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We hear some people say faith alone(sola fide) saves us and no works are necessary. Is this true? Not if you actually read the bible. First the words "faith alone" appear only one place in Scripture (James 2:24) and that is to tell us the exact opposite of solar fide which is,  "...a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. So it seems we dont have to go too far to show thst sola fide is just not true. But it doesnt end there. 

Matthew 7:21 tells us ""Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my heavenly Father.""

Mark 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned. 

Matthew 25: 31-46.

If you're banking on sola fide to save you.....

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18 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I don't need proof, I have faith.

So you have no proof. You may not like or agree with my proof but my faith, which alone won't save me, is based on some evidence. I've challenged people like you before with the idea that they could get me to cease believing in God right now if they could just do one thing. 

For people like you nothing would convince you God exists. That's evidence you aren't a thinking person. You could however make me challenge my belief and abandon it if you could do that one thing. It would directly contradict what I believe and would require me to cease my belief.  That's what thinking people do. 

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27 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

So you have no proof. You may not like or agree with my proof but my faith, which alone won't save me, is based on some evidence. I've challenged people like you before with the idea that they could get me to cease believing in God right now if they could just do one thing. 

No it's not. It's faith.

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For people like you nothing would convince you God exists. That's evidence you aren't a thinking person.

 

That's not true. If God himself came down from the heavens and said what's up I might change my tune.

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You could however make me challenge my belief and abandon it if you could do that one thing. It would directly contradict what I believe and would require me to cease my belief.  That's what thinking people do. 

That's not true because you cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into in the first place.

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16 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

No it's not. It's faith.

It's based on evidence. As I said you don't like or agree but that's irrelevant 

That's not true. If God himself came down from the heavens and said what's up I might change my tune.

Lol "might" the answer is you would write it off to some other cause. Nice try though. 

That's not true because you cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into in the first place.

Prove I didnt reason myself into it. I've told you and others you could do something right now that would absolutely make me cease to believe it God. It would directly contradict the evidence I have for God's existence. It's not. "might" in my case like it is for you. You feel you dont think. 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

It's based on evidence. As I said you don't like or agree but that's irrelevant 

what kind of evidence.

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Lol "might" the answer is you would write it off to some other cause. Nice try though. 

Well I'd have to be sure I wasn't having some kind of psychotic break like every other person who has experienced religious visions.

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Prove I didnt reason myself into it. I've told you and others you could do something right now that would absolutely make me cease to believe it God. It would directly contradict the evidence I have for God's existence. It's not. "might" in my case like it is for you. You feel you dont think. 

What thing is that?

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54 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

what kind of evidence.

Clear evidence as Aquinas pointed out 

Well I'd have to be sure I wasn't having some kind of psychotic break like every other person who has experienced religious visions.

Thanks for making my point 

What thing is that?

Create something from material not presently in existence. Do that and I would be required to cease my belief. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

Clear evidence as Aquinas pointed out 

Not an answer.

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Create something from material not presently in existence. Do that and I would be required to cease my belief. 

So to convince you god doesn't exist we merely have to defy the very laws of the universe. LOL ok sure man.

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Not an answer

First it is an answer but you don't like it and I dont care. Next its clear you don't what Aquinas is. Do some reading. 

So to convince you god doesn't exist we merely have to defy the very laws of the universe. LOL ok sure man.

You can cry and moan but I would be required to abandon my belief if you could do it which means in have reached my belief through reason. You in the other hand don't believe in God because you didn't get pony you prayed for. Not quite the same level. 

 

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1 minute ago, Yakuda said:

First it is an answer but you don't like it and I dont care. Next its clear you don't what Aquinas is. Do some reading. 

I'm familiar with Aquinas and his five dumbass proofs.

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You can cry and moan but I would be required to abandon my belief if you could do it which means in have reached my belief through reason. You in the other hand don't believe in God because you didn't get pony you prayed for. Not quite the same level. 

lol there's nothing reasoned about demanding proof you should know to be impossible.

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6 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I'm familiar with Aquinas and his five dumbass proofs.

lol there's nothing reasoned about demanding proof you should know to be impossible.

But you can't disprove them as evidenced by your calling them "dumb ass"

Is it? The fact is then first "dumbass" proof you cant disprove is Aquinas first cause. If nothing causes itself but we are here, then someone or something had to have created something from material not then presently in existence. Did evolution and science disprove the existence of God? Keep shining it just makes you look all the more pathetic 

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1 hour ago, Yakuda said:

But you can't disprove them as evidenced by your calling them "dumb ass"

Is it? The fact is then first "dumbass" proof you cant disprove is Aquinas first cause. If nothing causes itself but we are here, then someone or something had to have created something from material not then presently in existence. Did evolution and science disprove the existence of God? Keep shining it just makes you look all the more pathetic 

If nothing can be created without a creator then who created god?

