robosmith Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 January 6 Still a Big Liability for Trump Quote Democrats and independents still hold starkly negative views of Jan. 6, its participants and Trump’s role in stoking the riot. Majorities of Americans overall still believe now-President Joe Biden was elected legitimately, that Trump is guilty of trying to steal the election and that the federal criminal charges in Washington against Trump are appropriate. Even as surveys generally show Trump running even with the unpopular Biden or leading him narrowly in the horse race, Trump’s refusal to concede the last election and his actions leading up to the Capitol riot are significant liabilities for his candidacy. And it’s not just a poll-based hypothetical that direct ties to Jan. 6 or broader denial of the 2020 election results are a millstone for Trump and his aligned candidates. Only 14 months ago, voters in the midterms rejected the majority of 2020 election deniers — especially in battleground states — despite a political environment and generic ballot that otherwise favored Republicans. So most of you right wingers are judged IN DENIAL by a strong majority of US voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted January 12 Author Report Share Posted January 12 The Ghost of January 6th Haunts 2024 Quote The long shadow of January 6, 2021, hangs over this election. Three years after a mob of Americans stormed their own Capitol, seeking to block Joe Biden’s victory and keep Donald Trump in the White House, Biden and Trump each began 2024 with plans to make the tragic events of that day the centerpiece of his campaign. For the incumbent, it’s the rationale for his entire Presidency and the most compelling reason to give him a second term—a continuation of the “battle for the soul of America” that animated Biden’s run in 2020. For Trump, it’s the false battle cry around which he hopes to rally the maga mob once again. Already, he has proved that millions of his supporters are immune to the truth about January 6th. It will be an incredible act of political sorcery if he can ride his lies about the 2020 election and its violent aftermath back into the White House. And yet, as the year begins, his chances of doing so are better than ever. To his original Big Lie about the “rigged election” in 2020, Trump has added ever more lies. He now calls January 6th “a beautiful day” and the nearly thirteen hundred defendants arrested in connection with the attack on the Capitol martyrs and “hostages.” In recent months as he has campaigned for his return to the White House, he has dangled pardons for the insurrectionists, to be issued “on Day 1” of his second term, and threatened instead to lock up the police who tried to defend the Capitol that day. “When people who love our country protest in Washington, they become hostages unfairly imprisoned for long portions of their life,” he told a rally in Iowa last month. This rhetoric is likely only to escalate in the course of the campaign, as Trump faces both a federal and a state trial on criminal charges connected with his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. In fourteen states, meanwhile, there is pending litigation to keep Trump off the ballot on the ground that his role in inciting the events of January 6th makes him an “insurrectionist” as defined by the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution—a matter soon to make its way to the Supreme Court since both Colorado and Maine have already disqualified him from their ballots. Trump’s legal team is also challenging the federal case against him, on the basis that his extraordinary post-2020-election acts were part of his official duties and thus covered by Presidential “immunity.” One thing we can pretty much say for sure about 2024 is that not a day will go by without the ghost of January 6th echoing loudly in our courtrooms and in our politics. The Republicans’ modern-day political alchemist has, in just three years, made 2020-election denialism—and its corollary set of falsehoods about January 6th—a core tenet in the Republican catechism. Who’s to say where this will all end up? The prospect of Trump restored as President, back in the Oval Office on January 20, 2025, pardoning himself and all the other “hostages” seems a lot more real than it did three years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 Yet the polls are showing the people still want Trump over Biden, so keep pretending Jan 6th is any real issue in the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 6 minutes ago, Fluffypants said: Yet the polls are showing the people still want Trump over Biden, so keep pretending Jan 6th is any real issue in the election. Biden beating Trump in latest PA poll. