Is the population of Canada growing too fast?

CdnFox · November 25, 2023

54 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Our problem -possible advantage- is that we have to bring all these kids into the new world.

Every generation, we have to teach them how to write, speak, be civilsed, get along.

Canada has the physical infrastructure. We Canadians? We excel at teaching how to get along

well you're wrong.

We don't get along as has been discussed. If you want to just lie to yourself, why bother even coming here? You can lie to your mirror at home even more easily.

Yeash. There's quebec's education system for you.

CdnFox · November 25, 2023

36 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Guys. The increasingly imminent mass die-off and retirement of baby boomers is going to rock our world and leave many industries across the country short staffed.

The baby boomers have pretty much all retired. We've already gone through that - we're coming out the other side of it now. There aren't that many boomers left compared to what we started with, and they are all pretty much out of the workforce.

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You can’t wait until after the fact to start immigrating and hiring people.

Doesn't change the fact that you cannot bring in more than you can house, educate, and provide healthcare for.

Look around you for god's sake. People are paying 50 percent of their incomes in rent. And it's getting worse. People like you are worried about climate change 100 years from now but you're turning a blind eye to the facet that in 10 years our homeless population could reach close to 10 - 20 percent? You dont realize what that means to our society?

And the new people aren't filling qualified jobs, they're filling low end jobs.

This myth that if we don't import massive numbers we won't have workers is utterly stupid. And what is happening is that businesses don't invest in making the workers they do have more productive, which destroys our gdp per capita and lowers our standard of living.

We cannot bring in more than we can afford to house, teach and cure. Nothing you can say changes that, nothing ever will.

NAME REMOVED · November 25, 2023

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Our problem -possible advantage- is that we have to bring all these kids into the new world.

Every generation, we have to teach them how to write, speak, be civilsed, get along.

The kids won't succeed if their parents cannot afford to put a roof over their head.

NAME REMOVED · November 25, 2023

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The baby boomers have pretty much all retired. We've already gone through that - we're coming out the other side of it now. There aren't that many boomers left compared to what we started with, and they are all pretty much out of the workforce.

This is not necessarily correct If we look at the Baby Boom generation, the birth rate was at an all time high in 1958, and continued to be at record levels until finally beginning to drop around 1962. That means that the people born in 58, will be of retirement age this year. Some of them just turned 60. I have seen the need for tradespeople in the past few years, but it will begin to really affect other fields very soon, and probably reach crisis levels around 2026.

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Doesn't change the fact that you cannot bring in more than you can house, educate, and provide healthcare for.

Look around you for god's sake. People are paying 50 percent of their incomes in rent. And it's getting worse. People like you are worried about climate change 100 years from now but you're turning a blind eye to the facet that in 10 years our homeless population could reach close to 10 - 20 percent? You dont realize what that means to our society?

Exactly.

I mean if a city like Winnipeg has enough housing for 750,000 people, and current population figures have the population at 850,000, that means that housing is needed for 100,000 people. That will drive the prices of housing up substantially. It will also increase the homeless population, and stress the education system, health care, and infrastructure.

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And the new people aren't filling qualified jobs, they're filling low end jobs.

This myth that if we don't import massive numbers we won't have workers is utterly stupid. And what is happening is that businesses don't invest in making the workers they do have more productive, which destroys our gdp per capita and lowers our standard of living.

We cannot bring in more than we can afford to house, teach and cure. Nothing you can say changes that, nothing ever will.

Bingo.

August1991 · November 25, 2023

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

well you're wrong.

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Disagree.

No one is born with the knowledge of how to tie a show lace.

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I was recently in Toronto and I saw a group of immigrant high school kids leaving a bus. The guys mostly wore baggy trousers; the girls had black tights. Clearly, they all wanted to do as others.

IMHO, Trudeau was correct to change our immigration law in 1976.

The Americans changed theirs in 1965.

Edited November 25, 2023 by August1991

NAME REMOVED · November 25, 2023

15 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

No one is born with the knowledge of how to tie a show lace.

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I was recently in Toronto and I saw a group of immigrant high school kids leaving a bus. The guys mostly wore baggy trousers; the girls had black tights. Clearly, they all wanted to do as others.

IMHO, Trudeau was correct to change our immigration law in 1976.

The Americans changed theirs in 1965.

The fact that you fail to see the problems in doubling or tripling the number of permanent residents we bring to this country annually, without the infrastructure to support them, is incredible.

Maybe it's time you learned how to tie your shoelaces.