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1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

If nothing can be created without a creator then who created god?

I prefer to ask about the morality of the God on offer to see if it is the genocidal twins, Yahweh/Jesus.

Those on the right wing who like that vile God, tend to be lost causes to moral thinking.

A shame to see indoctrination go that deep. 

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On 2/2/2024 at 4:28 PM, French Patriot said:

Where does one find this faith?

If produced by a brain and mind, that brain and mind is doing work, therefore, faith is reliant on works and deeds of our minds, making the question rather foolish. Right?

doesnt matter where you "find" it what matter is faith alone does not save. anyone who believes that is grossly ignorant. 

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1 hour ago, Yakuda said:

doesnt matter where you "find" it what matter is faith alone does not save. anyone who believes that is grossly ignorant. 

So you think you can have faith plus work your way to heaven.  I already pointed out Galatians soundly refutes that idea, which you chose to ignore.  Many verses in Romans and Galatians state clearly salvation is by faith.  One must become a child of God first;  then you can do good works.  Unless one is born again by faith alone, he is not a child of God.  You cannot become a child of God by faith plus works.  That is why Catholicism is dead wrong.  The apostle Paul said in Galatians anyone who adds works to faith is under a curse.  You need to study the Bible and learn the truth.  The Catholic church teaching you need faith plus works before you can be saved is obviously contrary to the Bible.  If you accept the teaching that salvation is by faith plus works, you will never know whether you have done enough works to earn salvation.  Nobody could have the assurance they are saved.  That is also contrary to the Bible. 

How many good works or what kind would be enough to save you?   Nobody knows but that is where that false dogma leads.  That is why Catholics do not have assurance of salvation.  It would be impossible to know if you had to work your way to heaven.   You appear to trust the Church more than God's word, the Bible.

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On 2/2/2024 at 7:39 AM, Yakuda said:

First the words "faith alone" appear only one place in Scripture (James 2:24) and that is to tell us the exact opposite of solar fide which is,

This should answer that once and for all if you are at all paying attention to the Bible.

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The Bible is clear that salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ!

  1. Genesis 15:6: “And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
  2. Habakkuk 2:4: “Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.”
  3. Mark 1:15: “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
  4. Mark 16:16: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
  5. Luke 8:12: “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”
  6. Luke 7:50: “And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
  7. Luke 8:12: “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”
  8. John 1:12: “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
  9. John 3:(14,)15: “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
  10. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
  11. John 3:18: “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
  12. John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
  13. John 5:24: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
  14. John 6:35: “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.”
  15. John 6:40: “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. “
  16. John 6:47: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
  17. John 7:38: “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”
  18. John 8:24: “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
  19. John 11:25: “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:”
  20. John 11:26: “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
  21. John 12:46: “I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.”
  22. John 16:27: “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
  23. John 20:31: “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
  24. Acts 2:21: “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
  25. Acts 5:14: “And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)”
  26. Acts 8:12: “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
  27. Acts 8:13: “Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.”
  28. Acts 8:37 (8:35-38): “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
  29. Acts 10:43: “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
  30. Acts 11:17,18: “Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”
  31. Acts 11:21: “And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.”
  32. Acts 13:39: “And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
  33. Acts 13:48: “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”
  34. Acts 15:7-9: “And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.”
  35. Acts 16:31: “And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
  36. Acts 18:8: “And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.”
  37. Acts 22:16: “And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
  38. Acts 26:18: “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”
  39. Romans 1:16: “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
  40. Romans 1:17: “For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
  41. Romans 3:22a: “Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:”
  42. Romans 3:25: “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
  43. Romans 3:26: “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
  44. Romans 3:28: “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”
  45. Romans 3:30: “Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.”
  46. Romans 4:3: “For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.”
  47. Romans 4:5: “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
  48. Romans 4:9: “Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.”
  49. Romans 4:11: “And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:”
  50. Romans 4:13: “For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.”
  51. Romans 4:16,17: “Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.”
  52. Romans 4:18-22: “Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah’s womb: he staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; and being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.”
  53. Romans 5:1: “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:”
  54. Romans 5:2: “By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”
  55. Romans 4:20-25: “He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; and being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.”
  56. Romans 9:30: “What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.”
  57. Romans 9:32,33: “Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; as it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
  58. Romans 10:4: “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
  59. Romans 10:6a: “But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise…”
  60. Romans 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
  61. Romans 10:10: “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”
  62. Romans 10:11: “For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
  63. Romans 10:13: “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
  64. Romans 10:14-17: “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
  65. Romans 11:20: “Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:”
  66. 1 Corinthians 1:21: “For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”
  67. 1 Corinthians 15:2: “By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.”
  68. 1 Corinthians 15:17: “And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.”
  69. 2 Corinthians 4:4: “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
  70. 2 Corinthians 6:14: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
  71. 2 Corinthians 6:15: “And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?”
  72. Galatians 2:16: “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”
  73. Galatians 2:20: “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.”
  74. Galatians 3:6,7: “Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.”
  75. Galatians 3:8: “And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
  76. Galatians 3:11: “But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.”
  77. Galatians 3:14: “That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
  78. Galatians 3:22: “But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.”
  79. Galatians 3:24: “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”
  80. Galatians 3:26: “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
  81. Galatians 5:5: “For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.”
  82. Ephesians 1:13: “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
  83. Ephesians 1:19: “And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,”
  84. Ephesians 2:8,9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.”
  85. Philippians 3:9: “And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:”
  86. Colossians 1:4,5: “Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, for the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, wherefore ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;”
  87. Colossians 2:12: “Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
  88. 1 Thessalonians 2:13: “For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”
  89. 2 Thessalonians 1:10: “When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.”
  90. 2 Thessalonians 2:12: “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
  91. 1 Timothy 1:16: “Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
  92. 1 Timothy 4:10: “For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
  93. 2 Timothy 3:15: “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”
  94. Hebrews 3:18: “And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?”
  95. Hebrews 4:2: “For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.”
  96. Hebrews 4:3a: “For we which have believed do enter into rest…”
  97. Hebrews 11:7: “By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
  98. Hebrews 11:31: “By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.”
  99. Hebrews 10:38: “Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.”
  100. Hebrews 10:39: “But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.”
  101. Hebrews 11:6: “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
  102. James 2:5: “Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?”
  103. James 2:23: “And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.”
  104. 1 Peter 1:5: “Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.”
  105. 1 Peter 1:9: “Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.”
  106. 1 Peter 1:18-21: “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.”1 Peter 2:6: “Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.”
  107. 1 Peter 2:7: “Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,”
  108. 1 John 5:1a: “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God…”
  109. 1 John 5:4: “For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.”
  110. 1 John 5:5: “Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?”
  111. 1 John 5:10: “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.”
  112. 1 John 5:13: “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.    unquote
  113. 100+ Bible Verses On Salvation By Faith Alone | New Covenant Baptist Church - Spokane, WA
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16 hours ago, blackbird said:

