Should mental Health Professionals Be Culpable For Failures Like The Maine Shooting?

[Caswell Thomas]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I never said that.  WHat kind of utter 1diot demands someone state their sources after misquoting them?  If you're done with your self-colonoscopy then please pull your head out of your ass.

You don't even know what a 'military grade firearm' is.  And this is why the gun owners are afraid to trust the left on the issue - dumb statements like that.

 

Apparently you don't recall my identification as a U. S. Veteran not a week or so ago.  Just because I served in the U. S. Air Force doesn't mean we don't learn to shoot in it. Planes do get shot down sometimes unfortunately and if you survive the fall even with a chute there's often no one around to help you, so being a decent shot is necessary.   Every member of the USAF learns to shoot. In addition I have owned a number of firearms beyond my service days, both modern and historical era pre 1840 muzzle loaders, the latter of which I shot in competition. 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Apparently you don't recall my identification as a U. S. Veteran not a week or so ago. 

And that's your justification for demanding i cite something i never said?

 Are you SURE you're not on drugs?

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Just because I served in the U. S. Air Force doesn't mean we don't learn to shoot in it.

That's nice.

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Planes do get shot down sometimes unfortunately and if you survive the fall even with a chute there's often no one around to help you, so being a decent shot is necessary.   Every member of the USAF learns to shoot.

And? 

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In addition I have owned a number of firearms beyond my service days, both modern and historical era pre 1840 muzzle loaders, the latter of which I shot in competition. 

Dude - i don't believe you. 

If you have - then you know that most civillian firearms are actually better built and maintained by their owners that military firearms. Further - the ar platform is not a military gun. And any actual gun owner would know that the nato round is at best weak.  It was never designed to be the best killer and it's not.

So when you talk about the 'dangers' of letting people have "miltary grade" firearms it is PAINFULLY obvious you have no freaking clue what you're talking about. And lets get real - the guy could have done as much or more damage with a pair of glocks.  Or a decent shotgun.

[Caswell Thomas]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And that's your justification for demanding i cite something i never said?

 Are you SURE you're not on drugs?

That's nice.

And? 

Dude - i don't believe you. 

If you have - then you know that most civillian firearms are actually better built and maintained by their owners that military firearms. Further - the ar platform is not a military gun. And any actual gun owner would know that the nato round is at best weak.  It was never designed to be the best killer and it's not.

So when you talk about the 'dangers' of letting people have "miltary grade" firearms it is PAINFULLY obvious you have no freaking clue what you're talking about. And lets get real - the guy could have done as much or more damage with a pair of glocks.  Or a decent shotgun.

M 16 and M16A2 were issued to many troops, at least through the 1970's., up through pretty recently, but the newest is the XM7 which is soon to be replacing single shot and another for automatic firing weapons, I don't keep up on those much.    I got out in '80. Glocks are good but a little too expensive for my tastes. My Hawken  .54 caliber muzzle loader is more my taste these days. 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

M 16 and M16A2 were issued to many troops, at least through the 1970's., up through pretty recently, but the newest is the XM7 which is soon to be replacing single shot and another for automatic firing weapons, I don't keep up on those much.   

And Ar -15's never were. They're not military hardware. 

 

6 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Glocks are good but a little too expensive for my tastes. My Hawken  .54 caliber muzzle loader is more my taste these days. 

Honestly i prefer a 1911 cusomized - but i'm old school that way and truth be told not much of a pistol guy. Shotguns are more my fave.

But at the end of the day the hawken is arguably less efficient as a lethal tool than modern guns but  other than that there's nothing terribly magic about semi autos.  A good lever, pump, even a good bolt can go fast enough to make virtually no difference.  And take a heavier round than 5,56 nato any day.  They made a model 7600 remington in 308 with a short barrel and you could get extended mags - that would beat just about any ar in terms of lethality and for less than half the price.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

How does that make the US different from any other country?

The culture?

In the Philippines, it is insanely easy to buy one and obtain a license for one. I wanted to buy one, and the process was easier than buying a car. Much easier.

I could easily pay my way out of psychological tests, and any regulations. Many do. Put it this way. My ex wife had an M16 in our bedroom, ready to go.

