Winter Federal Election 2024

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, Jack9000 said:

lol yes because so much of your actual money is going to cbc . 

LOL if it's so little they won't miss it will they?  

[Nefarious Banana]

6 minutes ago, Jack9000 said:

. . .  because so much of your actual money is going to CBC . 

So much of other peoples money pays your welfare benefit . . .

[Queenmandy85]

3 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

So much of other peoples money pays your welfare benefit . . .

And all of us are paying for the hangar queen useless F-35. How about we pretend my taxes go to pay for the CBC which 23 million Canadians use regularly, and your taxes go to pay for the F-35 that will never be of use to anyone.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[Legato]

7 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

And all of us are paying for the hangar queen useless F-35. How about we pretend my taxes go to pay for the CBC which 23 million Canadians use regularly, and your taxes go to pay for the F-35 that will never be of use to anyone.

I would take the F-35 any day over the CBC. The F-35 displays no bias.

They both have one thing in common. They answer to the commands of whoever is controlling them, the F-35 the pilot, the CBC the Liberal government.

[Nefarious Banana]

8 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

And all of us are paying for the hangar queen useless F-35. How about we pretend my taxes go to pay for the CBC which 23 million Canadians use regularly, and your taxes go to pay for the F-35 that will never be of use to anyone.

The person in question 'works' a few months a year . . . welfare benefits the rest of the year.  Why don't you invite him to stay at your place, help him with food, shelter, and endless CBC entertainment?

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

And all of us are paying for the hangar queen useless F-35.

Sigh. If you have to lie to make a point, it's a bad point.

THere is absolutely no argument you can make that a country being able to defend itself is optional. You might as well say "I shoudln't have to pay for elections if i don't believe in democracy and think justin should be 'king'!

Defense is a fundimental part of our constituton and soverignty.

An option tv station is not. 

All you've done is show just how pathetic the argument for keeping the CBC is.  "IF WE HAVE A MILITARY - THEN WE **MUST** HAVE THE CBC.

Our military protects all canadians equally. I don't watch cbc.  Pay for it yourself you ignorant pathetic sponge.

[Queenmandy85]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Our military protects all canadians equally.

That would be all well and good, except we don't have a military capable of performing its basic task. Canadians are not willing to support a viable defence force. The operations we do engage in are small and don't require the F-35. There are cheaper alternatives built in France, or we could build our own. Drones are becoming a viable ground attack system. 

Russia would have a challenge crossing the Arctic Ocean in force. If they did, we invoke Article 5. If, as was speculated, we leave NATO, we build our own nuclear weapons. We probably should have a nuclear deterrence anyway. It would fulfill our NATO commitment.

The only country that can logistically invade Canada is the United States. That is a distinctly remote possibility. If they did, then a conventional response is out of the question. We could make them bleed out over the next twenty-five years, but I don't see that happening. 

As in all my posts, I defer to Army Guy and Doug to correct me.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That would be all well and good, except we don't have a military capable of performing its basic task

Says who,  You? Buddy - you've already demonstrated you're so uneducated on the subject that you think having a military is the same as having a state controlled broadcaster.

In fact we have a defense force. And it's acquitted itself very well in conflicts going back many decades.  There are people who have served in it on this very forum.

The fact that they should have better gear and more spending doesn't change that in any way.

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Russia would have a challenge crossing the Arctic Ocean in force.

They woudn't have much trouble.

And we can't invoke article five if we areh't part of nato. And we can't be part of nato without a military,

And we can have military conflcts with all kinds of countries - including russia and china. And we can be asked to respond to conflicts all over the world - that's what being part of nato means, you have to be able to respond to threats to other countries,

So you've basically proven my point.  We need a military.  We do NOT need the crappy, useless, bias as hell CBC in the slighest.

Scrap the CBC entirely.  Put the money towards the military if you think it's underfunded - i'm sure they'd be very happy to have another couple billion a year.

[Nationalist]

The CBC is a gross waste of taxpayer funds...unless you are ok with lies and bias that favors the Liberals. It's a virtue signaling waste of a channel.!

[Queenmandy85]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Says who,  You? Buddy - you've already demonstrated you're so uneducated on the subject that you think having a military is the same as having a state controlled broadcaster.