So you think you can have faith plus work your way to heaven.  I already pointed out Galatians soundly refutes that idea, which you chose to ignore.  Many verses in Romans and Galatians state clearly salvation is by faith.  One must become a child of God first;  then you can do good works.  Unless one is born again by faith alone, he is not a child of God.  You cannot become a child of God by faith plus works.  That is why Catholicism is dead wrong.  The apostle Paul said in Galatians anyone who adds works to faith is under a curse.  You need to study the Bible and learn the truth.  The Catholic church teaching you need faith plus works before you can be saved is obviously contrary to the Bible.  If you accept the teaching that salvation is by faith plus works, you will never know whether you have done enough works to earn salvation.  Nobody could have the assurance they are saved.  That is also contrary to the Bible. 

How many good works or what kind would be enough to save you?   Nobody knows but that is where that false dogma leads.  That is why Catholics do not have assurance of salvation.  It would be impossible to know if you had to work your way to heaven.   You appear to trust the Church more than God's word, the Bible.

It has nothing to do with what I think its what Scripture says. You reject Scripture for what your strip mall pastor says. 

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11 hours ago, blackbird said:

This should answer that once and for all if you are at all paying attention to the Bible.

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The Bible is clear that salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ!

  1. Genesis 15:6: “And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
  2. Habakkuk 2:4: “Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.”
  3. Mark 1:15: “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
  4. Mark 16:16: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
  5. Luke 8:12: “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”
  6. Luke 7:50: “And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
  7. Luke 8:12: “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”
  8. John 1:12: “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
  9. John 3:(14,)15: “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
  10. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
  11. John 3:18: “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
  12. John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
  13. John 5:24: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
  14. John 6:35: “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.”
  15. John 6:40: “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. “
  16. John 6:47: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
  17. John 7:38: “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”
  18. John 8:24: “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
  19. John 11:25: “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:”
  20. John 11:26: “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
  21. John 12:46: “I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.”
  22. John 16:27: “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
  23. John 20:31: “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
  24. Acts 2:21: “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
  25. Acts 5:14: “And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)”
  26. Acts 8:12: “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
  27. Acts 8:13: “Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.”
  28. Acts 8:37 (8:35-38): “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
  29. Acts 10:43: “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
  30. Acts 11:17,18: “Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”
  31. Acts 11:21: “And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.”
  32. Acts 13:39: “And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
  33. Acts 13:48: “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”
  34. Acts 15:7-9: “And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.”
  35. Acts 16:31: “And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
  36. Acts 18:8: “And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.”
  37. Acts 22:16: “And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
  38. Acts 26:18: “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”
  39. Romans 1:16: “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
  40. Romans 1:17: “For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
  41. Romans 3:22a: “Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:”
  42. Romans 3:25: “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
  43. Romans 3:26: “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
  44. Romans 3:28: “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”
  45. Romans 3:30: “Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.”
  46. Romans 4:3: “For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.”
  47. Romans 4:5: “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
  48. Romans 4:9: “Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.”
  49. Romans 4:11: “And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:”
  50. Romans 4:13: “For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.”
  51. Romans 4:16,17: “Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.”
  52. Romans 4:18-22: “Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah’s womb: he staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; and being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.”
  53. Romans 5:1: “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:”
  54. Romans 5:2: “By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”
  55. Romans 4:20-25: “He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; and being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.”
  56. Romans 9:30: “What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.”
  57. Romans 9:32,33: “Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; as it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
