Israel is occupying Arab land? Seriously?

[reason10]

Are these ragheads just plain STUPID, or are they just NAZIS who want to wipe out the entire JEWISH faith?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

Are these ragheads just plain STUPID, or are they just NAZIS who want to wipe out the entire JEWISH faith?

1) Could you use a different word ffs?

2) Their claim is based on the fact that the area now referred to as "Israel" was part of the Ottoman Empire for several centuries, so it was under islamic rule, and then it was Palestine after it was liberated, which was predominantly a muslim nation. 

The muslims did their best to prevent Jews from immigrating to Palestine, thus preventing the Jews from becoming the largest population there, but then the mandate came from Britain/the UN splitting the country in two. 

About 2/3 of the population was still muslim at the time, and about 700K muslims left what was newly named Israel. 

Some of them chose to move temporarily, believing the promises of the neighbouring states that the Nation of Israel would not last, the majority were forced out.

At the same time, almost a million Jews were forced out of the Arab countries that they lived in, and they went to Israel, where they fully integrated.

Very few of the muslims that were forced out of Israel never integrated into any other countries as full citizens. 

In Jordan they had to expel 300,000 Palestinians because they sided with the Syrian gov't in an attempt to overthrow the gov't. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

Israel is occupying Arab land? Seriously?

More specifically Palestinian land. What's left is considerably smaller than Israel and shrinking.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Israel is occupying Arab land? Seriously?

More specifically Palestinian land. What's left is considerably smaller than Israel and shrinking.

The ancient Kingdom of Israel was considerably smaller than the land called Israel today.

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12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

 

2) Their claim is based on the fact that the area now referred to as "Israel" was part of the Ottoman Empire for several centuries, so it was under islamic rule, and then it was Palestine after it was liberated, which was predominantly a muslim nation. 

The muslims did their best to prevent Jews from immigrating to Palestine, thus preventing the Jews from becoming the largest population there, but then the mandate came from Britain/the UN splitting the country in two. 

Palestine was never "liberated." The British defeated the Ottomans during the First World War, to occupy the area. The Balfour Declaration was put forth in 1917, promising Palestine as a future Jewish homeland.  However, due to the rise of Nazism, and the threat of war, the British resinded on the promise of a Jewish homeland, and replaced it with the "White Paper," giving the land to the Arabs.

The purpose of the White Paper, was so that the Middle Eastern states that the British ruled over, would not side with Nazi Germany in the event of a war, since it was well known that the area had an abundance of oil reserves.  After World War 2 ended, the Haganah (future IDF) fought with the British and Arabs through guerrilla warfare to try and establish a Jewish state.  

The British, who were dismantling their Empire, decided to expedite things, by giving Palestine to the newly formed United Nations. The UN implemented a Partition Plan in 1947, dividing the land between Jews and Arabs. 

[Deluge]

13 hours ago, reason10 said:

Are these ragheads just plain STUPID, or are they just NAZIS who want to wipe out the entire JEWISH faith?

Well, they really want everyone either converted or dead, but they want the Jews just dead. 

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Israel is occupying Arab land? Seriously?

More specifically Palestinian land. What's left is considerably smaller than Israel and shrinking.

They really need to find another place to live. They've already proven that they can't play in the sandbox with Israel, so it's time for them to relocate. 

[Deluge]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

The ancient Kingdom of Israel was considerably smaller than the land called Israel today.

That's OK, because Israel today is considerably larger than the ancient kingdom of Israel. 

[reason10]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Israel is occupying Arab land? Seriously?

More specifically Palestinian land. What's left is considerably smaller than Israel and shrinking.

It was never Palestinian land because there was never such a country as Palestine. Those towelheads (since some are offended by the politically incorrect but accurate "ragheads") are neo Nazis who just want to  wipe out the Jews.

To bring you up to speed, Jordan kicked those Palestininan towelheads out, earlier on.

[CdnFox]

 Honestly - most of all this is nonsense.

Discussing what happened 2000 years ago is 1diotic.  Go get a map and tell me which country hasn't had it's borders changed or created or the like in the last 2000 years?  How many haven't changed in the last 500? 150 years ago Canada didn't exist - are we claiming it's not a nation?

And everybody took their land from somebody at some point.  Even first nations fought for land and territory. And all they really had was sharp stones and clubs - and they STILL fought over resources and territory. One of the largest land areas in the world and they were still  like "hey - terry over there is eating from my blueberry bush again, imma go whack him with this rock".

So putting aside that bit of stupidity - for whatever reason in the 1900's the UN decided it had control of taht area and could lawfully dispose of it, and did so . THe israelis in good faith too the land. It's their land.

Palestinians picked a few fights and a few wars and conquests later israel is bigger than it was - but that's perfectly legit.  You decide to go to war with someone and lose well... you might not have as much land after.

So this idea that it's not israeli land is pathetically dense.  It is . They're there. They're not going anywhere unless someone defeats them and nobody is in a position to do that.  And if you attack them, as always, if you lose the war you started you might not have as much land after as you did before.

It's time for palestinians to accept that and sit down and talk about how they're going to live in peace. at this point that isnt' going to happen overnight, there's going to be lots of trust issues for a while. But get started and the day will come when people can live without fear of an attack.

 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Palestine was never "liberated."

It was liberated from Ottoman rule.

The point being that, before that there wasn't a sovereign nation called "Palestine", "Israel", or anything else for centuries. That area was just a part of the Ottoman Empire back then, and subjected to codified islamic bigotry.

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The British, who were dismantling their Empire, decided to expedite things, by giving Palestine to the newly formed United Nations. The UN implemented a Partition Plan in 1947, dividing the land between Jews and Arabs. 