Edited November 25, 2023 by DUI_Offender

August1991 · November 25, 2023

6 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

The fact that you fail to see the problems in doubling or tripling the number of permanent residents we bring to this country annually, without the infrastructure to support them, is incredible.

Maybe it's time you learned how to tie your shoelaces.

You misunderstand me.

We Canadians are good at getting different people to get along.

And no one is born knowing how to tie a shoe lace.

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This is not Clinton village BS. We Canadians get along.

CdnFox · November 25, 2023

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

This is not necessarily correct If we look at the Baby Boom generation, the birth rate was at an all time high in 1958, and continued to be at record levels until finally beginning to drop around 1962. That means that the people born in 58, will be of retirement age this year. Some of them just turned 60. I have seen the need for tradespeople in the past few years, but it will begin to really affect other fields very soon, and probably reach crisis levels around 2026.

Many have taken early retirement, especially during covid. And remember - not all survived to reach 60 or 65.

The huge 'bubble' has largely been consumed and while there's still boomers out there, it's really not that many. Here's some stats:

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/as-sa/98-200-X/2021003/98-200-X2021003-eng.cfm

The Canadian population is changing due to baby boomers getting older and immigration boosting numbers in the younger generations. These changes will have significant consequences, particularly on the labour market, services to seniors, and the consumption of goods and services.
For the first time since the end of the baby boom, baby boomers—who were born between 1946 and 1965 and were between the ages of 56 and 75 in 2021—make up less than a quarter of the Canadian population. They represent 24.9% of the Canadian population, compared with 41.7% in 1966, when they were under the age of 20.^Note 1
Millennials, who are those born between 1981 and 1996 and were between 25 and 40 years old in 2021, are the fastest-growing generation. Their numbers rose 8.6% between 2016 and 2021. This increase is due to immigration, despite the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on recent immigration.
Millennials are the generation that accounts for the largest share of the working-age population (33.2%), or those aged 15 to 64.
Millennials outnumber baby boomers in Alberta (23.3% versus 21.4%), Yukon (25.0% versus 24.2%), the Northwest Territories (25.2% versus 19.2%), and Nunavut (24.1% versus 10.6%).
Millennials also accounted for more than one-third (35.1%) of the downtown population of large urban centres in Canada in 2021, while baby boomers accounted for one-fifth (20.9%) of it.

Milennials are a bigger share of the population now, and the boomers are quickly dwindling

I mean sure - there's still a number around but there's always older people around - they won't be retiring in massive numbers and leaving us without workers. We don't need to be bringing in half a million a year to replace those ones.

As you say tho - in the skilled markets, upper management and the like there's going to be a bit of a loss as the 60's - 65's who haven't retired already finally do, but not all that bad.

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

Exactly.

I mean if a city like Winnipeg has enough housing for 750,000 people, and current population figures have the population at 850,000, that means that housing is needed for 100,000 people. That will drive the prices of housing up substantially. It will also increase the homeless population, and stress the education system, health care, and infrastructure.

There can be no doubt.

CdnFox · November 25, 2023

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Disagree to your heart's content, you're wrong. And seeing someone wearing pants outside a club doesn't change that.. Have you seen for example the near riots that are the palestinian demonstrations? The parental rights march? Did you notice that the emergency act was activated recently?

You can say that the sun rises in the west to your hearts content but it's wrong.

CdnFox · November 25, 2023

48 minutes ago, August1991 said:

We Canadians are good at getting different people to get along.

No, we're not. We used to be but we are not. The west hates quebec. Quebec hates pretty much everyone. Ontario looks down on alberta who in turn would love to see ontario burn to the ground.

Trudeau ended the era of canadians getting along.

We USED to have a great system for immigrants that worked better than anywhere in the world - but trudeau shut that down to raise the numbers.

Sorry - we suck at people getting along and frankly you should probably consider slippers.

NAME REMOVED · November 25, 2023

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

You misunderstand me.

We Canadians are good at getting different people to get along.

And no one is born knowing how to tie a shoe lace.

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This is not Clinton village BS. We Canadians get along.

We're not going to "get along" if there is not enough housing. Besides, Canadians being better at "getting along" with each other, better than other countries is a myth. Just ask some Indigenous people if you do not believe me.

NAME REMOVED · November 25, 2023

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, we're not. We used to be but we are not. The west hates quebec. Quebec hates pretty much everyone. Ontario looks down on alberta who in turn would love to see ontario burn to the ground.

Trudeau ended the era of canadians getting along.

