Romanian oligarch Kenes Rakishev, Burisma’s corporate secretary Vadym Pozharsky, Jonathan Li of BHR, and CEFC Chairman Ye Jianming."

Not only did Joe Biden pretend that he never met Hunter's associates/didn't know what Hunter was doing, he said that Hunter never made any money from China 🤣.

Trump was 100% correct in everything he accused Joe of during the debate, and the moderator shut Trump down, cold. 

1. How many lies did Biden tell about "not knowing", "not meeting Hunter's associates", "Hunter not making money in China"?
2. If it was all on the up and up, why was it important enough to lie about so often? 
3. How many millions of dollars did the Bidens actually make overseas?
4. why did they have so many shell companies?
5. why were so many Biden family members getting paid when they weren't even working for those companies?
6. Most importantly, DID MORE THAN 30 DROPLETS OF RAIN FALL? 🤣 [that question was for you @robosmith @Hodad]

 

So, is it true that Trump paid $300K to keep his affair with Stormy secret while the Bidens were raking in $20 Million through shell companies from China, Romania, Ukraine etc? 

Man, I sure hope that they make Trump pay. His crime is the epitome of selling out your country to foreign interests 🤣

.. quoting you....." other information suggests....".  i.e.  you made it all up.

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, godzilla said:

this might all be true. but  if there is no provable quid pro quo... then there is no crime. and all you're provided is questions. lobbying is legal. Comer and Jordan have to come up with something that would be "beyond a reasonable doubt".

should it be legal? should these activities be illegal? those are all fair questions.

Influence peddling is illegal, maybe even treasonous. 

If it's determined that the Bidens, especially Joe, received money from Chinese nationals like Ye Jianming, who are such a central part of Chinese geopolitical campaigns like the one belt - one road initiative, then there has to be a reason for it. 

The claim that's being made - that Hunter's only value was helping foreigners gain access to his father - goes straight to influence peddling/treason. 

If US interests aren't harmed and Chinese gov't interests aren't helped by any of Joe Biden's actions then it's a simple case of influence peddling, which is still a big deal. If Joe took money for helping the Chinese gov't in any way whatsoever, which didn't benefit the US to a far greater extent, then Joe's up shit creek without a paddle. That's treason. 

Even if Joe did that for an ally, like Canada, France, or Britain, it would still be treasonous, he just might get away with a lesser charge. Aiding America's main geopolitical foe could get him the death penalty. 

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Caswell Thomas said:

.. quoting you....." other information suggests....".  i.e.  you made it all up.

That's not my quote, that came from the linked source.

All that means is that "in addition to the $10M from China and Romania" (which came from 4 banks that were subpoenaed)  "other information suggests that the Bidens also made tens of millions more than that".

The last part might be referencing even more money coming from China and Romania, but for sure there was also money coming from Ukraine. It's not specific, and I'm not guessing.

If you watch the video about Biden lying, you'll see there's a part where Trump is debating him, and The Don says that "The Bidens were Hoovering up money from all the countries where Joe was active in his duties as the VP", but the moderator jumps down Trump's throat right away. 

[I am Groot]

On 2/16/2024 at 10:42 AM, WestCanMan said:

Did you notice all the actual evidence against Biden? All the serious lies he told about his knowledge of Hunter's businesses, his involvement with Hunter's associates, whether or not Hunter even made any money there, etc? 

So what? I Don't care if Biden is corrupt or not. He almost certainly is. So is every other long-term congressman and senator. 

I don't ultimately care that Trump is corrupt. The US has had lots of corrupt presidents before. I don't care whether he insults people and is or is not a racist. The US has had lots of racist presidents before. 

What I care about is he's dumb. He knows nothing about anything but thinks he does and fires anyone who contradicts him. The guy is a very good salesman. I'll give him that. But as a businessman or father or leader of any kind he's a disaster.

Edited February 17, 2024 by I am Groot

[Caswell Thomas]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's not my quote, that came from the linked source.

All that means is that "in addition to the $10M from China and Romania" (which came from 4 banks that were subpoenaed)  "other information suggests that the Bidens also made tens of millions more than that".

The last part might be referencing even more money coming from China and Romania, but for sure there was also money coming from Ukraine. It's not specific, and I'm not guessing.

If you watch the video about Biden lying, you'll see there's a part where Trump is debating him, and The Don says that "The Bidens were Hoovering up money from all the countries where Joe was active in his duties as the VP", but the moderator jumps down Trump's throat right away. 

Trump SAYS is not TRUTH SAYS. You seem to have a problem similar to Trump in distinguishing between Colossal Ego Falsehoods and Truth.

