Trudeau has destroyed Canada's immigration system

[I am Groot]

I have seen a lot of criticisms of our immigration system over the years, especially lately, but this piece in the Globe and Mail is the most complete takedown on the sh1tshow it has turned into under Trudeau and the damage it's doing not only to those who come in but to the country itself. It also blows away any and all excuses the Liberals are making for these continuous increases in mass immigration. Whether it's helping the economy, enriching Canada, providing needed workers or making up for an aging population this destroys all of those arguments with facts.

Yet, soaring immigration levels under the Liberals have not made Canada richer, or its social programs more sustainable. If anything, the opposite is true. While the country’s overall economic output, or gross domestic product (GDP), has grown in recent years, Canada’s GDP per capita (also known as per capita income) has failed to keep pace with that of other developed countries and even declined in recent quarters. GDP per capita is a far more meaningful indicator of a country’s standard of living than the brute size of its economy. And Canada’s is falling.

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What’s more, the vaunted “points system” Canadian immigration bureaucrats have relied on since 1967 to select applicants (based on education, skills, work experience and proficiency in at least one official language) is increasingly being bypassed in favour of short-term labour-market demands, mostly in low-wage sectors.

“For economists who study this, we just shake our heads,” says the University of Waterloo’s Mikal Skuterud, one of a growing number of labour-market experts critical of the Trudeau government’s immigration policies. “I think we have completely gone in the wrong direction.”

 

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Prof. Skuterud and his colleagues looked at the earnings levels of immigrants who arrived in Canada as permanent residents in 2006. They found that half of those accepted as economic immigrants had incomes below the Canadian average in 2016, a decade after their arrival. They conclude that the selection criteria used by IRCC “were not effective in boosting the average human capital level of the Canadian labour force.”

 

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The Century Initiative plan sees population in the Toronto region almost quadrupling to 33.5 million in 2100. That would make Canada’s largest urban agglomeration about the same size as New Delhi today, and only slightly smaller than Tokyo. Under the Century Initiative vision, the Montreal and Vancouver regions would each be home to about 12 million people in 2100, three or four times their current numbers.

Those who insist that Canada’s cities could accommodate this massive growth if they loosened zoning restrictions to encourage densification do not live in the real world. For most people, the “Canadian dream” does not consist of living their whole lives in cramped apartment and condo towers, and no politician wants to burst their bubble. The political class continues to peddle the increasingly elusive goal of single-family home ownership, with greenspace for the kids and dog.

https://archive.ph/p9GxW

[Michael Hardner]

When in the past decades, did Western governments care about equity?  GDP up?  They are happy...

Equity is an NDP thing.

[Moonlight Graham]

32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

When in the past decades, did Western governments care about equity?  GDP up?  They are happy...

Equity is an NDP thing.

Equity??  You mean income equality?

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Equity??  You mean income equality?

I thought those were synonymous now? Of course I welcome any corrections to English and grammar...

Let me look it up.

"Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome."

[myata]

Federal bureaucracy in the chaos mode. No quick fixes I'm afraid, as the entropy has run its course. Third world is the next destination.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Equity??  You mean income equality?

I have no idea what he's even talking about. Equity was not mentioned in this story, nor income inequality.

Maybe he's thinking of the GDP per person as a measure of our actual wealth? Because that is shrinking. Or it could be the fact that half of economic immigrants - our most successful type - have incomes below the national average after ten years in Canada. That isn't a matter of equity, it's a matter of a points system that obviously is not functioning as it should. It means even the economic class is not leading to increasing our wealth. And when you add in the huge numbers of family class and refugees it goes a long way to explain our decreasing wealth as a nation.

Edited October 28, 2023 by I am Groot

[Michael Hardner]

Apologies.  I completely misunderstood part of the OP.  I was agreeing with a point that wasn't being made.  Need coffee ☕

Here's a graph of GDP per capita in Canada over 8 decades or so.  The problem clearly isn't growth... Relative slippage with other countries shouldn't be as much of a concern as the gap between wealthy and poor.

 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CANRGDPC

Edited October 28, 2023 by Michael Hardner

[eyeball]

57 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Maybe he's thinking of the GDP per person as a measure of our actual wealth? Because that is shrinking.

Shrinking equally though? I doubt it.

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Shrinking equally though? I doubt it.

GDP per capita does not shrink in the medium or long-term

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Shrinking equally though? I doubt it.

People think that the recent difficulties in earning a living are due to GDP reduction.  But just look at the recent GDP growth exploding, and ask any working person if they have noticed a recent upsurge in their prosperity.

 

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

GDP per capita does not shrink in the medium or long-term.

Okay but the tide clearly isn't lifting all boats equally.

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Okay but the tide clearly isn't lifting all boats equally.

Well do you and everyone you know feel 5X wealthier than a Canadian in 1970.

 

To use your analogy... The tide lifts a few boats... Most of us, 99%, are moored on an inland lake.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Canada's immigration policies should change. It is not benefiting Canada. Only those already adopted to culture of equality and respect for women and democracy should be allowed in. This means a majority white immigration policy (from Europe) and exclude a good majority from Middle East and Africa. No one dares to adopt this as party policy though or even speak about it being fearful of being stamped as racist.