In fact we have a defense force. And it's acquitted itself very well in conflicts going back many decades.  There are people who have served in it on this very forum.

The fact that they should have better gear and more spending doesn't change that in any way.

They woudn't have much trouble.

And we can't invoke article five if we areh't part of nato. And we can't be part of nato without a military,

And we can have military conflcts with all kinds of countries - including russia and china. And we can be asked to respond to conflicts all over the world - that's what being part of nato means, you have to be able to respond to threats to other countries,

So you've basically proven my point.  We need a military.  We do NOT need the crappy, useless, bias as hell CBC in the slighest.

Scrap the CBC entirely.  Put the money towards the military if you think it's underfunded - i'm sure they'd be very happy to have another couple billion a year.

I have always advocated for a viable defence policy. I have yet to hear you say anything that indicates you agree. Cutting the CBC and putting $1.2 billion into the Canadian Armed Forces will hardly make a dent into the funding of defence required.. 

I have always campaigned for a meaningful contribution to NATO. 2% is woefully inadequate. But our NATO commitment must be on top of the need to defend our borders. It must be the surplus, over and above our own defence.That is why we need our own nuclear deterrence. Any war with Russia, the US and China will be nuclear. If Russia or China attack a NATO country, it will lead to an all out nuclear exchange. Conventional forces would be irrelavant. 

If the military is so important to Canadians, why is nobody, including the CPC, willing to pay for it? Why are the Canadian Forces 10,000 below authorized strength? The reason is people don't want to join. The members we do have are exceptional people who find a way to get remarkable results with what little resources they have. But, in a major conventional war, they do not have air superiority, Naval capability, armored strength, or infantry in sufficient numbers to last very long. 

Our population is triple what it was in 1945 when we had close to a million people in the military. In 1980, Switzerland had a populatin one fifth the size of Canada but could mobilize the second largest military force in Europe on 72 hours notice. Canada has the population, we can create the industrial base, but there is no desire to have anything but what exists now. We can blame the goveernment, but governments can only do so much without public support, and that support has not been there for decades. Even in the Second World War, we had the zombies. (Conscripts mostly from Saskatchewan and Quebec). If you didn't want to go into combat, you were conscripted, but you were not forced to go overseas. That changed in the last few months of the war when Ralston was fired and the Generals threatened  revolt. Suddenly, the zombies found out they were off to fight Hitler and Tojo. So, the soldiers (zombies) from Saskatchewan garrisoned in Terrace, BC, mutinied, took over the city and placed artillery on the hills to cover the highway. They held out for a week. Then they surrendered. The ring leaders were court-martialled. The point is, even in the middle of a war, many Canadians are unenthusiastic about the military.

The primary function of the military is to be able to defend Canada. We either rebuild the conventional forces to a level where they can carry out that task independently, or we build a nuclear arsenal capable of turning any and all enemies into a glass plate. Voters are unwilling to make the commitment to do that. 

The F-35 is more of an issue for me because if we get into a conflict the US does not approve of, it is so easy for them to embed a kill-switch in the aircraft. Unlikely I know, but if I were a pilot, it is not something I would want as a distraction in the back of my mind. Israeli tanks are designed by the people who use them. We need to design and build our own equipment.

I've argued this since Paul Helyer wrecked the armed forces. After over half a century, you get tired. There comes a point when sitting in front of the TV to watch Gerry Dee is more worth while, because no matter what we say on this forum, the government is going to buy those F-35's and they will never be of any use in the next 40 years and the Canadian Forces will be under funded.

 

 

[Queenmandy85]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

In fact we have a defense force.

You might want to attend to your auto-correct spell checker. It is causing you to mis-spell defence.

Cheers

[herbie]

Meh, she's right. Worrying over chicken change to run a station we can listen to across the whole country or blow $75 billion on planes that will just sit there except for the odd air show. If you think they'll get used, you either actually want to get in a war or are paranoid enough to think some country with an intercontinental air force is going to attack us.

As for the incessant claim of bias, go ahead and listen to only media beholden to their corporate advertisers. Sucking up to MyPillow, Big Pharma and ambulance chasers obviously isn't bias in your book. Continue under the delusion that cutting CBC will save one actual red cent out of YOUR pocket.