We pitied the person who would try to rob us, as the country has laws similar to the stand your ground laws in the US. I wouldn't hesitate to protect my family with as lethal an amount of force as necessary, and in self defense would walk away with no penalty for it (or remorse).

Yet, the murder rate per 100 000 citizens, remains 3 times lower than the US.

Asia in general, has a shaming culture. You would humiliate your family name, in committing a mass shooting. Suicide would be favored, if one hit that low in life. 

Mass shootings are almost glorified in the US. Story after story in the news. High press exposure. Stories about the shooter. There are novels about the Columbine high school shooters, which turned the shooters almost into legendary status for their heinous crimes.

Heck, guns and shooting people are glorified.

You buy a gun in the Philippines, to protect yourself, if you live in a dangerous area. Simple. Last thing you want, is to use it. They are just not glorified in the same way.

People there are God fearing. Men are still expected to be providers. Women are still expected to submit themselves to their men. 

Men are very well respected, socially. They aren't s****ed on.

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

The US obsession with guns is certainly cultural and what sets it apart from other developed countries.

Even from developing countries, the US is shamefully positioned when it comes down to murders by capita. 

[Aristides]

Women not having to submit themselves to men is a reason for men to commit mass murders. That’s sick.

[Guest]

34 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Women not having to submit themselves to men is a reason for men to commit mass murders.

Men are more valued in those societies. Are less alienated. Have more of a belief system. Morals.

Women choose to submit themselves to their men, as the example provided, was a society where there is a patriarchal hierarchy. 

Men are s*****d on, socially in the west. Especially so, in the US. Men aren't seen as toxic, if highly masculine in Asia. Has nothing to do with submission. 

Me busting my a** to keep a roof over our heads and keeping the wife happy, is seen as desirable in Asia. 

Men now have been beaten down socially to being hesitant messes. Fearful. Their instincts come into question.

A woman can be b****y or moody, because its a woman. A man being horny because he's a man, is disgusting. Sexist.

A full on assault on men. Am just not surprised that a few tend to take exception to it. 

[Aristides]

Iceland. #1 when it comes to women’s equality. Many other countries are ahead of the US when it comes to women’s equality  but you very rarely see their men committing mass murders. As a matter of fact, the rights of women are currently under attack in the US. 
 

F**k me, do as I say woman or I will go out and massacre people is about as sick as it comes.

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, Hodad said:

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world--and the most gun violence and mass shootings. 

And the most children raised by single moms: their incarceration rate is sky high.

A breakdown in morality and the welfare state are the two main culprits, but that's a hard fix. 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Men are more valued in those societies. Are less alienated. Have more of a belief system. Morals.

Women choose to submit themselves to their men, as the example provided, was a society where there is a patriarchal hierarchy. 

Men are s*****d on, socially in the west. Especially so, in the US. Men aren't seen as toxic, if highly masculine in Asia. Has nothing to do with submission. 

Me busting my a** to keep a roof over our heads and keeping the wife happy, is seen as desirable in Asia. 

Men now have been beaten down socially to being hesitant messes. Fearful. Their instincts come into question.

A woman can be b****y or moody, because its a woman. A man being horny because he's a man, is disgusting. Sexist.

A full on assault on men. Am just not surprised that a few tend to take exception to it. 

This "war on men" nonsense is the craziest phony victimhood narrative I have ever seen. 

Men are dramatically overrepresented in every position of power from business to politics. 

The idea that we're, as a gender, struggling or having a hard time is as silly as the people who complain about "discrimination" against whites. 

All of it boils down to men--usually white-- feeling resentful about the erosion of privelege on a gradually leveling playing field.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And the most children raised by single moms: their incarceration rate is sky high.

A breakdown in morality and the welfare state are the two main culprits, but that's a hard fix. 

Wow, you've got it all figured out.

The men who are currently absentee parents should be actively teaching their children to not give a damn. And the kids should be poorer and hungrier while they learn those painful lessons. 

About 23% of American kids are in single-family homes. It's about 21% in the UK and 18% in Canada, our closest cultural analogues. Yet there are nowhere -- not even remotely -- close to the number of mass killings. The murder rate in the US is 6x the UK and 3x Canada. And murders/deaths by gun and mass shootings are all even more dramatically gapped. So you can toss out that bit of moralizing. 

