Pro Hamas LGBYQers

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

 These are perceived very differently by the other, Protestant, side in Northern Ireland. 

Okay but the Irish did want the English out of their land, which is what the objection is to Palestinians using it right?

I will read this article thanks for posting

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, Mako said:

Again you provide no evidence for your statements.

You’ve exposed yourself as a shameless liar.

You blame the victims without evidence.

The Israelis started the war decades ago when they engaged in ethnic cleansing. Period.

The only thing crystal clear is your status as a cheerleader for genocide.

I hope you are enjoying the thousands of dead children.

 

 

Ya know...I have some sympathy for the Palies but your arguments are pretty thin.

@CdnFox showed you that there have been no attacks by Israel targeting civilians. Yet you go on and on demanding proof he's already provided. 

From a purely impersonal point of view, the only way to end this war with Hamas once and for all, is to kill all of them.

I know how crass that prospect is, but it's the only way for Israel to ensure Hamas never attacks again.

Now...Israel has and does commit some pretty horrendous acts against Palies. Once the dust settles, it would be good to bring all that out into the open for the whole world to see and judge. But first, Israel must ensure the safety of their own citizens. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Okay but the Irish did want the English out of their land, which is what the objection is to Palestinians using it right?

I will read this article thanks for posting

Whatever it is, the Palestinian slogan not as explicit as this South African one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubul'_ibhunu

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/us/politics/river-to-the-sea-israel-gaza-palestinians.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Many insurgencies have similar sayings and songs. In Ireland, for example, people talk of Four Green Fields, A Nation Once Again, Our Day Will Come. These are perceived very differently by the other, Protestant, side in Northern Ireland. 

I read the article, and I don't think he belongs in the public sphere.  In other words, it's a statement that doesn't help any kind of dialogue

 

[Deluge]

On 11/8/2023 at 8:56 AM, Michael Hardner said:

So you think they shouldn't support Palestine because Muslims don't tolerate LGBTQ?

They can support whomever they want. The part that's odd is that they support a group of crazies that would just as soon see them dead. The perverts must have enough self awareness to understand this, so what is the appeal? Have leftists been brainwashed? 

 

[Legato]

6 minutes ago, Deluge said:

 Have leftists been brainwashed? 

 

That must be a rhetorical question.

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

That must be a rhetorical question.

the answer is yes. 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Mako said:

Maybe someday you’ll realize your bare assertions do not constitute evidence, but I doubt it.

Here’s evidence of ethnic cleansing, rape, and massacre you can pretend doesn’t exist.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2004/01/16/an-interview-with-benny-morris/

Maybe someday you'll realize you're an 1diot but i doubt it.

From your own source:

"But in an astonishing recent Ha’aretz interview, after summarizing his new research, Morris proceeds to argue for the necessity of ethnic cleansing in 1948. He faults David Ben-Gurion for failing to expel all Arab Israelis, and hints that it may be necessary to finish the job in the future."

So he literally argues that they weren't doing eithnic cleansing.

Rape happens in war on both sides and is criminal and prosecuted when it's discovered.  Unless you can point me to evidence that the Israeli gov't ORDERED soldiers to rape people then it's irrelevant.  Gaza DID ORDER the slaughter of civilians.

So - basically what you're trying to say is that because almost 100 years ago something happened, that means that today people who were not even alive there are comletely justified in raping and deliberately targeting civilians AND burning babies alive.

Dude - that makes you a monster. And the people of gaza are also monsters worse than the nazi's if they believe that.

Gaza started the war on oct 7th by deliberately intentionally targeting and slaughtering women and children and in some cases burning them alive.

 NOTHING - NOTHING that happened 100 years ago or even 50 years go or even 10 or 5 years ago justifies that behavior. It  is the behavior of monsters, not humans.

Israel has the right to self defense, and if there's a monster roaming about your country, you kill it.

THey will now destroy hamas, and anyone who gets in between them and that goal, and those people literally brought this on themselves.

Hamas should surrender tomorrow and spare it's people.