We USED to have a great system for immigrants that worked better than anywhere in the world - but trudeau shut that down to raise the numbers.

Sorry - we suck at people getting along and frankly you should probably consider slippers.

It's always been like this to a certain extent. The West has always been weary of Ottawa. This is not a new thing. distrust of places like Toronto and Ottawa area s old as Confederation.

And yes, Trudeau is foolish for allowing double the amount of immigrants that we can sustain.

Zeitgeist · November 25, 2023

4 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

That explains why tens of thousands of Canadians (especially young people), are moving away from Vancouver and Toronto, to other parts of Canada (mainly Alberta, and the East Coast), since they are being priced out of the market. In spite what you think, the vast majority of young people cannot afford home prices on average of $1.1 million, or spend $3,000/month on one bedroom suites.

This is why Edmonton and especially Calgary are seeing a huge influx of people from Toronto and Vancouver moving there, considering wages are higher in Alberta, taxes are lower, and housing prices are cheaper. The result is that the average one bedroom apartment in Calgary has gone from $1200/month in 2020, to $1750/month today.

Pretty soon, this will destroy the economy, as most people will spend nearly 1/2 of their income paying for housing or rent, and not be able to afford to go out and eat, or have any money for entertainment or luxury items.

Exactly. It’s about quality of life and living standards. GDP per person is falling. Our living standards are falling. What’s more, Canadian values of meritocracy and upward mobility through hard work are being undermined by various forms of central planning, which divides the population into various preferred victim groups (“deserving” recipients of handouts according to equity checklists) versus designated oppressor groups (“privileged” settler colonialists who are basically the early immigrants to Canada and their descendants). The government is dividing the population based on socialist social engineering schemes to redistribute wealth. Ultimately this destroys free markets, opportunity, and our meritocracy. It strips away the American/Canadian Dream of anyone from any background working hard and seeing that hard work pay off, making home ownership and prosperity less accessible.

Canada is at risk of killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Our infrastructure, housing supply, and ability to absorb people with cultural values that conflict with the Canadian way of life are stretched beyond what is reasonable. Basically we’re running the risk of downgrading Canada in fundamental ways.

On the other hand, the left has brought this situation upon themselves through naivety. They now don’t understand why we can no longer speak freely for fear of cancellation or why people feel that their traditional values are being compromised beyond recognition.

Well, we’ve imported conflicts from overseas and we’ve told ourselves and our children exaggerated stories about how colonial and oppressive Canada is, so we’ve basically given away the farm to people whose values don’t even align with the prosperous and free country we once knew.

We’re not allowed to be French or English or white or of European ancestry or Jewish or Christian or capitalist or even democratic, because these run counter to the settler colonialist oppressor narrative that our own federal government and Human Rights Tribunal promulgates. It’s why we now see protesters and universities supporting terrorist organizations. It’s why China is influencing policy in Canada in significant ways. Basically our own governments stopped valuing Canadian-ness. Now it’s about reparations and apologies and letting in as many people as possible to fluff up demand and growth while actually making life harder for individuals and families.

I won’t even get into the environmental impacts of rampant immigration or how social tensions are undermining unrealistic notions of equity, diversity, and inclusion. Our activist government doesn’t see how these policies undermine their own ideology about fighting climate change and social harmony. People are over-taxed, figuratively and literally. The system is overstretched. It’s why we have inflation and can’t provide the goods and services that Canadians need and want.

Edited November 25, 2023 by Zeitgeist

CdnFox · November 25, 2023

34 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

It's always been like this to a certain extent. The West has always been weary of Ottawa. This is not a new thing. distrust of places like Toronto and Ottawa area s old as Confederation.

The west hated "ontario". And "quebec". Not the people.

Sure, there's always been that resentment - trudeau (first one) raped the hell out of alberta to buy votes in ontario. That pissed them off. I remember my grandad and mom talking about how they could only ship turkeys east at xmas becasue it wasn't woth it any other time of the year because it cost more to ship goods east by rail than it did to ship goods west to protect ontario industries. Lots of resentment on the praries for that too.

But now, it's not the same. And it's getting worse. People are becoming less tolerant, quicker to anger, less sympathetic and more aggressive.

Nationalist · November 25, 2023

7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

lol

Fort McMurray would literally be a ghost town if it were not for the oil sands. The population of the town peaked at about 90,000 in 2014. In the past decade, the population has fallen by 20,000 people due to the oil price crash. This is the same with any Northern community. People only live there due to mining and extraction. There are virtually no secondary industries to support the population once mines close, or oil prices drop.

