61 Attacks on US Bases in Iraq and Syria Since Oct 7th - Biden's Retaliation Plans Leaked - DO NOT SHARE THIS!!!!

WestCanMan · November 24, 2023

Hodad · November 24, 2023

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're missing the most important part...

After his deal with the Taliban, no American soldiers in Afghanistan were killed for the last 18 months of Trump's presidency.

Is anything more important than that?

That's a lie, as had been pointed out to you many times. The man is a pathological liar. Don't believe a word he says.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-afghanistan-idUSL2N2X92S8/#:~:text=Trump's claim that no U.S.,The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

Nationalist · November 24, 2023

15 hours ago, Hodad said:

WTF is wrong with you? That's factual history, not an opinion. Trump (via Pompeo) met with the Taliban and unilaterally made a deal to leave the country to them and do a full withdrawal. There were about 13,000 troops in the country when Trump made the deal--enough to keep the Taliban in check.

After his deal with the Taliban, Trump started drawing down troops. He actually publicly announced that they would all be home by Christmas 2020, four months before the May date he agreed to leave, but they couldn't pull it off.

Remember, this is a man who thought he would get a second term and would finish the withdrawal himself. By the last months of the Trump administration there were just 2500 troops in country and Taliban violence was ramping up.

Biden came into office to find that there really was no plan for that final exit and extended thr final withdrawal date. That pissed off the Talies and there weren't enough troops left to keep them in check. So the Taliban started taking what Trump had given them and the exit turned into a shit show.

^^^Those are all facts. If you want to say that the US withdrawal from Afghanistan was a surrender to the Taliban, it's 100% true that it was Trump who did the surrendering.

Biden also planned to exit Afghanistan if Trump hadn't, but Trump negotiated with the Taliban and removed the bulk of the troops. Frankly, it was going to end in some version of shit show regardless of who was in office for the final stage of withdrawal. The Taliban never had any intention of doing anything other than retaking the country. They escalated violence while Trump was still in the white house. The only way to reassert control would have been surging troops back in, and neither Biden nor Trump was going to do that.

I'm not sure how you missed all that recent history, but next time you talk about us "surrending" you'll know the guy you're talking about is Trump.

Incredible. You and @robosmith will say anything, no matter how stupid, to place the blame for Biden's surrender and complete failure, on anyone but where it belongs...on Biden's head.

And you do it all with such conviction. Almost like you actually believe this crap.

WestCanMan · November 24, 2023

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

That's a lie, as had been pointed out to you many times. The man is a pathological liar. Don't believe a word he says.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-afghanistan-idUSL2N2X92S8/#:~:text=Trump's claim that no U.S.,The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

The quote I heard was that "in the 18 months after he negotiated an end to the war, "the Taliban" never killed any soldiers".

There were 19 servicemen killed in those 18 months. I don't know how they died but if it wasn't in "attacks by the Taliban", Trump was correct.

There were 9 or 11 military deaths (action) total in his last year in office, depending on what source you cite. That's actually amazing, and he didn't leave behind any wars that he started for Biden.

In the last 17 months before Joe's debacle there were only 4 deaths of US servicemen by hostile action. It was winding down perfectly. It was actually Al Qaeda prisoners that Biden let out of the Bagram AFB jail who committed the attack that killed 13 servicemen in during the debacle.

Biden came in with a clean slate and gave rise to wars in Europe and the ME.

Edited November 24, 2023 by WestCanMan

Hodad · November 24, 2023

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Incredible. You and @robosmith will say anything, no matter how stupid, to place the blame for Biden's surrender and complete failure, on anyone but where it belongs...on Biden's head.

And you do it all with such conviction. Almost like you actually believe this crap.

All of that IS true. You can look it up anywhere. You are such a simpering sub. You'll deny black and white factual history- no matter how stupid it makes you look- just to eat Trump's ass. And he's not even your president, lol. Have some dignity.

robosmith · November 24, 2023

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Incredible. You and @robosmith will say anything, no matter how stupid, to place the blame for Biden's surrender and complete failure, on anyone but where it belongs...on Biden's head.