Hm. There must be some difference in these countries. Something that rhymes with nuns?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Men are dramatically overrepresented in every position of power from business to politics. 

Is that because they are men, or because some women simply don't seek out certain positions as much as men do? 

Look at many medical fields. Many are dominated by women. Most veterinarians I have worked with, were female. Industry wide, is also a landslide (to name you one).

Nursing. Administration. Complete landslide, regarding women in such roles. Why is that? Patriarchy? Or is it, that typically, women tend to thrive in jobs where nurturing is part of your role.

Flip tables and look at engineering. Computer programming. Diesel mechanics. You'll be hard pressed to find a woman. Roofing. Etc. 

Women aren't unfairly treated. There just aren't many takers, when it comes down to getting greasy and fixing machines in a shop.

I dated a woman who was a programmer. She was damn good at it, too. She also was not in the majority in wanting that type of job. She was incredibly masculine, in behavior.

Business? Many will want the work life balance that having a business doesn't give you. My wife already has had kids, so this is irrelevant.

This is why she effortlessly mops the floor with the men she competes with. All women willing to dedicate the time to getting a company off of the ground tend to do quite well as fulltime entrepreneurs, too.

You're cherry picking the lack of women in some high ranking positions, yet I have yet to hear a single woman complain about having difficulty in finding work as a garbage picker. Plumber. 

Its always a CEO. President. Billionaire. 

Very few men do these jobs, too. You're dealing with a microscopic demographic of people.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

"discrimination" against whites. 

White people can't be discriminated against?

Are they impervious to shaming?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

This "war on men" nonsense is the craziest phony victimhood narrative I have ever seen. 

 

@Perspektiv  One tool you see in the leftist arguments is completely dismissing ANY valid argument that does not support their own echo chamber narrative.  And this is a fine example.

Men are told they are scum BECAUSE they're well represented

Men are also well represented and over represented in the worst occupations. Men get killed more in wars and violence.  Men commit suicide at a much higher rate, Men are FAR more likely to be homeless. But they don't want equality there.

Men are constantly being called 'toxic' and 'privlidged' if you're white and belittled and looked down on.

In media - it's almost always a dumb man and a smart women in a show. There's only a few examples where it's equal and even fewer where it's reversed.

White males and males in general face sexism every day - but are told they're bad people if they complain about it (right hodad?)

When women or minorities are treated the way white males are - or males in general - it is considered a crime against humanity.  But for us - "the bastards deserve it".

THere are thousands of women's shelters for women escaping bad relationships - there are ZERO for men. There was one - and it filled up fast, but the feminists attacked the owner so severely claiming that men did not deserve that kind of space that eventually he committed suicide.

 

But  this ass is going to pretend that because there's more men in corporate offices that none of that other stuff matters and that it's perfectly acceptable to treat men in a fashion that would have women's rights groups screaming about

The left is all about hypocrisy.

8 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

White people can't be discriminated against?

Are they impervious to shaming?

No, they just deserve it because all white people are toxic settlers who are complete scum and responsible for all slavery that ever happened in the world.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Men are also well represented and over represented in the worst occupations.

Exactly. You never hear women complaining about the lack of representation as roofers, or paving laborers. Sewer cleaners.

Because either jobs are the short end of the stick, when it comes down to back breaking labor. 

They want equality, but don't really as you can't cherry pick equality.

You get it across the board. This isn't logical, so playing politics and shaming ensue, for those questioning the logic at going after 1% of the population decrying inequality.

Those who follow that narrative don't even want to earn it. They feel entitled to have it handed to them.

I see it like entitled female athletes demanding the same pay as professional male athletes, yet completely unable to sell out an arena.

Sexism? 

Can you dunk as hard as LeBron James? Shoot a puck 105mph like Zdeno Chara? Can make a pro look amateur, like Christiano Ronaldo?

Then why in the actual f*** would I pay top dollar to watch you play?

Earning the spot isn't good enough. Companies must hand them out to takers that have vaginas.

In what world are you going to go under, right before an eye surgery, and first question you have in your mind: "yeah, but are they female?" after hearing the nurse mention the doctors they have are the best in North America.