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

So what? I Don't care if Biden is corrupt or not. He almost certainly is. So is every other long-term congressman and senator. 

I don't ultimately care that Trump is corrupt. The US has had lots of corrupt presidents before. I don't care whether he insults people and is or is not a racist. The US has had lots of racist presidents before. 

Fair is fair I guess....

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What I care is he's dumb. He knows nothing about anything but thinks he does and fires anyone who contradicts him. The guy is a very good salesman. I'll give him that. But as a businessman or father or leader of any kind he's a disaster.

Hmmmm. 

Biden gets a 0/10 for foresight, which is arguably a politician's greatest requirement. His border fiasco is a perfect example. "Walls are bad, I'll cancel walls on day 1!" Now he's building walls. 

You can call it luck or whatever you want, but Trump inherited islamic state and a real war in Afghanistan, he erased IS from the map, and Afghan war casualties were next to nothing in his last 2 years. He even moved ME peace further in 4 years than we saw in the previous 40. 

Honestly try to name something that wasn't good or improving under Trump aside from covid, which was not his fault.

Everything has gone to crap since Biden was inaugurated. Major wars, high inflation, high interest rates, homelessness, violent crime, national hatred, etc. 2017-2019 was so much better than 2012-2023 that it's depressing.  

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Trump SAYS is not TRUTH SAYS. You seem to have a problem similar to Trump in distinguishing between Colossal Ego Falsehoods and Truth.

Who cares if Trump said it or Satan himself said it? It was 100.000% true, that's all that matters.

• In the places where Joe Biden was busy with his duties as VP, the Biden family was making off like bandits. 

Do you doubt that? What's your problem here? You just don't like that quote because Trump said it?

This is an adult forum, caswell. Say adult things.

If you give the devil his due, and then you will have more credibility the next time you have something important to say. 

If you wanna just keep running your mouth every time you hear the word "Trump", no one's gonna take you seriously, aside from maybe ass-to-mouth guys Rebound, robo and Hodad. 

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Fair is fair I guess....

Hmmmm. 

Biden gets a 0/10 for foresight, which is arguably a politician's greatest requirement. His border fiasco is a perfect example. "Walls are bad, I'll cancel walls on day 1!" Now he's building walls. 

I've always been in favour of much higher border security, both down south and on our own borders. I think Biden was just reflecting the current flavor of liberal America and trying to please the left wing of the Democratic party. He's come around now, though, and so has much of the Democratic base (excluding the left). And instead Trump is now against enhanced border security! 

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You can call it luck or whatever you want, but Trump inherited islamic state and a real war in Afghanistan, he erased IS from the map, and Afghan war casualties were next to nothing in his last 2 years. He even moved ME peace further in 4 years than we saw in the previous 40. 

The deficit.

US international power and soft power. Do you know how much of Africa China took control of while Trump couldn't care less?

Law and order also got worse under Trump. Regardless of where the blame lays (and I blame the Democrats at the municipal and state level) Trump did absolutely nothing to stop it. DEI also got worse during his time in office, infesting every public institution, including the federal government. He didn't notice. Too busy in twitter wars with celebrities, I guess. He didn't even mention it and ban the indoctrination sessions for government employees until he was into his re-election campaign.

American's sense of unity and pride in country. This vastly deteriorated during Trump's time in office, as he clearly only saw himself as the leader of half the country and couldn't care less about the other half. I think the main reason Covid was treated by him as 'just the flu' was because it landed on the west coast in democratic states and so he couldn't care less. It wasn't until it started killing people in Republican states that he had to show some concern, but since he doesn't know how to admit he was wrong his efforts were mostly half-assed.

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Everything has gone to crap since Biden was inaugurated. Major wars, high inflation, high interest rates, homelessness, violent crime, national hatred, etc. 2017-2019 was so much better than 2012-2023 that it's depressing.  

High inflation was inevitable given the huge borrowing, and that's what's caused high interest rates and the high cost of houses. The rest is all an apsect of American disunity and stupid liberal virtue signaling. 

Listen, if I was an American and there was almost ANYONE running for office other than Trump I'd absolutely be voting Republican, but this guy is an assclown and his rule was chaotic at best according to virtually every cabinet minister and staffer at the White House. When people like Mike Pence and Bill Barr say that Trump isn't fit for office people should take note.

[Rebound]

On 2/16/2024 at 1:13 AM, WestCanMan said:

Donald Trump is up on 34 felony counts of paying a few hundred K in hush money to keep his affair with a porn star secret.

Joe Biden and the Biden family created over 20 Shell companies to funnel over $20 million out of Ukraine, China and Romania.