And you do it all with such conviction. Almost like you actually believe this crap.

^He says WITH ZERO evidence, while totally IGNORING the FACT that Trump negotiated the US surrender to the Taliban WITHOUT involvement of the Afghan government upon whom HE WAS RELYING to keep the Taliban in check.

Nationalist · November 24, 2023

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

All of that IS true. You can look it up anywhere. You are such a simpering sub. You'll deny black and white factual history- no matter how stupid it makes you look- just to eat Trump's ass. And he's not even your president, lol. Have some dignity.

Who executed the exist from Afghanistan? That's right...the Commander in Chief. That would be...Joe Biden.

Now cart you condescending and seething lies elsewhere. You're bullshit is tiresome and you're only embarrassing yourself now.

Edited November 24, 2023 by Nationalist

Hodad · November 24, 2023

12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Who executed the exist from Afghanistan? That's right...the Commander in Chief. That would be...Joe Biden.

No cart you condescending and seething lies elsewhere. You're bullshit is tiresome and you're only embarrassing yourself now.

Who made the unilateral deal with the Taliban for the US to leave Afghanistan (what you call a "surrender"?

Who removed 80% of the troops?

Who had already tried to to remove the rest, but didn't get it done?

If Trump had won the election and finished the last 2500 troops as he intended would you be snidely calling it a surrender? Of course not. You'd be celebrating it as a great move, because you don't do any thinking. You just shake your pom poms and anything Trump does and wag your finger at anything Democrats do.

What you're arguing is incredibly stupid. This was Trump's deal. The "surrender" was done before Biden ever took office. The only thing Biden could have done to undo the Trump "surrender" is pour troops back into the country. Nobody wanted that and you'd be howling twice as loud if he had, you hack.

Edited November 24, 2023 by Hodad

Nationalist · November 24, 2023

26 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Who made the unilateral deal with the Taliban for the US to leave Afghanistan (what you call a "surrender"?

Who removed 80% of the troops?

Who had already tried to to remove the rest, but didn't get it done?

If Trump had won the election and finished the last 2500 troops as he intended would you be snidely calling it a surrender? Of course not. You'd be celebrating it as a great move, because you don't do any thinking. You just shake your pom poms and anything Trump does and wag your finger at anything Democrats do.

What you're arguing is incredibly stupid. This was Trump's deal. The "surrender" was done before Biden ever took office. The only thing Biden could have done to undo the Trump "surrender" is pour troops back into the country. Nobody wanted that and you'd be howling twice as loud if he had, you hack.

It's really incredible how willing you are to be a twit.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/pentagon-leaders-austin-milley-face-questions-chaotic-afghanistan-withdrawal-n1280230

Biden owns this complete failure and you...are a liar.!

CdnFox · November 24, 2023

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Who made the unilateral deal with the Taliban for the US to leave Afghanistan

And who screwed up the implementation?

At the end of the day - the guy in charge when the trigger gets pulled has the responsibility. Period'. If it was a bad deal you pull out - biden pulled out of other deals with allies that he didn't like. He didn't wait 10 seconds to cancel deals with Canada.

And - again it's about how you do it.

Biden is 100 percent responsible for what happened in Afghanistan. Nobody else. Not bush for sending them there, not trump for initially negotiating the exit. Biden was the guy at the helm and had the final decision making powers and blew it and got a lot of people killed.

Sorry - but lying about it doesn't help.

Hodad · November 24, 2023

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It's really incredible how willing you are to be a twit.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/pentagon-leaders-austin-milley-face-questions-chaotic-afghanistan-withdrawal-n1280230

Biden owns this complete failure and you...are a liar.!

Trump literally made a formal deal, in writing, "surrendering" to the Taliban. It's there for you and all the world to see and read, and you're going to sit there and pretend he didn't "surrender"?

