A Catastrophic Climate ‘Tipping Point’ Is Imminent

[CdnFox]

Just now, Aristides said:

It is very accurate, Sumas Prairie is less than 10 feet above sea level and that is 100 km from the ocean. The Fraser is tidal past Mission.

 

Sorry but it's not even remotely accurate.

Here's a map.Set it at 3 meters which is about 10 feet.

http://floodplain.ca/Vancouver-Floodplain-Map.htm

There is basically no flooding in the fraser valley. Richmond gets nailed pretty fast but we knew that.  But the vast part of the lower mainland is untouched or barely affected.

Even at 6 meters or 18 ft the fraser valley is barely impacted and what there is can easily be prevented with a few higher dikes. Basically just richmond and surrey and parts of pitt medows and such but again - not that hard to protect.

Sorry - you were misinformed there.

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So we will dyke all the way to the border?

No need - you grossly overestimated the area impacted.

As to the us - if they don't dike they flood.

15 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Are you going to move all of Richmond and a large part of Delta, Pitt Meadows etc?

Over the next 100 years or so? Yeah if we have to.

But i have this strange feeling that somehow that won't be necessary

Basically richmond is the only area it would be difficult to protect and Yeah it's crappy if we lose it but hardly an extinction level event. Don't let your great grandkids buy there - you'll be fine.

[Aristides]

I live in the Fraser Valley and Sumas Prairie is about 5 ft ASL. Whenever there is major flooding like we had in 2021 and 1991 it comes across the border from Washington State. Tides even affect Hatzic Lake which is upstream from Mission. 

In 2021, flooding closed HW1 for two weeks. 

Much of Delta is less than 4 M and much of the rail and road access to Delta Port is at 2 M as well as Boundary Bay Airport. High tides and storm surges regularly cause flooding in Boundary Bay.

YVR is only 4 metres ASL

Edited January 1, 2024 by Aristides

[Guest]

On 12/27/2023 at 8:14 PM, robosmith said:

IGNORANT about the science AND the catastrophes that are already happening.

How does panicking the population fix this? Shaming the population.

It would take decades to make massive changes, globally.

It also shows urgency, when those putting the message out, aren't routinely taking flights out to vacation or being hypocrites about their cause.

[OftenWrong]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

I live in the Fraser Valley and Sumas Prairie is about 5 ft ASL. Whenever there is major flooding like we had in 2021 and 1991 it comes across the border from Washington State. Tides even affect Hatzic Lake which is upstream from Mission. 

In 2021, flooding closed HW1 for two weeks. 

Much of Delta is less than 4 M and much of the rail and road access to Delta Port is at 2 M as well as Boundary Bay Airport. High tides and storm surges regularly cause flooding in Boundary Bay.

YVR is only 4 metres ASL

Guess people shouldn'ta built communities there then.

Like my pappy used to say,

"A lack of forethought, preparation and planning on your part does not constitute an emergency response on my part."

[Aristides]

54 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Guess people shouldn'ta built communities there then.

Like my pappy used to say,

"A lack of forethought, preparation and planning on your part does not constitute an emergency response on my part."

Well I guess The Netherlands shouldn’t exist either, over a quarter of it is reclaimed land and 60% is below sea level at high tide. The area that flooded in Abbotsford was farm land, the most productive in Canada. I guess we shouldn’t have built the Trans Canada Highway through it either but I’m not sure where else we could have put it.

 

https://www.farms.com/ag-industry-news/abbotsford-king-of-highest-farm-gate-receipts-per-hectare-294.aspx

Edited January 1, 2024 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, Aristides said:

I live in the Fraser Valley and Sumas Prairie is about 5 ft ASL.

I just showed you the modelling from a scientific source, sorry but you're wrong.

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Whenever there is major flooding like we had in 2021 and 1991 it comes across the border from Washington State. Tides even affect Hatzic Lake which is upstream from Mission. 

From a river, not rising tides.  If there's too much rain all at once the rivers get bigger and overrun their banks. And we built dikes to prevent that.  And the US did not do a good job on their dykes. But it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with rising tides.

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In 2021, flooding closed HW1 for two weeks. 

Yes - a small portion of the highway flooded, not the whole fraser valley, and it was from a RIVER - not rising sea levels.

If anything all you're doing is proving that rising sea levels are the least of our concerns.

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Much of Delta is less than 4 M and much of the rail and road access to Delta Port is at 2 M as well as Boundary Bay Airport. High tides and storm surges regularly cause flooding in Boundary Bay.

Yes - if sea levels rise that is one place that will be affected if they don't built a dike.

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YVR is only 4 metres ASL

You're concerned about a 3 foot rise in water. 4 meters is about 10 feet.  So there you go.

[robosmith]

On 12/29/2023 at 2:24 PM, taxme said:

So, who gives a crap anyway? You and me will not be around by the end of the century to worry about global warming, you stunned fool. My opinion of you is that you are the ignorant one here who will believe lies if they are supposed to come from people who say that they are in the know.