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted January 12 Author Report Share Posted January 12 38 minutes ago, Fluffypants said: Yet the polls are showing the people still want Trump over Biden, so keep pretending Jan 6th is any real issue in the election. Maybe SOME polls, but election day is months away, so don't get your hopes up. Most voters are not even paying attention right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caswell Thomas Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 54 minutes ago, Fluffypants said: Yet the polls are showing the people still want Trump over Biden, so keep pretending Jan 6th is any real issue in the election. The polls actually show Trump.losing big time even in his own party with each trial he attends and tries to turn it into a campaign whistle stop and rant. His popularity vs. Nikki Haley also has dropped over 20 points just this past week after all his bluster about winning his New York trial showed a lot of voting Republicans just how deluded he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Donnie will win provided the commies on the left don't cancel him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Rebound said: Biden beating Trump in latest PA poll. Trump beating Biden in Michigan poll. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/09/michigan-poll-finds-biden-support-shaky-trump-strong-lead/72152924007/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said: The polls actually show Trump.losing big time even in his own party with each trial he attends and tries to turn it into a campaign whistle stop and rant. His popularity vs. Nikki Haley also has dropped over 20 points just this past week after all his bluster about winning his New York trial showed a lot of voting Republicans just how deluded he is. Actually, you're full of shit. Trump has 240 Electoral votes vs the Hair sniffer's 176. https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Rebound said: Biden beating Trump in latest PA poll. The vast majority agree that biden is behind. Of course, campaigns matter and this one will be no exception so it's anyone's game. Having said that - it would appear that while dems and indys disapprove of jan6, the majority dont' have STRONG feelings about it one way or another. They DO have strong feelings about the economy and Trump's economy was better than bidens. So what's the point of trump even talking about jan 6th? This little snippet from robodope's sources' source Republican voters have steadily grown more forgiving of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol — and in some cases, more supportive of Donald Trump’s attempt to subvert the election. Right now Trump is trying to win the nomination, not the election. So he doesn't care about how dems feel about Jan 6. Once he wins the nomination and has strong support behind him, then he'll switch to talking about the economy and interest rates and gas prices etc etc. And that is something dems and indy's DO care about a great deal. They won't be thinking about what happened in january nearly 4 years ago, they'll be thinking 'how will i pay for food tomorrow'? It's a decent enough strategy - the execution will be important but it's got merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 9 hours ago, West said: Donnie will win provided the commies on the left don't cancel him The voters will cancel him. Again. He’s losing New Hampshire. 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: The vast majority agree that biden is behind. Of course, campaigns matter and this one will be no exception so it's anyone's game. Having said that - it would appear that while dems and indys disapprove of jan6, the majority dont' have STRONG feelings about it one way or another. They DO have strong feelings about the economy and Trump's economy was better than bidens. So what's the point of trump even talking about jan 6th? This little snippet from robodope's sources' source Republican voters have steadily grown more forgiving of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol — and in some cases, more supportive of Donald Trump’s attempt to subvert the election. Right now Trump is trying to win the nomination, not the election. So he doesn't care about how dems feel about Jan 6. Once he wins the nomination and has strong support behind him, then he'll switch to talking about the economy and interest rates and gas prices etc etc. And that is something dems and indy's DO care about a great deal. They won't be thinking about what happened in january nearly 4 years ago, they'll be thinking 'how will i pay for food tomorrow'? It's a decent enough strategy - the execution will be important but it's got merit. If Trump is nominated, Biden will play Jan 6 footage every single day until November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 15 hours ago, Deluge said: Actually, you're full of shit. Trump has 240 Electoral votes vs the Hair sniffer's 176. https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/ I cannot wait for Donnie to get back in and implement his muslim ban, end wars in Israel and the Ukraine, and restore the west to a time of economic strength. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, West said: I cannot wait for Donnie to get back in and implement his muslim ban, end wars in Israel and the Ukraine, and restore the west to a time of economic strength. Sounds terrific. God, I'm sick of the divisiveness and invasion of our borders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 6 hours ago, Rebound said: The voters will cancel him. Again. He’s losing New Hampshire. If Trump is nominated, Biden will play Jan 6 footage every single day until November. The commies are trying to keep him off the ballot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 6 hours ago, Rebound said: The voters will cancel him. Again. He’s losing New Hampshire. If Trump is nominated, Biden will play Jan 6 footage every single day until November. Biden will have no choice but to play Jan 6 footage every single day because the basement ghoul won't have anything else to play. Trump, on the other hand, is going to kick the shit out of that pedophile, and part of that ass kicking will be playing the correct footage of Jan 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 7 hours ago, Rebound said: If Trump is nominated, Biden will play Jan 6 footage every single day until November. I'm really not sure that would help him. In fact i think it would work against him. Biden does seem to be gearing up at least at this stage for a campaign of "trump bad - no do trump!". And I think there's a good chance he will fail and fail hard if he continues that through the actual campaign. For him to win he's got to creatively rewrite history to make his term sound like it was productive, and he's got to give people confidence that his next term will be great. If he's just "orange man bad" then trump will simply say 'sleepy man worse, orange man make economy go zoooom" and he'll win that one, people care more about about the economy and their fiscal health right now than they do about j6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 21 hours ago, robosmith said: January 6 Still a Big Liability for Trump So most of you right wingers are judged IN DENIAL by a strong majority of US voters. Jan 6 occurred because the strong majority of US voters were disenfranchised by voter fraud. Pedophile Joe did NOT win that election legitimately, from legal votes. Most of you left wingers are just too stupid to grasp the facts. Then again, you come from underachieving blue states where education is at the bottom of the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 42 minutes ago, reason10 said: Jan 6 occurred because the strong majority of US voters were disenfranchised by voter fraud. Pedophile Joe did NOT win that election legitimately, from legal votes. Most of you left wingers are just too stupid to grasp the facts. Then again, you come from underachieving blue states where education is at the bottom of the barrel. Exactly. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caswell Thomas Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 On 1/12/2024 at 6:01 PM, Deluge said: Actually, you're full of shit. Trump has 240 Electoral votes vs the Hair sniffer's 176. https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/ Trump has NO electoral votes you dullard! This is just a primary for who gets on the ballot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caswell Thomas Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 On 1/12/2024 at 5:48 PM, Deluge said: Trump beating Biden in Michigan poll. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/09/michigan-poll-finds-biden-support-shaky-trump-strong-lead/72152924007/ Biden beating Trump in Illinois and Iowa polls. , and looks like the same in New Hampshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 43 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said: Trump has NO electoral votes you dullard! This is just a primary for who gets on the ballot! I think it was pretty obvious that they're referring to polling results rather than an actual election Based on polling - if an election were held today trump would have (updated) 235 votes to biden's 226. Trump would have 12 combination paths to gaining the 270 he'd need, biden would have 9. Trump has an edge at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said: Biden beating Trump in Illinois and Iowa polls. , and looks like the same in New Hampshire. Illinois is a democrat stronghold, God help them. It looks like the cuck neocons want Haley as the nominee, so that explains her upward surge. I'm leaning more towards Ramaswamy every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said: Trump has NO electoral votes you dullard! This is just a primary for who gets on the ballot! He's LEADING BIDEN you backward assed regressive. I never said that this was the actual race. Don't they teach you black lesbian studies majors anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 13 hours ago, West said: The commies are trying to keep him off the ballot The disqualification is IN THE CONSTITUTION and anyone who can read understands that. Duh Of course, we know you Canucks don't care about the US Constitution. 🤮 12 hours ago, reason10 said: Jan 6 occurred because the strong majority of US voters were disenfranchised by voter fraud. Pedophile Joe did NOT win that election legitimately, from legal votes. Most of you left wingers are just too stupid to grasp the facts. Then again, you come from underachieving blue states where education is at the bottom of the barrel. The majority of US voters disagree with ^this SIMPLETON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, Deluge said: Illinois is a democrat stronghold, God help them. It looks like the cuck neocons want Haley as the nominee, so that explains her upward surge. I'm leaning more towards Ramaswamy every day. I strongly recommend you vote for Ramyswamy. Just don't tell your MAGA CULT leader, or he'll send his mob to kill you. Edited January 14 by robosmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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