Again, that level of abject, fawning toadyism is just soooo gross. It's pitiable, honestly, to debase yourself so eagerly and willingly. He's never going to love you back. Seek counseling.

Nationalist · November 25, 2023

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Trump literally made a formal deal, in writing, "surrendering" to the Taliban. It's there for you and all the world to see and read, and you're going to sit there and pretend he didn't "surrender"?

Again, that level of abject, fawning toadyism is just soooo gross. It's pitiable, honestly, to debase yourself so eagerly and willingly. He's never going to love you back. Seek counseling.

Good gravey...what a fine example of TDS. You Tweenkies are really obscene.

CdnFox · November 25, 2023

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

rump literally made a formal deal, in writing, "surrendering" to the Taliban.

No he did not. Show me the text of the deal where he 'surrenders". What a bald faced lie.

Hodad · November 25, 2023

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Good gravey...what a fine example of TDS. You Tweenkies are really obscene.

Sure, that's why you can't cite a single damn fact to refute any of it, Hostess Cupcakes. Just blather "but, but, but..." You're helpless and hopeless. ?

Edited November 25, 2023 by Hodad

CdnFox · November 25, 2023

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Sure, that's why you can't cite a single damn fact to refute any of it,

Refute a document YOU claim exists? Show us this "surrender document". Or admit you were lying.

Nationalist · November 25, 2023

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

Sure, that's why you can't cite a single damn fact to refute any of it, Hostess Cupcakes. Just blather "but, but, but..." You're helpless and hopeless. ?

Psst...Dweebles...only the most TDS infected minds can make the argument you're making.

As I said, it's obscene how easily you dweebs lie.

Next you'll be screaming that Majorkis is doing a great job and the border crisis is Trumps fault too.

No honor whatsoever.

Edited November 25, 2023 by Nationalist

Hodad · November 25, 2023

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Psst...Dweebles...only the most TDS infected minds can make the argument you're making.

As I said, it's obscene how easily you dweebs lie.

Next you'll be screaming that Majorkis is doing a great job and the border crisis is Trumps fault too.

No honor whatsoever.

What was that? I can't quite understand you. Perhaps if you stopped gargling Trump's balls it would help.

The people responsible for what you call a "surrender" are obviously the people who negotiated and signed the"surrender" agreement and then tried to remove 100% of the Troops but only managed to get 80% out.

While we're here, maybe you'd like to give Biden credit for other stuff Trump did. Hm. Did Biden pardon Paul Manafort and other Trump cronies? Is Biden actually responsible for the Trump tax cuts. In your fevered lovesick mind, I suppose anything could make sense.

Edited November 25, 2023 by Hodad

Nationalist · November 25, 2023

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

What was that? I can't quite understand you. Perhaps if you stopped gargling Trump's balls it would help.

The people responsible for what you call a "surrender" are obviously the people who negotiated and signed the"surrender" agreement and then tried to remove 100% of the Troops but only managed to get 80% out.

While we're here, maybe you'd like to give Biden credit for other stuff Trump did. Hm. Did Biden pardon Paul Manafort and other Trump cronies? Is Biden actually responsible for the Trump tax cuts. In your fevered lovesick mind, I suppose anything could make sense.

Lol...

CdnFox · November 25, 2023

43 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I can't quite understand

Should be carved on your tombstone.

WestCanMan · November 25, 2023

21 hours ago, Hodad said:

Trump literally made a formal deal, in writing, "surrendering" to the Taliban. It's there for you and all the world to see and read, and you're going to sit there and pretend he didn't "surrender"?

Again, that level of abject, fawning toadyism is just soooo gross. It's pitiable, honestly, to debase yourself so eagerly and willingly. He's never going to love you back. Seek counseling.

Trump literally made a deal where the US was withdrawing and the Afghan gov't remained in place.

The Taliban didn't launch any attacks against US forces in the last 18 months of Trump's presidency.