Then it would be a good idea to allow all mining up north.

NAME REMOVED · November 25, 2023

53 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But now, it's not the same. And it's getting worse. People are becoming less tolerant, quicker to anger, less sympathetic and more aggressive.

That is mainly due to social media.

CdnFox · November 25, 2023

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

That is mainly due to social media.

You may well have a point there.

BeaverFever · November 26, 2023

On 11/25/2023 at 1:50 AM, CdnFox said:

The baby boomers have pretty much all retired. We've already gone through that - we're coming out the other side of it now. There aren't that many boomers left compared to what we started with, and they are all pretty much out of the workforce.

Many are still working. The youngest boomers are only 60 and many older ones are working past retirement age voluntarily or out of financial necessity. I don’t think we have fully felt their absence yet.

On 11/25/2023 at 1:50 AM, CdnFox said:

Doesn't change the fact that you cannot bring in more than you can house, educate, and provide healthcare for.

Look around you for god's sake. People are paying 50 percent of their incomes in rent. And it's getting worse. People like you are worried about climate change 100 years from now but you're turning a blind eye to the facet that in 10 years our homeless population could reach close to 10 - 20 percent? You dont realize what that means to our society?

And the new people aren't filling qualified jobs, they're filling low end jobs.

This myth that if we don't import massive numbers we won't have workers is utterly stupid. And what is happening is that businesses don't invest in making the workers they do have more productive, which destroys our gdp per capita and lowers our standard of living.

We cannot bring in more than we can afford to house, teach and cure. Nothing you can say changes that, nothing ever will.

I never said we can have unlimited immigration and I never said that the current immigration levels are working. There’s clearly a mismatch between what we want to see happen and what is happening. We do have a shrinking aging native population that necessitates immigration but clearly we don’t have all the pieces of the puzzle to make it work.

Business in Canada never has been particularly invested in making workers more productive because Canadian businesses are very conventional and unimaginative The only things they can think of when it comes to productivity is replacing workers with automation or making workers work longer hours (the latter only increasing total output but not efficiency) This is because economically Canada is still a backwater colony dominated by branch-plant subsidiaries of foreign companies, primary industries that exist simply to export unprocessed raw materials to more powerful nations, and nom-competitive monopolies and oligopolies “Innovation” is not part of their game

Mostly governments and businesses have ignored the decades old problem of foreign engineers driving taxis but eventually I think once they have no choice they will magically find a way to formally recognize and validate more foreign training and experience or upgrade it to Canadian standards

PS Climate change isn’t 100 years from now it is now.

CdnFox · November 26, 2023

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Many are still working. The youngest boomers are only 60 and many older ones are working past retirement age voluntarily or out of financial necessity. I don’t think we have fully felt their absence yet.

Many are but most are not.

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I never said we can have unlimited immigration and I never said that the current immigration levels are working.

Nobody claimed you said either of those things. Sometimes it feels like you go out of your way to look like a m0r0n.

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There’s clearly a mismatch between what we want to see happen and what is happening. We do have a shrinking aging native population that necessitates immigration but clearly we don’t have all the pieces of the puzzle to make it work.

We absolutely have all the pieces of the puzzle. We have since 2006, which is when we made the last series of changes. Really we were at the point of fine tuning.

Trudeau has thrown all of that out the window.

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Business in Canada never has been particularly invested in making workers more productive because Canadian businesses are very conventional and unimaginative The only things they can think of when it comes to productivity is replacing workers with automation or making workers work longer hours (the latter only increasing total output but not efficiency)

That was one of your least intelligent posts.

First off - the use of automation IS one of the better forms of productivity enhancement and you're pretending it isn't. If a customer goes to a webpage and fill out a form instead of paying someone who's taking it over the phone - that's more efficient. Now you can have the same number of employees doing more word and making more profits which enables you to pay them more money.

And working more hours has zero to do with productivity. At the end of the day for whatever hours they work, they produce ex results. So you don't even know what you're talking about.

The three problems with productivty are

1) unions, who absolutely do not want productivity and actively fight against it (it means fewer workers in their teeny tiny little minds and that's less money for them) And we are a heavily unionized country,

2) nobody in their right minds wants to invest tonnes into productivity here because the gov't tend to tax it into oblivion unless you're their buddy, the market's too small to bother without incentive, and it's a regulatory mess - people invest here to strip out as much as they can for as cheap as they can, REAL investment happens elsewhere. Small and medium businesses are under fire from the gov't (remember when trudeau decided to tax small businesses to be 'fair'?) and they can't afford to invest in tech that would make them more efficient and the gov't punishes them if they try.

and of course 3) the feds protect industries that they like and who donate and that lack of competition means those businesses don't HAVE to get innovative to make money.