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

1. It is not benefiting Canada.

2. Only those already adopted to culture of equality and respect for women and democracy should be allowed in.

3. This means a majority white immigration policy (from Europe) and exclude a good majority from Middle East and Africa.

4. No one dares to adopt this as party policy though or even speak about it being fearful of being stamped as racist.

1. I doubt that you could articulate an argument that supports this.

2. So, in other words no one.

3. Europe but not Italia, France, Espana, or ...

4. Gee, how about that? ?

[CITIZEN_2015]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I doubt that you could articulate an argument that supports this.

2. So, in other words no one.

3. Europe but not Italia, France, Espana, or ...

4. Gee, how about that? ?

1-Housing prices going through the roof because of demand by new immigrants. Our health system is stretched and cannot perform.  Many new immigrant go on social programs. People of cultures not compatible with most Canadians are increased recent years. 

2-Yes I said mostly from Europe (those similarly socially advanced societies).

3-Well Italy, France, Spain are much more adopted than Arab countries or Africa.

4- It is a fact.

Edited October 28, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[Michael Hardner]

15 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

1-Housing prices going through the roof because of demand by new immigrants. Our health system is stretched and cannot perform.  Many new immigrant go on social programs. People of cultures not compatible with most Canadians are increased recent years. 

2-Yes I said mostly from Europe (those similarly socially advanced societies).

3-Well Italy, France, Spain are much more adopted than Arab countries or Africa.

 

1. That's all valid but a recent development, and not so much the fault of immigration but a planning failure and a stain on all provincial governments of all political flavours.

2. 3. Since it's males that treat women poorly shouldn't you just ban them?

Edited October 28, 2023 by Michael Hardner

[CITIZEN_2015]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. That's all valid but a recent development, and not so much the fault of immigration but a planning failure and a stain on all provincial governments of all political flavours.

2. 3. Since it's males that treat women poorly shouldn't you just ban them?

Yes sorry I meant recent immigration policy. When I immigrated, they didn't grant me immigration status and waited till I got my Doctorate degree (proven ability to earn and contribute in future) but look at them now!!!!

Actually I wanted to say female immigrants from ME only but that is not practical. Also a lot of male population specially from Iran, Turkey, Morocco are adopted as good as here if not better so it is not fair to ban all (though I know you were suggesting that jokingly to make a point). To my experience males from Pakistan, India and Saudi Arabia are the worst women-haters. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[myata]

Just before the Covid I chatted regularly with a recent grad in education. She was a supply teacher with no permanent schedule, lower pay no benefits etc and couldn't find a permanent job for years after graduating.

We talked here about permanent and chronic shortage of nurses yet many couldn't find stable positions with stable pay, job security and benefits.

Question: how does this make any freaking sense? We have been throwing uncounted billions at the thing since the last romanow commission yet a quarter of Ontarians will have no family doctor in a year or so. Why are we paying for something that does not exist? Why do we need "more foreign-trained anything, including teachers and medical professionals" and I'm quoting someone boasting a great achievement if our professionals here and now are struggling to find good jobs?

I have an easy answer: the system doesn't know what it's doing. It runs around randomly pulls here punches there and see what happens... any good yet, lets try again enthusiastically just need more of your cash.

I'm all for discussing other possibilities. If you can you come up with more plausible ones.

Edited October 28, 2023 by myata

[Moonlight Graham]

GDP per capita doesn't really tell you anything about how the wealth is distributed.  Middle class and lower class wages may not have gone up a penny who knows, and cost of living has gone up.  If that were true, people would be getting poorer.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

GDP per capita doesn't really tell you anything about how the wealth is distributed.  Middle class and lower class wages may not have gone up a penny who knows, and cost of living has gone up.  If that were true, people would be getting poorer.

If what were true?

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well do you and everyone you know feel 5X wealthier than a Canadian in 1970.

In 1970 I delivered newspapers up Fairlawn Ave back down St Germaine Ave between Yonge St and Jedburgh Rd. I also raked leaves and shovelled snow on the same route. I made a killing. But I hear what you're saying. No, most grandfather's made a killing compared to grandfather's today. And I bet it's adults who deliver newspapers, rake leaves and shovel snow  now.

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

To use your analogy... The tide lifts a few boats... Most of us, 99%, are moored on an inland lake.

You won't notice much difference in a tide exchange on a lake alright. An inch or so on most.

[Michael Hardner]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

But I hear what you're saying. No, most grandfather's made a killing compared to grandfather's today. 

You said it.

People are getting ripped off and it's not taxes.  We have to figure out how to distribute the new wealth.

[eyeball]

28 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You said it.

People are getting ripped off and it's not taxes.  We have to figure out how to distribute the new wealth.

I think that ball is in the 1%'s court and they best come up with something soon before they break something.

[RedDog]

There is no “immigration system”. I’m usually the only Caucasian in a transit bus. What country am I in?

[Moonlight Graham]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If what were true?

Well I said if incomes didn't go up a penny, which is probably not true, but they haven't kept pace.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, RedDog said:

There is no “immigration system”. I’m usually the only Caucasian in a transit bus. What country am I in?

I'm thankful I have a planet to be on. Have you ever considered how great the odds were against that?