That should be the end of the statement. 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Men are constantly being called 'toxic

Like women can't be catty and bats***t crazy.

Amber Heard is a victim to people like this. She epitomizes the type of women that would make a man die young, if married to her.

 

 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Is that because they are men, or because some women simply don't seek out certain positions as much as men do? 

Look at many medical fields. Many are dominated by women. Most veterinarians I have worked with, were female. Industry wide, is also a landslide (to name you one).

Nursing. Administration. Complete landslide, regarding women in such roles. Why is that? Patriarchy? Or is it, that typically, women tend to thrive in jobs where nurturing is part of your role.

Flip tables and look at engineering. Computer programming. Diesel mechanics. You'll be hard pressed to find a woman. Roofing. Etc. 

Women aren't unfairly treated. There just aren't many takers, when it comes down to getting greasy and fixing machines in a shop.

I dated a woman who was a programmer. She was damn good at it, too. She also was not in the majority in wanting that type of job. She was incredibly masculine, in behavior.

Business? Many will want the work life balance that having a business doesn't give you. My wife already has had kids, so this is irrelevant.

This is why she effortlessly mops the floor with the men she competes with. All women willing to dedicate the time to getting a company off of the ground tend to do quite well as fulltime entrepreneurs, too.

You're cherry picking the lack of women in some high ranking positions, yet I have yet to hear a single woman complain about having difficulty in finding work as a garbage picker. Plumber. 

Its always a CEO. President. Billionaire. 

Very few men do these jobs, too. You're dealing with a microscopic demographic of people.

So, your argument here boils down to the idea that marginalized people shouldn't complain or expect equal access to the things they want, unless they also clamor for access to things they don't want?

Sorry, but that's crap, and not how equality works, lol.

And yes, patriarchy is real and a real problem. The same as institutional racism. White, male dominance of society isn't a switch that one simply turns off. There are myriad ingrained biases and habits that must be actively unlearned and overcome. 

There's exhaustive research on gender bias (in multiple forms) in schools, business, politics and everywhere else. It's a cradle-to-grave problem.

If you don't want to read any of it, simply consider education. Teaching has always been dominated by women--75%ish, even today. But Principals were overwhelmingly men. Some progress has been made there of late, but even today males are dramatically overrepresented as a share of pipeline. 

That's a microcosm of the general social problem. Women are now allowed in the workplace--or at least tolerated in most professions. But they are still routinely overlooked and underrepresented when it comes to leadership positions. 

 

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

We pitied the person who would try to rob us, as the country has laws similar to the stand your ground laws in the US. I wouldn't hesitate to protect my family with as lethal an amount of force as necessary, and in self defense would walk away with no penalty for it (or remorse).

Yet, the murder rate per 100 000 citizens, remains 3 times lower than the US.

The single-mom family isn't a thing in Asian culture.

Crime rates among American men raised by single moms is also about 3 times higher than the US national avg. 

https://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1011&context=gfsb_student

 

 

Edited October 31, 2023 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

40 minutes ago, Hodad said:

So, your argument here boils down to the idea that marginalized people shouldn't complain or expect equal access to the things they want, unless they also clamor for access to things they don't want?

Sorry, but that's crap, and not how equality works, lol.

And yes, patriarchy is real and a real problem. The same as institutional racism. White, male dominance of society isn't a switch that one simply turns off. There are myriad ingrained biases and habits that must be actively unlearned and overcome. 

There's exhaustive research on gender bias (in multiple forms) in schools, business, politics and everywhere else. It's a cradle-to-grave problem.

If you don't want to read any of it, simply consider education. Teaching has always been dominated by women--75%ish, even today. But Principals were overwhelmingly men. Some progress has been made there of late, but even today males are dramatically overrepresented as a share of pipeline. 

That's a microcosm of the general social problem. Women are now allowed in the workplace--or at least tolerated in most professions. But they are still routinely overlooked and underrepresented when it comes to leadership positions. 

"Babble, babble, stupid propaganda, babble, racist comment, babble, babble."

Save yourself some energy and just copy and paste the above from now on. We get it.  

[Hodad]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

"Babble, babble, stupid propaganda, babble, racist comment, babble, babble."

Save yourself some energy and just copy and paste the above from now on. We get it.  

