Deja vu

[myata]

So, it's happening just like the last time: the populace bored with self-absorbed and unproductive elites and stalling social progress, in a firm and solid dead end. A large group in the population is feeling restless and ready for experiments. Including, with sanity. The logic is simple here: if the things that we are being preached and professed as being sane and wise aren't seem to be working for us, then why couldn't we try the opposite? Seriously, what's stopping us?

Loudmouth, deep throat populists devoid of any standards and principles down to the absolute zero and then the negatives did and will exist always. They aren't the existential threat, Joe. The paralysis of thought, act, permanent and never changing status quo under great progressive muzak is. That is what's causing it.

Watching it unrolling yet again, I'm too bored to preach and appeal. Let's just repeat the obvious lessons from the last, quite disastrous experience. And then, whatever happens, happens. This time, it shouldn't be of any surprise to anybody. This time, we knew.

1. The side of sanity has to come up with a proposition of meaningful positive change and a path to the better future. Not just the words, but to show how and why it can be done.

2. The side of sanity needs to have an energetic and inspiring team to lead it. This is not you Joe, and it doesn't please me to be direct here but despite all the great talking, to a large, very large part of the population you are coming out as old and boring. It's not just the physical issues and the age though it matters too, but you are also an undeniable part of the same status quo, the elites that built and are enjoying it no matter what is happening around.

You are not that candidate, Joe. Please, please figure it out and bow out now, graciously. Give way, and pass the torch to the new generation that can and will take up the fight. This would be the best decision you can still make for the future. If you bow out, in either outcome, you can respect yourself. But if it's lost only due to your old-age obstinacy it may end up in a disaster that you would have created almost single-handedly.

3. The side of sanity needs to be united, but not around a face; not even throwing all kind of stuff at the opponent that will be easily deflected by a mob that decided that there's no difference between a word and a fact; unite in showing the sane, meaningful alternative to the insanity. Left-wing illusions, demands of unreasonable and outright impossible will result only in a division, apathy and a catastrophe: just like the last time. If you couldn't figure that one small piece out, you will probably lose. The future is not guaranteed. The talking game will not go on forever.

4. A way has to be found to reform the binary political system. Unwinding for decades, it has spawned the ultimate, incurable division and if unchanged every new low will be breached in the ever-accelerating race to the bottom. It will not end well: there are no good paths out of it.

And the last, though possibly the most important one: there are no excuses for giving in to insanity. It cannot be explained, rationalized or excused: simply does not exist and the history has told us that very clearly. In the times and situations like this, the choice is between one's integrity and sanity; and giving in to the crowd going mad. One cannot have both, but one can step aside and retain their self, integrity and principles. Anything, every and any tale and excuse you are telling yourself to avoid that choice are false and will be proven wrong. No system is made to last forever. There will always be the first time.

Edited January 16 by myata

[Rebound]

Gavin is the way. 

[robosmith]

11 hours ago, myata said:

So, it's happening just like the last time: the populace bored with self-absorbed and unproductive elites and stalling social progress, in a firm and solid dead end. A large group in the population is feeling restless and ready for experiments. Including, with sanity. The logic is simple here: if the things that we are being preached and professed as being sane and wise aren't seem to be working for us, then why couldn't we try the opposite? Seriously, what's stopping us?

Loudmouth, deep throat populists devoid of any standards and principles down to the absolute zero and then the negatives did and will exist always. They aren't the existential threat, Joe. The paralysis of thought, act, permanent and never changing status quo under great progressive muzak is. That is what's causing it.

Watching it unrolling yet again, I'm too bored to preach and appeal.

Followed by lengthy "preach and appeal" ad nauseum.... 

No one is listening to you. Esp not Joe, who actually knows how to govern.

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Followed by lengthy "preach and appeal" ad nauseum.... 

No one is listening to you. Esp not Joe, who actually knows how to govern.

Joe knows how Washington works, but he and Kamela aren’t winning the popularity contest.  She’s nearly invisible, and Joe hasn’t been communicating very much. 

[Caswell Thomas]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Joe knows how Washington works, but he and Kamela aren’t winning the popularity contest.  She’s nearly invisible, and Joe hasn’t been communicating very much. 

Joe is doing what Trump learned to do from Joe. Ignore the bullshipters and wait until.its a clear field, THEN begin the real Campaign. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Joe knows how Washington works, but he and Kamela aren’t winning the popularity contest.  She’s nearly invisible, and Joe hasn’t been communicating very much. 