  58. Romans 10:4: “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
  59. Romans 10:6a: “But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise…”
  60. Romans 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
  61. Romans 10:10: “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”
  62. Romans 10:11: “For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
  63. Romans 10:13: “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
  64. Romans 10:14-17: “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
  65. Romans 11:20: “Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:”
  66. 1 Corinthians 1:21: “For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”
  67. 1 Corinthians 15:2: “By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.”
  68. 1 Corinthians 15:17: “And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.”
  69. 2 Corinthians 4:4: “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
  70. 2 Corinthians 6:14: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
  71. 2 Corinthians 6:15: “And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?”
  72. Galatians 2:16: “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”
  73. Galatians 2:20: “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.”
  74. Galatians 3:6,7: “Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.”
  75. Galatians 3:8: “And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
  76. Galatians 3:11: “But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.”
  77. Galatians 3:14: “That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
  78. Galatians 3:22: “But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.”
  79. Galatians 3:24: “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”
  80. Galatians 3:26: “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
  81. Galatians 5:5: “For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.”
  82. Ephesians 1:13: “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
  83. Ephesians 1:19: “And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,”
  84. Ephesians 2:8,9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.”
  85. Philippians 3:9: “And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:”
  86. Colossians 1:4,5: “Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, for the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, wherefore ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;”
  87. Colossians 2:12: “Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
  88. 1 Thessalonians 2:13: “For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”
  89. 2 Thessalonians 1:10: “When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.”
  90. 2 Thessalonians 2:12: “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
  91. 1 Timothy 1:16: “Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
  92. 1 Timothy 4:10: “For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
  93. 2 Timothy 3:15: “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”
  94. Hebrews 3:18: “And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?”
  95. Hebrews 4:2: “For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.”
  96. Hebrews 4:3a: “For we which have believed do enter into rest…”
  97. Hebrews 11:7: “By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
  98. Hebrews 11:31: “By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.”
  99. Hebrews 10:38: “Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.”
  100. Hebrews 10:39: “But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.”
  101. Hebrews 11:6: “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
  102. James 2:5: “Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?”
  103. James 2:23: “And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.”
  104. 1 Peter 1:5: “Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.”
  105. 1 Peter 1:9: “Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.”
  106. 1 Peter 1:18-21: “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.”1 Peter 2:6: “Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.”
  107. 1 Peter 2:7: “Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,”
  108. 1 John 5:1a: “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God…”
  109. 1 John 5:4: “For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.”
  110. 1 John 5:5: “Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?”
  111. 1 John 5:10: “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.”
  112. 1 John 5:13: “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.    unquote
  113. 100+ Bible Verses On Salvation By Faith Alone | New Covenant Baptist Church - Spokane, WA

Again you make up in volume what you lack in accuracy. The words "faith alone" appear together in scripture in only one place and that is to we are not saved by faith alone. You speak with no authority because you reject Scripture yet like the heretics throughout history you drape yourself in abused scriptural references. 

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2 hours ago, Yakuda said:

Again you make up in volume what you lack in accuracy. The words "faith alone" appear together in scripture in only one place and that is to we are not saved by faith alone. You speak with no authority because you reject Scripture yet like the heretics throughout history you drape yourself in abused scriptural references. 

Most ignore that for a mind to produce faith, it must do the work and deed of thinking.

By faith alone cannot ever happen, as faith is automatically a product of works and deeds.

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1 hour ago, French Patriot said:

Most ignore that for a mind to produce faith, it must do the work and deed of thinking.

By faith alone cannot ever happen, as faith is automatically a product of works and deeds.

Well you make a point. Protestants say you must "accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and savior" if you want to be saved. I've asked 1000s of protestants what actually saves then, then sacrifice of Jesus or reciting the quoted incantation? 

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