In short, it's not businesses lacking creativity. That's stupid. anyone can look around the world where virtually EVERYONE is doing it better and see how they COULD improve.

But they don't need to (gov't protects them) or they can't/don't want to (govt punishes them) and the unions won't let them if they did want to and need to.

Edited November 26, 2023 by CdnFox

August1991 · November 27, 2023

On 11/25/2023 at 4:41 AM, Zeitgeist said:

.... It’s about quality of life and living standards. GDP per person is falling. Our living standards are falling.....

Not true.

Real GDP per capita has increased 1.5x over the past 50 years. Our Gini co-efficient for income is constant.

Median real income per household is rising - while household size is falling.

We now have a net positive migration (in the past, foreigners used Canada as a way to America).

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For centuries, we Canadians have voted across religious lines - and for decades, if not centuries, we've married outsiders: Mulroney and Poilievre are examples.

Edited November 27, 2023 by August1991

August1991 · November 27, 2023

On 11/25/2023 at 1:50 AM, CdnFox said:

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Doesn't change the fact that you cannot bring in more than you can house, educate, and provide healthcare for.

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Zero-sum thinking.

Zeitgeist · November 27, 2023

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

Not true.

Real GDP per capita has increased 1.5x over the past 50 years. Our Gini co-efficient for income is constant.

Median real income per household is rising - while household size is falling.

We now have a net positive migration (in the past, foreigners used Canada as a way to America).

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For centuries, we Canadians have voted across religious lines - and for decades, if not centuries, we've married outsiders: Mulroney and Poilievre are examples.

You can Google it for yourself:

”On a per-person basis, Canadian GDP has now declined for four straight quarters. ”

Edited November 27, 2023 by Zeitgeist

Legato · November 27, 2023

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

Not true.

Real GDP per capita has increased 1.5x over the past 50 years. Our Gini co-efficient for income is constant.

Median real income per household is rising - while household size is falling.

We now have a net positive migration (in the past, foreigners used Canada as a way to America).

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For centuries, we Canadians have voted across religious lines - and for decades, if not centuries, we've married outsiders: Mulroney and Poilievre are examples.

But when adjusting for the rising population, Canada’s real GDP per capita has been deteriorating for many years (chart 3). At the start of the 1980s, Canada enjoyed an edge against the average of advanced economies of almost US$4,000 while keeping fairly level with U.S. estimates. By 2000, this advantage had all but evaporated, and U.S. per capita GDP had pulled ahead of Canada’s to the tune of over US$8,000. Still, since the 2014-15 oil shock, Canada’s performance has gone from bad to worse. Canadian real GDP per capita has grown at a meagre rate of only +0.4% annually, paling in comparison to the advanced economy average of +1.4%.

https://economics.td.com/ca-falling-behind-standard-of-living-curve

BeaverFever · November 27, 2023

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We absolutely have all the pieces of the puzzle. We have since 2006, which is when we made the last series of changes. Really we were at the point of fine tuning.

No that’s not what I meant. Immigration policy is only part of the puzzle. Private sector employers, professional associations, universities for example don’t have their act together when it comes to recognizing, validating or upgrading foreign credentials. So you get these doctors and engineers delivering pizzas and driving taxis because we admit them based on their professional credentials but then when they get here employers and professional associations etc don’t know what to do with them and don’t have the time or interest to look into it.

For example Doug Fords conservative government only just this month banned employers from requiring Canadian work experience as part of the initial application.

I certain that in the coming years just about every academic department in just about every post secondary school will have a fast-track program to validate:upgrade foreign-educated immigrants and issue Canadian credentials and Im sure skilled trade groups will eventually come up with something similar.

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That was one of your least intelligent posts.

First off - the use of automation IS one of the better forms of productivity enhancement and you're pretending it isn't. If a customer goes to a webpage and fill out a form instead of paying someone who's taking it over the phone - that's more efficient. Now you can have the same number of employees doing more word and making more profits which enables you to pay them more money.

And working more hours has zero to do with productivity. At the end of the day for whatever hours they work, they produce ex results. So you don't even know what you're talking about.