Joe just recently started campaigning and I've heard at least a couple of his speeches which were very strong with no stumbling.

[godzilla]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Joe just recently started campaigning and I've heard at least a couple of his speeches which were very strong with no stumbling.

yeah, i think the Biden campaign know what its doing. it has a tonne of money saved up. its waiting for the GOP primary dust to settle and then they are going lay waste to the airways with recordings of Trump, lawyers and his allies. i mean, its a biggest library of self defeating quotes ever presented to a campaign in history.

Biden-Harris campaign says it has largest war chest of any Democratic candidate in history

i guess it was today that Trump gave his Iowa speech where he was all "big tent". he's not big tent. he never will be. he's incapable of it.

 

[myata]

7 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

until.its a clear field, THEN begin

Or until the day last? And then, oh well we tried, time to write the memoirs. It'll sort itself out somehow. The future is guaranteed.

[myata]

If a strong uniting Democratic candidate emerges during the campaign, it's quite obvious that Joe would better bow out. It would be disastrous, including for him personally if his obstinacy would cost not only the election but a serious risk to the democracy. The problem is, the later it happens the more it would damage the chances. Basically Joe needs to decide who he trusts more: himself; or his party and the broader, sane community and the country.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

Joe just recently started campaigning and I've heard at least a couple of his speeches which were very strong with no stumbling.

He forgot what he was saying at an appearance just the other day.

He has good days and bad days.  But more bad than good. THe guy is old and somewhat dottering, that's just the way it is.

He won last time because he could stay in his basement and hide thanks to covid and you can make that work when you're the challenger. You want all the focus on the incumbent and to berate his track record.  But - when YOU are the incumbent that doesn't work as well.

[Rebound]

9 hours ago, myata said:

If a strong uniting Democratic candidate emerges during the campaign, it's quite obvious that Joe would better bow out. It would be disastrous, including for him personally if his obstinacy would cost not only the election but a serious risk to the democracy. The problem is, the later it happens the more it would damage the chances. Basically Joe needs to decide who he trusts more: himself; or his party and the broader, sane community and the country.

Pretty sure it's too late for any Democratic challenger to get on a primary ballot. The Democrats could nominate a different person at their convention, but Americans today would be furious at the notion of someone who wasn't elected in the primaries getting a Presidential nomination. 

An even bigger problem is that there is no law which explains what to do if a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated. Does the VP nominee take over? No law says that. The Constitution doesn't have any provision for this. What happens if Trump has his heart attack or goes into prison a week before the election? Who becomes the Republican Presidential nominee? Trump caught a bad case of Covid right before the election and nobody had any idea what would happen if he'd died. We simply aren't prepared for that as a nation.

Edited January 17 by Rebound

[Deluge]

On 1/16/2024 at 6:11 AM, Rebound said:

Gavin is the way. 

Gavin is the way to aggressive taxes, drug abuse, and homelessness. 

No, America doesn't need another tyrant. 

[myata]

29 minutes ago, Rebound said:

We simply aren't prepared for that as a nation.

No formal system can and will last forever. There's no coasting history. Citizenship that degraded to the state of pueblo watching a political show will have their democracy degraded to a tyranny. Only a matter of time.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Pretty sure it's too late for any Democratic challenger to get on a primary ballot. The Democrats could nominate a different person at their convention, but Americans today would be furious at the notion of someone who wasn't elected in the primaries getting a Presidential nomination. 

 

The only acceptable path is if he claimed health issues.  It would be believable and they'd accept. But the chances of that are very very close to zero.

[myata]

And something else has to be clear here. In the times like this, every little whisper will go in the history and will be examined through and over by generations. The Republicans absolutely cannot say that they want to stand up to brutal thugs, Hitlers of our time, while using it as a blackmail piece in their little political games.

This would be a lie. If your lying leaders are telling you otherwise, it's still a lie. The future will know.

There's no logical connection between the decisions. You can and should stand for security of the border. And you can stand up to brutal dictator thugs now when they are weakened rather than later. It's in your interest, if for you they are still the same as the interests of your country.

Your words, and acts are being written in the history and will be examined by generations, no nooks or corners to hide, no excuses or explanations. Your lies too. And make no mistake: you knew.