[reason10]

On 11/9/2023 at 7:59 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

You really need to read something beyond the premasticated pap that is served up for those cheap dentures of yours to gnaw on. Britain didn’t ’own’ the Mandated Territory of Palestine. The intent from the League of Nations mandate was administer the territory until its people could run it themselves. Unfortunately, the open borders policy of the British - yes, think on that for a second - led to an explosion in migrants and the current mess. 

Apparently you wouldn't be able to test out of a Florida third grade class, with that blue state ignorance. (Your blue state probably gives Doctorates to Downs Syndrome id!iots)

Great Britain gave that small plot of land to Israel, and your goose stepping Hamas Nazis want all JEWS dead, whether they live there or elsewhere.

Go peddle your fascist Nazi crap elsewhere. I hear there are blue states looking for more id!iots.

23 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Do you accept that Israel already extends from the river to the sea? Yes or no?

The "River To The Sea" slogan that those HamasNazis spew is nothing more than the FINAL SOLUTION for the 21st Century.

The area Israel occupies was ORIGINAL Israeli homeland.

According to the Hebrew Bible, a "United Monarchy" (consisting of Israel and Judah) existed as early as the 11th century BCE, under the reigns of Saul, David, and Solomon; the country later split into two kingdoms: Israel, containing the cities of Shechem and Samaria in the north, and Judah (containing Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple) in the south. The historicity of the United Monarchy is debated—as there are no archaeological remains of it that are accepted as consensus—but historians and archaeologists agree that Israel and Judah existed as separate kingdoms by c. 900 BCE^{[1]: 169–195 [2]} and c. 850 BCE,^[3] respectively.^[4]

All Nazis like you and Hamas and the Palestinians want is more of this:

 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I understand the expression causes offence and I have never used it myself. Here is some more background on it and how it is perceived by different people:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/us/politics/river-to-the-sea-israel-gaza-palestinians.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Many insurgencies have similar sayings and songs. In Ireland, for example, people talk of Four Green Fields, A Nation Once Again, Our Day Will Come. These are perceived very differently by the other, Protestant, side in Northern Ireland. 

It's a call to genocide.  Whatever it may have been at one point that's what it is now. To say other wise would be like trying to convince a black person it's ok for you to call him a N*gger because that has different meanings for different people.  You still gonna get slapped

And once again you dance around the issue instead of addressing it.  From the river to the sea is a call to genocidal action and slaughter of a people who've already endured one in less than the last 100 years.  So unless you're supporting that concept it might be wise to pick other phrases.

And  you never did explain what you were asking me which is still unclear?

[Mako]

12 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ya know...I have some sympathy for the Palies but your arguments are pretty thin.

@CdnFox showed you that there have been no attacks by Israel targeting civilians. Yet you go on and on demanding proof he's already provided. 

From a purely impersonal point of view, the only way to end this war with Hamas once and for all, is to kill all of them.

I know how crass that prospect is, but it's the only way for Israel to ensure Hamas never attacks again.

Now...Israel has and does commit some pretty horrendous acts against Palies. Once the dust settles, it would be good to bring all that out into the open for the whole world to see and judge. But first, Israel must ensure the safety of their own citizens. 

What proof did he provide that showed there have been no attacks by Israel targeting civilians?

CdnFox tried to justify the killing of everybody in the Gaza Strip, that’s civilians: children and the elderly.

I agree Israel has committed horrendous acts against the Palestinians.

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, Mako said:

What proof did he provide that showed there have been no attacks by Israel targeting civilians?

Are you illiterate as well as stupid?

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CdnFox tried to justify the killing of everybody in the Gaza Strip, that’s civilians: children and the elderly.

Here's a hint in life kiddo - if you have to lie to prove a point, you don't have a very good point.

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I agree Israel has committed horrendous acts against the Palestinians.

But you don't agree that Palestine committed horrendous acts against Isreal.

You're fine with targeting and slaughtering women and children as long as it's ones you don't like

 

[Mako]

 

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Maybe someday you'll realize you're an 1diot but i doubt it.

From your own source:

"But in an astonishing recent Ha’aretz interview, after summarizing his new research, Morris proceeds to argue for the necessity of ethnic cleansing in 1948. He faults David Ben-Gurion for failing to expel all Arab Israelis, and hints that it may be necessary to finish the job in the future."