Nope you just misunderstand and have completely lost track of the topic amd then in typical CdnFox fashion you not only attacked me based on your misunderstanding but even when I specifically said longer hours don’t increase efficiency but you falsely accuse me of getting that wrong only to basically say the same thing I did. Lets take a pause here to reflect on how you get emotionally triggered on here and start speed-reading, missing things, posting in knee-jerk reaction before you even finish reading the sentence and don’t even absorb the point or context of what you’re reading

OK, continuing on….

1) I never said automation is bad or doesn’t improve corporate productivity. Remember your point was about businesses being discouraged from investing to make workers more productive. These are 2 different things and companies online really care about the first thing When a company talks about making your work “more productive” they only mean making the work you do more cost efficient for their benefit , not more time efficient for your benefit

2) I said Canadian businesses don’t invest to make workers more productive. They invest in unoriginal ideas like automation and longer work hours. I even said longer work hours only boost output not efficiency but you clearly missed that. I’l expand on that further only by saying that when productivity is measured in dollars of output vs dollars of input, and the company wishes to boost output it’s usually more productive to have existing employees work longer hours than to hire additional employees. That’s especially true for salaried roles where you don’t have to pay employees extra by the hour. They can just say “these are your new performance targets” and employees will work late as needed just to meet them

3)Automation tends to eliminate workers it doesn’t necessarily make them more productive. In your example when a customer contact centre is automated the employees are usually just laid off, they’re rarely retrained to become engineers or sales managers etc. And automation tends to mostly affect low pay-low skill jobs so the company’s overall productivity isn’t improved outside of sectors like manufacturing and mining and the like that employ lots of low skill workers.

4) my overall point is that for generations, Canadian companies have always been notorious for not investing and for the “productivity gap”. There’s always some excuse based on current events but it’s simply a cultural problem because our economy is dominated by foreign ownership, natural resources and near-monopolies and therefore our business culture has developed small-minded provincial, parochial mindset.

CdnFox · November 27, 2023

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No that’s not what I meant. Immigration policy is only part of the puzzle. Private sector employers, professional associations, universities for example don’t have their act together when it comes to recognizing, validating or upgrading foreign credentials.

doesn't change the underlying isssue - even if they did we still coudln't bring in more than we have homes for.

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Nope you just misunderstand and have completely lost track of the topic amd then in typical CdnFox fashion blah blah rant rant

Why is it whenever you say something particularly stupid and it gets pointed out it's my fault

Kid- there's no misunderstanding. It was a dumb thing to say. And rather than just own it you blame me for the fact you said soemthing stupid and then try to change what you said.

You being a tard and saying dumb things is NOT my fault. Talk to your parents.

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I never said automation is bad or doesn’t improve corporate productivity.

I appreciate you're trying to change the channel away from your previous stupidity, but this is just more stupidity. Nobody said anything about 'worker' or 'corporate' productivity and you're just being a m0r0n to cover up the fact you were being a m0r0n.

In the context of this discussion - productivity is productivity. You're trying to introduce "profitability' as if it was a synonym for 'productivity' and it's not. your point is not only irrelevant, it's childish. If you can't keep up, let me know and we'll talk about lego or something you can relate to

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I said Canadian businesses don’t invest to make workers more productive.

See the point above.

And longer hours do not boost productivity. Productivity is how much can be produced with an hour's work, to dumb it down to your level. So working an extra hour may imporove out put - but not productivy. Producing more within the same time period would be an increase in productivity. Yeash.

Automation eliminates workers who we doing low profit work. That allows more money and resources to be put into higher value people - which creates more high value positions and tends to make the higher value people more productive which means productivity per person rises.

I'll try to keep this simple. THe more wages, resources, investment etc that goes into the higher value jobs - and the higher the value those jobs are, the more productive over all our economy is. Eliminating lower paying jobs in favour of higher paying jobs increases productivity.

So automation is a KEY element. It provides less resources to 'McJobs" and more real money making endevors which makes the people doing those endevors more valueable and thus can be paid more and pay more in taxes and spend more money in the economy and our standard of life goes up.

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my overall point is that for generations, Canadian companies have always been notorious for not investing and for the “productivity gap”.

And you're wrong. Period.

Until the mid 90's we did just as well as anyone else. It's only since then that we've screwed it up. about 3 -4 decades, not 'generations'.

And it is for the reasons I've stated.

This isn't complex or 'opinon' - this is what happened. And since jutin a deteriorating situation has simply nosedived right the hell down, and now we're in severe trouble with massive debt that will badly hamper our ability to change things.