Some scientists and so called experts will probably say anything to try and get name recognition and an added money bonus to lie. You know as much as i know about global warming which is pretty much nothing at all. We both go by what others tell us. Whomever is telling the truth, i could care less. I liver for today and not tomorrow. 😀

Your ^SPECULATION is WORTHLESS in comparison to SCIENTISTS with PhDs and DECADES of EXPERIENCE in climate science. Duh

Have you even READ ANY climate science PEER REVIEWED JOURNALS? Or even Scientific American?

Maybe if you had, you would actually know something about the issue. But I doubt you'd even understand them.

[CdnFox]

Just now, robosmith said:

Your ^SPECULATION is WORTHLESS in comparison to SCIENTISTS with PhDs and DECADES of EXPERIENCE in climate science. Duh

Your IMAGINARY and UNPROVEN scientists WITHOUT pHd's and NO actual EXPERIENCE is WORTHLESS WITHOUT PROOOOFF!!

And you're drooling again   

[robosmith]

On 12/29/2023 at 3:04 PM, taxme said:

Well, it looks to me like your daddy did not know all that much, and neither do you. Marc Morano has already shown me that little tidbit about people like you and your daddy. Ha-ha. 

Such bullshit. So, if i have you right, it is okay for someone to try and stop their spread of CO2 emissions in one place, but it will be alright in the spreading of CO2 emissions somewhere else. Well, that makes sense alright. NOT. 🤔

And you know this personally for a fact, eh, or did some bozo tell you that? Ever heard of desalination? It supposedly works. 

I could care less if the tips of any icebergs melt. It happens every year in springtime or did you not know that? Icebergs come and icebergs go. It has been doing that since time began. 

When all the ice started to melt around 10,000 years ago, on the North American continent, did the world come to an end? Nope. We just were left with lakes and oceans. There was plenty of land left to live and thrive on. 

Again, so what, if some parts of the world end up under water. You still are here, right, walking on land and not needing a boat to get around. 

Again, so what. Maybe the Eskimos can now start to grow some fruits and vegetables when their part of the world warms up. A great benefit for those people. I guess building igloos will be a thing of the past. So what is the temperature today in the Arctic? Do you know, scientist professor? 

Maybe there are other factors here that is causing some glaciers to melt. I read that some of those glaciers were melting from underneath the bottom of many icebergs, indicating that something is happening under those glaciers that we are not being made aware of. The earth may be heating up the water from under those glaciers. Hey, we never know, eh? 

The last i heard it was snowing today in the Arctic. So relax. No melting going on today. LOL. 

Do not panic just yet. After all, i do believe that this global climate crisis is just another Covid #2 a la globalists nonsense to try and get we the fossil fuel loving people to get rid of our fossil fuel vehicles and go EV. Phuk that. EV's maybe are okay in the city but not outside the city and to go long distances into the bush. They become useless as teats on a bull, especially, if someone has to drive for hundreds of miles every day to get around, and where there are no charging EV units available.  I can see it now. EV charging units all over the countryside and roadways, especially on the roads in the Northwest Territories and the Yukon. Chuckle. 

Just because Mark Morano has you fooled does not means he knows ANYTHING about the science.

He is a PR hack like Gore, only he works for climate deniers like Sen. Inhofe.

At least Gore took college level courses in climate science from EXPERTS like Dr. Roger Revelle. 

On 12/30/2023 at 2:33 PM, Michael Hardner said:

So why engage?

 

If this forum Balkanized into separate bodies it might be a better idea...

Engage to set the record straight for readers who have not made up their minds like the right wing parrots here.

[robosmith]

On 12/31/2023 at 8:46 AM, Nationalist said:

I have asked many times...'Is there a crisis? Where's the proof?'

But there is no proof. Just a bunch of vague statements of potential disaster based on models. Shortly after the latest model is published, it's found to be faulty.

Yet these climate religious would impose their destructive ideas on the entire population because...it's their religion. It's their cult.

Perhaps we should have Clinton re-program them?

Where is your non-existent proof that the climate is NOT warming at a record pace.

That's right, you HAVE NONE cause you don't even understand the basics of the science.

Are you even in denial about the historical record world wide high temperature set last summer?

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

How does panicking the population fix this? Shaming the population.

Who is "panicking"? If ANYTHING, not enough is being done, and that only drives UP the cost long term.

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

It would take decades to make massive changes, globally.

It also shows urgency, when those putting the message out, aren't routinely taking flights out to vacation or being hypocrites about their cause.

You do know about carbon offsets don't you?

The carbon emitted from those flights can be offset by other ACTIONS RIGHT NOW.

I'm all for forcing the purchase of carbon offsets. If someone can afford a private jet, they can afford carbon offsets.

How about YOU?

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Guess people shouldn'ta built communities there then.

Like my pappy used to say,

"A lack of forethought, preparation and planning on your part does not constitute an emergency response on my part."

Except you're NOT engaging in "forethought, preparation and planning," either, so step up for your share of "emergency response."