Each one of Trump's charges could lead to up to 25 years in jail.

The Bidens aren't facing any criminal charges and leftists say that it's all smoke and mirrors.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/how-the-biden-family-used-shell-companies-to-enrich-themselves/ar-AA1b0YIR

• Members of the Biden family and their business associates raked in millions of dollars from foreign entities during and after Joe Biden’s time as vice president, using nearly two dozen companies and taking advantage of a vast network of sketchy business associates.

  The now-first family, their associates, and the companies took in at least $10 million just from firms run by Chinese and Romanian nationals through various deals struck by first son Hunter Biden, according to records subpoenaed from four separate banks by the Republican-led House Oversight Committee.

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  other information suggests the Bidens earned tens of millions of dollars more than that.
• Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) identified nine Biden family members known to have benefited: Hunter; first brother James Biden; his wife Sara; first daughter-in-law Hallie Biden, the widow of Joe Biden’s son Beau; Hunter’s ex-wife Kathleen Buhle; his current wife Melissa Cohen; and “three children of the president’s son and the president’s brother.”

Why did the Bidens need to start 20 shell companies, and why were tens of millions of dollars flowing from these foreign countries through these shell companies to so many different family members? 

Why did the Bidens start working with the CEFC energy company, knowing that they're so closely linked to the Communist Party of China?

From CNN:  

• Ye’s company, CEFC China Energy, aligned itself so closely with the Chinese government that it was often hard to distinguish between the two.

Joe Biden - who was quite adamant that he never dealt with any of Hunter's overseas business partners - actually met the CEO of CEFC while he was VP. Hunter began his association with CEFC while Joe was VPOTUS.

• President Biden met with [Ye Jianming] the chairman of the Chinese energy firm Hunter Biden sought to create a joint venture with at the Four Seasons in Washington D.C. in 2017 
• The House Oversight Committee told Fox News Digital that it can "now confirm Joe Biden met with nearly every foreign national who funneled money to his son, including Russian oligarch Yelena Baturina, Romanian oligarch Kenes Rakishev, Burisma’s corporate secretary Vadym Pozharsky, Jonathan Li of BHR, and CEFC Chairman Ye Jianming."

Not only did Joe Biden pretend that he never met Hunter's associates/didn't know what Hunter was doing, he said that Hunter never made any money from China 🤣.

Trump was 100% correct in everything he accused Joe of during the debate, and the moderator shut Trump down, cold. 

1. How many lies did Biden tell about "not knowing", "not meeting Hunter's associates", "Hunter not making money in China"?
2. If it was all on the up and up, why was it important enough to lie about so often? 
3. How many millions of dollars did the Bidens actually make overseas?
4. why did they have so many shell companies?
5. why were so many Biden family members getting paid when they weren't even working for those companies?
6. Most importantly, DID MORE THAN 30 DROPLETS OF RAIN FALL? 🤣 [that question was for you @robosmith @Hodad]

 

So, is it true that Trump paid $300K to keep his affair with Stormy secret while the Bidens were raking in $20 Million through shell companies from China, Romania, Ukraine etc? 

Man, I sure hope that they make Trump pay. His crime is the epitome of selling out your country to foreign interests 🤣

It doesn’t work that way.  
When someone commits a crime, they don’t get to stand before a judge and claim that, since somebody else allegedly committed a greater crime, they’re innocent.  
 

Trump committed crimes. Frankly, we all know this. We all know he insults people, he lies, we knew before his first term that he routinely refused to pay contractors, that he defrauded Trump “University” students, that he cheated on his wives, that he was sexually inappropriate with women.  We knew that he promised to released his tax returns, same as every other Presidential candidate since Ford and Carter, then sued to block their release… so it’s no surprise that their release revealed tax and other fraud. We knew he paid off Stormy Daniels and his lawyer went to jail over it.  
 

Everybody knew all this.  And now you’re acting surprised that he’s being prosecuted?  

[godzilla]

54 minutes ago, Rebound said:

It doesn’t work that way.  
When someone commits a crime, they don’t get to stand before a judge and claim that, since somebody else allegedly committed a greater crime, they’re innocent.  
 

Trump committed crimes. Frankly, we all know this. We all know he insults people, he lies, we knew before his first term that he routinely refused to pay contractors, that he defrauded Trump “University” students, that he cheated on his wives, that he was sexually inappropriate with women.  We knew that he promised to released his tax returns, same as every other Presidential candidate since Ford and Carter, then sued to block their release… so it’s no surprise that their release revealed tax and other fraud. We knew he paid off Stormy Daniels and his lawyer went to jail over it.  
 