So he literally argues that they weren't doing eithnic cleansing.

Rape happens in war on both sides and is criminal and prosecuted when it's discovered.  Unless you can point me to evidence that the Israeli gov't ORDERED soldiers to rape people then it's irrelevant.  Gaza DID ORDER the slaughter of civilians.

So - basically what you're trying to say is that because almost 100 years ago something happened, that means that today people who were not even alive there are comletely justified in raping and deliberately targeting civilians AND burning babies alive.

Dude - that makes you a monster. And the people of gaza are also monsters worse than the nazi's if they believe that.

Gaza started the war on oct 7th by deliberately intentionally targeting and slaughtering women and children and in some cases burning them alive.

 NOTHING - NOTHING that happened 100 years ago or even 50 years go or even 10 or 5 years ago justifies that behavior. It  is the behavior of monsters, not humans.

Israel has the right to self defense, and if there's a monster roaming about your country, you kill it.

THey will now destroy hamas, and anyone who gets in between them and that goal, and those people literally brought this on themselves.

Hamas should surrender tomorrow and spare its people.

It looks like your tiny brain couldn’t handle all that reading.

Here’s what Morris said:

According to your findings, how many acts of Israeli massacre were perpetrated in 1948?

“Twenty-four. In some cases four or five people were executed, in others the numbers were 70, 80, 100. There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field – they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village – she is shot. There are cases such as the village of Dawayima [in the Hebron region], in which a column entered the village with all guns blazing and killed anything that moved.

“The worst cases were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70). There is no unequivocal proof of a large-scale massacre at Tantura, but war crimes were perpetrated there. At Jaffa there was a massacre about which nothing had been known until now. The same at Arab al Muwassi, in the north. About half of the acts of massacre were part of Operation Hiram [in the north, in October 1948]: at Safsaf, Saliha, Jish, Eilaboun, Arab al Muwasi, Deir al Asad, Majdal Krum, Sasa. In Operation Hiram there was a unusually high concentration of executions of people against a wall or next to a well in an orderly fashion.

“That can’t be chance. It’s a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres.”

I’m glad you are outraged by the slaughter of helpless women and children. Now please acknowledge that Israel has been committing such atrocities for decades.

https://ifamericansknew.org

You’re not even trying to make sense. You think the Israelis have the right to kill Palestinians for revenge, but Palestinians have no right for revenge.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Mako

[CdnFox]

Just now, Mako said:

 

It looks like your tiny brain couldn’t handle all that reading.

It is you who cannot read my friend. The attacks in 48 were not by israel but rather by various factions.  it had only become a country part way through that year.

As i noted no ethnic clensing was attempted by isreal.

See - you feel the need to lie to try to make your point and that generally means you don't have a very good point.

And none of the people alive would be alive today. So - it's not justification for any volence today.

I know, i know - you REALLY want it to be ok for those scumbags in Gaza to kill israelis.  It's not.  Sorry.

And you trying to say it's ok becuase 100 years ago some other terrorists did something that ALSO should be completely condemned is simply false.

You need to go away with the rest of the nazis.

[Mako]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It is you who cannot read my friend. The attacks in 48 were not by israel but rather by various factions.  it had only become a country part way through that year.

As i noted no ethnic clensing was attempted by isreal.

See - you feel the need to lie to try to make your point and that generally means you don't have a very good point.

And none of the people alive would be alive today. So - it's not justification for any volence today.

I know, i know - you REALLY want it to be ok for those scumbags in Gaza to kill israelis.  It's not.  Sorry.

And you trying to say it's ok becuase 100 years ago some other terrorists did something that ALSO should be completely condemned is simply false.

You need to go away with the rest of the nazis.

Your genocidal frenzy and bloodlust seem to have addled your brain. You’re just repeating yourself and making unsubstantiated accusations and raving.

You are filled with hate because Palestinians have killed members of your ethnic group. You can’t think, you just want revenge. Even the mass murder of thousands of children isn’t enough for you. You want genocide.

If you ever get hold of yourself, you’ll realize that both sides need to cooperate and compromise. Try to understand the Palestinian perspective. Try not to dehumanize your enemy.

It’s not easy, but if you fail you’ll be consumed by your hatred.