Why don't you go back to pretending to have me on ignore? I'm posting for people smart enough to follow an argument.

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Why don't you go back to pretending to have me on ignore? I'm posting for people smart enough to follow an argument.

"Smart people" is code for "brainwashed co-echo-chamberists" it would seem.

You couldn't even refute his points.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

The single-mom family isn't a thing in Asian culture

Family is huge in Asian culture.

Nuclear families aren't shunned.

George Carlin was onto something, when he opined that if you want to see how f***ed up a society is, just watch its commercials.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

marginalized people shouldn't complain

Complaining is fine. But if your complaints are out of touch with reality, you will have a difficult time finding much sympathy.

If one doesn't feel well represented in politics and positions of power, but chooses to ignore the dynamics that cause this, there is nothing you can tell to such a person. 

One thing is for certain, it isn't a patriarchy or some type of similar gatekeeper system keeping women out of such positions inside a free society.

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Some progress has been made there of late, but even today males are dramatically overrepresented as a share of pipeline. 

Why focus on positions of power, only that affect a microscopic percentile of society? Why not the overall work force? Or does this distort your argument? IE All the s****y male dominated jobs women want nothing to do with.

Kind of easy for any marginalized community to point to the lack of representation in business ownership, billionaires and heads of state. Your argument points to Joe Biden being white and old, and "cleverly" omits to mention that Kamala Harris is of Indian descent.

It ignores the advancements of women in politics, as female entrepreneurs, and executives within companies.

There is no such thing as a patriarchy holding women back in modern western society. 

You would have to be specific, in showing how women are stopped because of their gender, vs their own life choices, or simply in some cases not being up to certain qualifications not based on gender, but on competence levels.

IE I dated so many women who couldn't use a power tool to save their lives. Couldn't change a car tire, let alone change oil or filters, or brake pads and rotors. So them not getting such jobs is because women aren't competent, or quite simply, many just aren't interested in fixing objects all day?

Not some subtle microaggressions. 

Am black, I have faced microaggressions my entire life. It hasn't stopped me. In fact, it motivated me. So if I give up and quit, am now a victim in your eyes and its whitey's fault I am a jobless alcoholic? Literally, nothing. No legal obstacle stopped me. I chose to quit. I went through all that BS, and chose to hang it up, vs using it to push me to the next level.

Life is hard. That doesn't prove that women have laws and actual legislative barriers stopping them from advancing their careers.

It just doesn't exist.

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Women are now allowed in the workplace

They have been for quite some time. 

This doesn't point to a system stopping them now.

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

or at least tolerated in most professions. 

As long as they're not driving, its fine. That's a joke.

Life is short. Lighten up.

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

But they are still routinely overlooked and underrepresented when it comes to leadership positions. 

You're not going to get a leadership position with that attitude.

I don't know. My wife is Asian. 

Didn't have time to feel sorry for herself, and had to survive.

She worked in male dominated environments, and was mocked as just some pretty skirt.

She had to own her role, and commanded respect. She's a boss to her bones. She can out hustle any man.

Quickly rose in companies, and became an operation manager in one, and eventually owner of another.

She refuses to be handed a thing.

Would rather start at the bottom, and earn her way to the top.

Notice how you see mostly white women complaining about lack of representation in CEO and high ranking positions?

Women like my wife, gladly take your scraps, but her high competence has her mopping the floor with such women, out pacing them quickly in workplaces.

Your numbers are pure caca when observing the Asian community.

Some of the highest earning demographic. Highest educated.

Why is that? 

Just maybe, they realize life is hard, and that they didn't come to the US to take part. They went there to take over. 

Whining about the lack of CEO positions, is the epitome of privilege and entitlement.

[Caswell Thomas]

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And Ar -15's never were. They're not military hardware. 

 

Honestly i prefer a 1911 cusomized - but i'm old school that way and truth be told not much of a pistol guy. Shotguns are more my fave.

But at the end of the day the hawken is arguably less efficient as a lethal tool than modern guns but  other than that there's nothing terribly magic about semi autos.  A good lever, pump, even a good bolt can go fast enough to make virtually no difference.  And take a heavier round than 5,56 nato any day.  They made a model 7600 remington in 308 with a short barrel and you could get extended mags - that would beat just about any ar in terms of lethality and for less than half the price.