Everybody knew all this.  And now you’re acting surprised that he’s being prosecuted?  

all of this. there is no logic to Trump supporters thinking. if Biden is guilty then he should bear that responsibility. if Trump is guilty then he should do the same.

its an impossible argument Trump supporters have to defend. and it destroys their mental models that they so feverishly cling to. that the whole system cannot be cleaned up without also cheating. its why MAGA immediately claim that their enemies have bad habits after instantly recognizing that they will be accused of the same. like when Biden gets called a dictator the moment after Trump claims he will be a dictator!

[robosmith]

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're such a God-damned liar it's just incredible that you haven't changed your username yet.

FYI the NYPost was banned from social media because of the FBI and no doubt because Twitter was part of TNI, which is basically a global disinformation network. 

YOU ARE LYING AS USUAL.

Here's what happened when NBC News tried to report on the alleged Hunter Biden emails

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Trump and his allies say there is evidence of corruption in emails and documents allegedly found on a laptop belonging to Democrat Joe Biden’s son. They say those and other documents show that Hunter Biden used his father’s influence to enrich himself through business deals in Ukraine and China, and that his father not only facilitated that, but may have benefited financially.

 

But the Wall Street Journal and Fox News — among the only news organizations that have been given access to key documents — found that the emails and other records don’t make that case. Leaving aside the many questions about their provenance, the materials offered no evidence that Joe Biden played any role in his son’s dealings in China, let alone profited from them, both news organizations concluded.

As to Ukraine, a single email published by the New York Post suggests Joe Biden may have had a meeting with a representative of a Ukrainian company that employed his son. Trump and his allies alleged that means Joe Biden has lied when he said he never discussed his son’s business roles. The Biden campaign denies the meeting happened.

The lack of major new revelations is perhaps the biggest reason the story has not gotten traction, but not the only one. Among others: Most mainstream news organizations, including NBC News, have not been granted access to the documents. NBC News asked by email, text, phone call and certified mail, and was ultimately denied.

 

[robosmith]

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Influence peddling is illegal, maybe even treasonous. 

If it's determined that the Bidens, especially Joe, received money from Chinese nationals like Ye Jianming, who are such a central part of Chinese geopolitical campaigns like the one belt - one road initiative, then there has to be a reason for it. 

The claim that's being made - that Hunter's only value was helping foreigners gain access to his father - goes straight to influence peddling/treason. 

If US interests aren't harmed and Chinese gov't interests aren't helped by any of Joe Biden's actions then it's a simple case of influence peddling, which is still a big deal. If Joe took money for helping the Chinese gov't in any way whatsoever, which didn't benefit the US to a far greater extent, then Joe's up shit creek without a paddle. That's treason. 

Even if Joe did that for an ally, like Canada, France, or Britain, it would still be treasonous, he just might get away with a lesser charge. Aiding America's main geopolitical foe could get him the death penalty. 

There's a reason you've not supplied ANY EXPERT LEGAL OPINION for ^this.

You're NOT an expert on any kind of law, let alone US LAW, so YOUR OPINION MEANS NOTHING.

Here's a clue for you: the law has changed a lot recently based on precedent of legal decisions regarding political gifts.

Because "influence peddling" is not illegal, a Congressman has introduced a bill to make it illegal.

You see, selling influence is only illegal when that influence delivers a policy favor contrary to US interests. AKA bribery.

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I've always been in favour of much higher border security, both down south and on our own borders. I think Biden was just reflecting the current flavor of liberal America and trying to please the left wing of the Democratic party. He's come around now, though, and so has much of the Democratic base (excluding the left).

Ok, so you started off talking like an adult, making sense, and everything was legit... then you said this:

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And instead Trump is now against enhanced border security! 

That was a blatant lie, Groot. Literally everything that you said just went down the toilet.

1. Don't forget, the Demis were lying about how secure the border was until just a short while ago, when they suddenly admitted that it's a crisis

2. The Dems' current bill isn't "an enhanced border security bill" it's a white elephant. The amount of money that's in there for bureaucracy is atrocious, and they're still intent on just releasing everyone into Texas while awaiting their hearing, which isn't going to fly. 

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The deficit.

The deficit stayed on the same trajectory that it was on under Obama until the pandemic started. 

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US international power and soft power. Do you know how much of Africa China took control of while Trump couldn't care less?

I can't even believe that you were clueless enough to bring this up.

Is this an actual Demi talking point or did you just go off-script? I'll give you some kudos if you actually tried to think for yourself, but...

In case you forgot, China was eating the USA's lunch for years and Trump was the first POTUS to address it.

Go to my second post on the next page...

Edited February 17, 2024 by WestCanMan