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by Mako

[Mako]

Palestinians have been suffering for years from Israeli brutality.

https://mondoweiss.net/2022/12/231-palestinians-were-killed-this-year-these-are-their-stories/

Both sides need to stop the brutality. Stop the slaughter in Gaza. Peace now!

Edited November 11, 2023 by Mako

[Mako]

The Israelis are often European colonizers. The Palestinians are close genetically to the ancient Hebrews.

https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210

Moreover, not a few Israelis are atheists who despise the God of Abraham. The Palestinians are far closer to the ancient Hebrews regarding religion.

So which side is anti-Semitic? To whom was the land promised?

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by Mako

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Mako said:

Your genocidal frenzy and bloodlust seem to have

 

Blah blah blah i hate jews kill more civvies but just not palastinian ones. blah blah. 

Stopped reading there.

You celebrate the death of israelis who were targeted but are horrified when palestinians are killed standing in front of military targets. Happy as a claim when israelis get killed but 'oh noes' - when gaza civvies who elected and supported hamas die because hamas hides behind them while still shooting rockets at israel. 

No calls for hamas to surrender from you - no calls for them to get civvies out of the way and fight in front of them instead of behind them. Oh no.

Kid - you're a monster and a joke. I 'm sure you can find some other nazi's to play with

[Mako]

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Blah blah blah i hate jews kill more civvies but just not palastinian ones. blah blah. 

Stopped reading there.

You celebrate the death of israelis who were targeted but are horrified when palestinians are killed standing in front of military targets. Happy as a claim when israelis get killed but 'oh noes' - when gaza civvies who elected and supported hamas die because hamas hides behind them while still shooting rockets at israel. 

No calls for hamas to surrender from you - no calls for them to get civvies out of the way and fight in front of them instead of behind them. Oh no.

Kid - you're a monster and a joke. I 'm sure you can find some other nazi's to play with

You poor dope don’t you realize you and your murderous playmates are the Nazis?

You and your allies lie like Nazis and you kill like Nazis.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/holocaust-survivors-and-their-descendants-accuse-israel-of-genocide-9687994.html

Edited November 11, 2023 by Mako

[Mako]

CdnFox, in his spare time, enjoys goose-stepping, attending rallies, and murdering children.

 https://www.newsweek.com/holocaust-historian-israel-committing-genocide-raz-segal-1835346

Edited November 11, 2023 by Mako

[Mako]

Tell me conservatives why do you want to make so many sacrifices for those who despise you?

Edited November 11, 2023 by Mako

[Mako]

Why U.S. politicians are subservient to Israel: https://www.israel365news.com/302007/exclusive-americas-top-20-richest-pro-israel-zionaires-technology-and-business/

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Mako said:

CdnFox, in his spare time, enjoys goose-stepping, attending rallies, and murdering children.

 https://www.newsweek.com/holocaust-historian-israel-committing-genocide-raz-segal-1835346

LOL  too cowardly to even address me directly any more i see    Well that's just like you terrorist lovers isnt it -  always hiding behind other people  

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Mako said:

You poor dope don’t you realize you and your murderous playmates are the Nazis?

 

We know who the nazi's are. I'm quoting one right now.

I'd rather see no one die. I'd rather palestine laid down it's arms and agreed to live in peace with the jews, they'd have their own state in no time.

But - if someone is going to pick a fight and go into someone else's home and slaughter women and burn children alive while scum like you cheer them on - then i would expect israel to defend itself and i would HOPE the lesson would be SO PAINFUL for the nazis' who started this war that they never ever thought about doing it again.  And that othes thought twice about that kind of thing too.

That's the only way to deal with people like this.  They should never have started the war and you're a coward for supporting it then crying about how people who hamas hides behind die.

[Nationalist]

This is silly now.

@Mako Son...the bottom line is, Hamas attached Israel. They did it in a fashion that is incomprehensible in its brutality. It was sickening. Israel has no choice but to respond.

Now... @CdnFox has explained this to you, yet you simply refuse to acknowledge reality. This is the act of a petulant child.

Something good can come of this mess. But first Israel must ensure the safety of their people and the viability of their nation. Then negotiations for a better coexistence can begin.