I have owned modern, I prefer ancient. At least the deer get a chance that way. 

[Hodad]

25 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Complaining is fine. But if your complaints are out of touch with reality, you will have a difficult time finding much sympathy.

If one doesn't feel well represented in politics and positions of power, but chooses to ignore the dynamics that cause this, there is nothing you can tell to such a person. 

One thing is for certain, it isn't a patriarchy or some type of similar gatekeeper system keeping women out of such positions inside a free society.

Why focus on positions of power, only that affect a microscopic percentile of society? Why not the overall work force? Or does this distort your argument? IE All the s****y male dominated jobs women want nothing to do with.

Kind of easy for any marginalized community to point to the lack of representation in business ownership, billionaires and heads of state. Your argument points to Joe Biden being white and old, and "cleverly" omits to mention that Kamala Harris is of Indian descent.

It ignores the advancements of women in politics, as female entrepreneurs, and executives within companies.

There is no such thing as a patriarchy holding women back in modern western society. 

You would have to be specific, in showing how women are stopped because of their gender, vs their own life choices, or simply in some cases not being up to certain qualifications not based on gender, but on competence levels.

IE I dated so many women who couldn't use a power tool to save their lives. Couldn't change a car tire, let alone change oil or filters, or brake pads and rotors. So them not getting such jobs is because women aren't competent, or quite simply, many just aren't interested in fixing objects all day?

Not some subtle microaggressions. 

Am black, I have faced microaggressions my entire life. It hasn't stopped me. In fact, it motivated me. So if I give up and quit, am now a victim in your eyes and its whitey's fault I am a jobless alcoholic? Literally, nothing. No legal obstacle stopped me. I chose to quit. I went through all that BS, and chose to hang it up, vs using it to push me to the next level.

Life is hard. That doesn't prove that women have laws and actual legislative barriers stopping them from advancing their careers.

It just doesn't exist.

They have been for quite some time. 

This doesn't point to a system stopping them now.

As long as they're not driving, its fine. That's a joke.

Life is short. Lighten up.

You're not going to get a leadership position with that attitude.

I don't know. My wife is Asian. 

Didn't have time to feel sorry for herself, and had to survive.

She worked in male dominated environments, and was mocked as just some pretty skirt.

She had to own her role, and commanded respect. She's a boss to her bones. She can out hustle any man.

Quickly rose in companies, and became an operation manager in one, and eventually owner of another.

She refuses to be handed a thing.

Would rather start at the bottom, and earn her way to the top.

Notice how you see mostly white women complaining about lack of representation in CEO and high ranking positions?

Women like my wife, gladly take your scraps, but her high competence has her mopping the floor with such women, out pacing them quickly in workplaces.

Your numbers are pure caca when observing the Asian community.

Some of the highest earning demographic. Highest educated.

Why is that? 

Just maybe, they realize life is hard, and that they didn't come to the US to take part. They went there to take over. 

Whining about the lack of CEO positions, is the epitome of privilege and entitlement.

We've had versions of this conversation several times before. You say there's no barrier, but then also point out the aggressions and disproportionate hardships you--and now your wife--have overcome but you made it.

Which makes this the point at which I say "Thanks for helping to make my point."

The possibility is not the same as the probability. Great that you overcame the systemic and cultural headwinds to achieve level of success with which you are happy. Just imagine how much further along you'd be if you worked just as hard while enjoying the tailwinds that are the "birthright" of every white male. 

Sure it's possible to finish a marathon if someone shackles you with 10 pound ankle weights, but you won't win, and a lot of people will give up long before the finish, because there's no winning a rigged race.

All those things you and your wife have overcome isn't proof that there's no systemic and cultural bias. It's proof that there is. White privilege is very real. The patriarchy is very real. They are persistent and pernicious, and they reliably show up in the data.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said:

I have owned modern, I prefer ancient. At least the deer get a chance that way. 

I suppose that's one way of looking at it. But don't kid yourself billy, if a deer ever got the chance it'd kill you and everyone you care about.  (dun dun duuuuuuun)

Edited October 31, 2023 by CdnFox