From the time that the British punted the Ottomans they referred to that area as 'Palestine', and it was still majority-muslim by quite a bit. About 1M muslims, half as many Jews (the vast majority of whom were newly immigrated within the last 40 years) and 100K Christians lived there in 1946.

At the point of partition, the area had been referred to as Palestine since British rule began.

So "Palestinians" refer back to a brief period of history from approx. WWI to 1947, when the British were in control, as a time when there was 1 big country known as Palestine, and then it was split to give the Jews a homeland. 

The area was under muslim rule for centuries, which they love, and it galls them to no end to see Jews have their own country in the Holy Land. The religious bigotry center of their brain is on full-hijack 24/7 because of it.

The Kumbaya story about "Everyone lived happily together for centuries before [insert BS date here]" was completely false.

It's like if the Jews banned hijabs and burkas there for centuries, banned muslims from going to Temple Mount that whole time, and then pretended that muslims were ecstatic about it. "We were the best of friends. They treated us like their favourite dog."

(FYI Jews weren't allowed to visit Temple Mount, which they created over 1,000 years before islam even existed, for about the last 1,000 years now)

Edited November 16, 2023 by WestCanMan

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Deluge said:

That's OK, because Israel today is considerably larger than the ancient kingdom of Israel. 

Not surprised that you're OK with large scale land theft. Fits the MAGA CULT to a 'T'.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

It was never Palestinian land because there was never such a country as Palestine. Those towelheads (since some are offended by the politically incorrect but accurate "ragheads") are neo Nazis who just want to  wipe out the Jews.

To bring you up to speed, Jordan kicked those Palestininan towelheads out, earlier on.

There was a land called Palestine from ANCIENT TIMES. The Kingdom of Israel was part of Palestine.

CIRCA 1895

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Not surprised that you're OK with large scale land theft. Fits the MAGA CULT to a 'T'.

And I'm not surprised that you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. 

The Israelis were there first, so it's best to just stfu about it. 

Go rejoice with your terrorist pals in the Middle East - you can swap stories about baby killing and fetus slaughter.

 

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

There was a land called Palestine from ANCIENT TIMES. The Kingdom of Israel was part of Palestine.

CIRCA 1895

Then Palestine of that time was comprised of Jews. 

Now calmly f*ck off.

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

And I'm not surprised that you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. 

The Israelis were there first, so it's best to just stfu about it. 

Go rejoice with your terrorist pals in the Middle East - you can swap stories about baby killing and fetus slaughter.

 

Then Palestine of that time was comprised of Jews. 

Now calmly f*ck off.

The Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Romans and most of the Jews fled. Some stayed with the Christians and Arabs in Palestine where Jesus was BORN.

Edited November 16, 2023 by robosmith

[Deluge]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Romans and most of the Jews fled. Some stayed with the Christians and Arabs in Palestine where Jesus was BORN.

And yet here they are, in 2023, kicking Palestinian ass. Isn't it glorious? 

He was born in Bethlehem. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Deluge

[Deluge]

Robobortion is pissed off because the Arab World can't exterminate the Jews and swallow up their tiny slice of land. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Not surprised that you're OK with large scale land theft. Fits the MAGA CULT to a 'T'.

Sure - after all, trump was working for the United Nations when they gave the land to Israel after all...   

You're such an !diot

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

And yet here they are, in 2023, kicking Palestinian ass. Isn't it glorious? 

He was born in Bethlehem. 

Yeah but i'm told mary and joseph were total birth-tourists and only had him there for the citizenship.

Hang on - i'm getting a pm from blackbird, be right back....

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18 hours ago, eyeball said:

Israel is occupying Arab land? Seriously?

More specifically Palestinian land. What's left is considerably smaller than Israel and shrinking.

The Palestinians never ruled the land.  There were only 200,000 people in that area 100 years before Israel became a state. Most Palestinians migrated to the area in the late 1800s/early 1900s. Before Israel was created, it was ruled by the British.  Before that, it was ruled by the Ottoman Empire for 400 years, and they completely neglected the region.

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2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Not surprised that you're OK with large scale land theft. Fits the MAGA CULT to a 'T'.

There are not many places on Earth where groups of people have not been fighting over land.

However, if you feel that strongly over "stolen land," you can always return the stolen Indigenous land that you reside on, and move out of Canada. 

[Rebound]

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

The Palestinians never ruled the land.  There were only 200,000 people in that area 100 years before Israel became a state. Most Palestinians migrated to the area in the late 1800s/early 1900s. Before Israel was created, it was ruled by the British.  Before that, it was ruled by the Ottoman Empire for 400 years, and they completely neglected the region.

All that said, there have been numerous agreements and understandings that there would be both a Jewish and a Muslim state, and the West Bank has been Palestinian territory which Israelis have been encroaching upon.  It is illegal under Israeli law and needs to stop.  

Mind you,  I say this as a lifelong supporter of Israel.  Many Israelis agree with my position; most, I think.  

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

And yet here they are, in 2023, kicking Palestinian ass. Isn't it glorious? 

He was born in Bethlehem. 

Bethlehem is in Palestine, lJIT.

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

Robobortion is pissed off because the Arab World can't exterminate the Jews and swallow up their tiny slice of land. 

Stop LYING A-HOLE.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Sure - after all, trump was working for the United Nations when they gave the land to Israel after all...   

You're such an !diot

You're the one who is LYING ^HERE, CdnLIAR.

[robosmith]

45 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

There are not many places on Earth where groups of people have not been fighting over land.

However, if you feel that strongly over "stolen land," you can always return the stolen Indigenous land that you reside on, and move out of Canada. 

Yeah, I've never lived in Canada, and no indigenous people have asked for the land I reside on. Duh

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3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Yeah, I've never lived in Canada, and no indigenous people have asked for the land I reside on. Duh

This applies to America too.