[Legato]

15 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your ^SPECULATION is WORTHLESS in comparison to SCIENTISTS with PhDs and DECADES of EXPERIENCE in climate science. securing next years grant.

 

Fixed for accuracy.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Engage to set the record straight for readers who have not made up their minds like the right wing parrots here.

Absolutely - after reading your posts for a few minutes they'll realize the left is bat crap crazy and make the correct decision to side with trump!   You're providing a valuable service

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

Fixed for accuracy.

Grants are peer reviewed, and you only broke my quote by IGNORING "climate science," probably cause you have ZERO understanding of it.

[Legato]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Who is "panicking"? If ANYTHING, not enough is being done, and that only drives UP the cost long term.

You do know about carbon offsets don't you?

The carbon emitted from those flights can be offset by other ACTIONS RIGHT NOW.

I'm all for forcing the purchase of carbon offsets. If someone can afford a private jet, they can afford carbon offsets.

How about YOU?

Pay tell, how does one buying carbon offsets lower carbon emission's?

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Grants are peer reviewed, and you only broke my quote by IGNORING "climate science," probably cause you have ZERO understanding of it.

Peer reviewed by all those needing next years grants.

[OftenWrong]

12 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Except you're NOT engaging in "forethought, preparation and planning," either, so step up for your share of "emergency response."

You are free to build your house on a flood plain. Is good flat land, and cheap.

Just don't come cryin to me when you float away...    

Edited January 1, 2024 by OftenWrong

[Guest]

52 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Who is "panicking"?

Look up youth and children climate anxiety. The deliberate working from "woke" politicians. The level of how dire things are. Kids see things literally, and I've spoken to some who literally feel their death will be imminent. Sounds like panic to me!

54 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The carbon emitted from those flights can be offset by other ACTIONS RIGHT NOW.

How about leadership by example? If I'm pushing recycling, don't you think it would be best that I recycle?

Being the type of leader who stresses to do as I say, vs do as I do, won't get you taken very seriously. Rightfully so, in my opinion.

I see it like this. My car is a fuel sipper, at best. I purchased it deliberately because of how little fuel it uses. I barely drive it in the summer, and use my bike.

I think this shaming I see politicians like Justin Trudeau push onto people, as he wants to "put a price on pollution", yet will routinely hop on private jets, for his many vacations. I don't understand how I'm to be shamed, when he clearly pollutes and wastes more than me without even trying.

Its deliberately divisive, vs doing the more common sense thing. Investing into greener initiatives, and incentivizing current ones. Once the green option is best on market, and makes financial sense, it will be adopted.

Shaming simply builds resent, and will push away many.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

You are free to build your house on a flood plain. Is good flat land, and cheap.

Just don't come cryin to me when you float away...    

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I just showed you the modelling from a scientific source, sorry but you're wrong.

From a river, not rising tides.  If there's too much rain all at once the rivers get bigger and overrun their banks. And we built dikes to prevent that.  And the US did not do a good job on their dykes. But it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with rising tides.

Yes - a small portion of the highway flooded, not the whole fraser valley, and it was from a RIVER - not rising sea levels.

If anything all you're doing is proving that rising sea levels are the least of our concerns.

Yes - if sea levels rise that is one place that will be affected if they don't built a dike.

You're concerned about a 3 foot rise in water. 4 meters is about 10 feet.  So there you go.

You obviously have never heard of tides and storm surges.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You obviously have never heard of tides and storm surges.

You've obviously never heard of science.  And i question whether you live in teh lower mainland if you think that the flooding in 2021 was due to tides or storm surges.

[Legato]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You obviously have never heard of tides and storm surges.

Neither has Obama , DiCaprio and many others.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Pay tell, how does one buying carbon offsets lower carbon emission's?

Investing in carbon reduction technologies to be used elsewhere. Do I have to repeat that again so you can understand it?

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Peer reviewed by all those needing next years grants.

You're just guessing and guessed wrong. IF not, prove it with EVIDENCE.

The FACT is, there are plenty of climate scientists who are NOT competing for "next year's grants." AKA, they are tenured professors who already make a guaranteed salary.

31 minutes ago, Legato said:

Neither has Obama , DiCaprio and many others.

How would you "know" ^this BULLSHIT? You DON'T.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

You are free to build your house on a flood plain. Is good flat land, and cheap.

Just don't come cryin to me when you float away...    

In most regions of the US, you're NOT free to do that. You will be denied PERMITS in states that have implemented good regulations.

[Aristides]

45 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You've obviously never heard of science.  And i question whether you live in teh lower mainland if you think that the flooding in 2021 was due to tides or storm surges.

No it wasn't, I'm just pointing out that diking in Canada alone will not solve the problem.

 

https://en-ca.topographic-map.com/map-3wlk18/Fraser-Valley-Regional-District/?center=49.06543%2C-123.01889&zoom=13&popup=49.07319%2C-123.00435

Edited January 1, 2024 by Aristides