It became a surrender when Biden angered the Taliban by unilaterally changing the deal, pulling troops out too quickly (Obama-style, apparently he didn't learn from Iraq), abandoning Bagram and emptying its prison without informing his allies about it, and trying to do a sketchy, hasty, poorly planned withdrawal from an indefensible airport.

There are two types of withdrawals: tactical withdrawals and debacles. That's it. One or the other. When everyone just goes heels, it always ends badly.

Biden's foolish decisions and lack of coordination with his allies put everything into complete chaos, and was a force multiplier for the Taliban, who easily seized the moment.

This is like if Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana played a chess game and then you took over for Magnus after 80 moves, when he was in a winning position. at that point it's basically mate in 3 for Caruana... In this case, Biden traded his queen for a pawn when he ditched Bagram, and all of his pieces stopped working together when he cut his allies from the loop and just started abandoning everything all at the same time.

It's like part of Biden's strategy was leaving so many valuable weapons behind that the Taliban would be too busy hauling away loot to advance.

Nationalist · November 26, 2023

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Should be carved on your tombstone.

Along with " I'll be back"

Hodad · November 26, 2023

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump literally made a deal where the US was withdrawing and the Afghan gov't remained in place.

The Taliban didn't launch any attacks against US forces in the last 18 months of Trump's presidency.

It became a surrender when Biden angered the Taliban by unilaterally changing the deal, pulling troops out too quickly (Obama-style, apparently he didn't learn from Iraq), abandoning Bagram and emptying its prison without informing his allies about it, and trying to do a sketchy, hasty, poorly planned withdrawal from an indefensible airport.

There are two types of withdrawals: tactical withdrawals and debacles. That's it. One or the other. When everyone just goes heels, it always ends badly.

Biden's foolish decisions and lack of coordination with his allies put everything into complete chaos, and was a force multiplier for the Taliban, who easily seized the moment.

This is like if Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana played a chess game and then you took over for Magnus after 80 moves, when he was in a winning position. at that point it's basically mate in 3 for Caruana... In this case, Biden traded his queen for a pawn when he ditched Bagram, and all of his pieces stopped working together when he cut his allies from the loop and just started abandoning everything all at the same time.

It's like part of Biden's strategy was leaving so many valuable weapons behind that the Taliban would be too busy hauling away loot to advance.

You are perfectly welcome to criticize the execution of the final stage of withdrawal. Some of those criticisms will be valid (obviously it wasn't flawless) and some of them will be nonsense.

If you also want to call it a "surrender" that happened when the Trump administration made their deal exclusively with the Taliban and the only condition not to attack US forces (though 15 still were killed by hostiles, about the same rate as every recent year). There was no condition not to attack Afghan forces, and indeed, the Taliban ramped up their attacks and began re-conquering the country as soon as the ink was dry. The Trump administration didn't have any reaction to that because it's exactly what was implicit in the agreement, exactly what everyone expected. The deal was, in essence, "We'll leave and you can have the country back, as long as you don't attack us on our way out." Surrender was Nationalist's claim, not mine, but that's as close to an explicit surrender as you're going to see.

Trump left Biden with a surging Taliban--one now legitimized by the US government --2500 troops in country, and no plan for an end game that was just months away. I suppose Trump was too busy bungling the Covid response to close his plan.

Like a pinch hitter in a game that's out of reach, Biden didn't pull off any miraculous save, but the game was lost before he ever took a swing. Could they have done better? Probably. But not much. The only real option to "not surrender" at that point would be to surge 15 or 20 thousand troops back in and start re-taking, city-by-city the territory that Trump abandoned. Just not realistic. No one has appetite for that.

The Trump administration negotiated and signed the deal. They empowered the Taliban. They excluded and undercut the Afghan government. And they pulled out nearly all the troops. If you guys want to call it a surrender, that was the surrender, not Biden trying to clean up the final piece with a token military force that was left behind as, essentially, a rear guard

Edited November 26, 2023 by Hodad