Battle over Water Rights

Caswell Thomas · October 30, 2023

On 10/23/2023 at 5:00 PM, reason10 said:

If you're wondering why this might get few views (at least from the educated people here) maybe the CNN label could give you a clue. Only brain dead Nazi left wingers read that rag and give it any credibility at all.

To show you I at least had an open mind to scan that shit, apparently the Colorado River is drying up and it appears that California is its largest user. Excuse me, but California has hundreds of miles of COAST LINE. Seems like that fagg state could allocate a fraction of what it spends on welfare checks for wetbacks and build enough desal plants along the coast to FLOOD that state with drinking water.

Bottom line, the world is MOSTLY MADE UP OF WATER. As usual, CNN gets it wrong. Colorado is not running out of water. It is running out of cheap DRINKING water. California is DEFINITELY not running out of water. A good sized tsunami and those faggs would get a taste of just how much WATER there is in the world.

I don't blame the state of Colorado for California's shittty budget and managing record.

Besides another commentators comment on how..unrealistic..using diesel fired desalinization plants would be, there's another much bigger problem if you cut water to California: A third of the country's vegetables and two thirds of the nations fruit and nuts are grown here. ( A few nuts are also born here but we try to ship them off to Florida or Texas as soon as we can) ?

reason10 · October 31, 2023

On 10/30/2023 at 12:05 AM, Caswell Thomas said:

Besides another commentators comment on how..unrealistic..using diesel fired desalinization plants would be, there's another much bigger problem if you cut water to California: A third of the country's vegetables and two thirds of the nations fruit and nuts are grown here. ( A few nuts are also born here but we try to ship them off to Florida or Texas as soon as we can) ?

LA is one of the most polluted cities in the United States. It might be a little expensive to build desal plants along the coast (probably because 80 percent of CaliFAGula's deficit ridden budget is WELFARE), but mooching another state's water supply is so typical of the ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY of that Nazi state. As far as CaliFAGula shipping anything off to Florida or Texas, so far, that FAGG state has been shipping working TAXPAYERS out to other states. What's left behind is unemployed illegal aliens, homeless drug users and a few DemoNazi politicians who created that mess in the first place.

impartialobserver · October 31, 2023

The above post shows how lack of knowledge can be dangerous... These water rights were negotiated decades ago and all parties agreed to it. They are legally binding.

As for desalinization plants... there are reasons for why this has not occurred yet. This is beyond the comprehension of a certain troll. Could they be done? Yes. Will they? No way of knowing that. As for the surface water in CA.. It is going to be a mess. Lots of users (agriculture, cattle ranching, and golf courses being the biggest) combined with the hottest and driest climate in all of America.

impartialobserver · October 31, 2023

It is interesting how it is the Republicans in NV and UT who support measures taken by cities to siphon water from the rural areas.. It is those rural areas that get them elected. Siphon away their water and you make their once small towns into ghost towns.

Caswell Thomas · November 1, 2023

9 hours ago, reason10 said:

LA is one of the most polluted cities in the United States. It might be a little expensive to build desal plants along the coast (probably because 80 percent of CaliFAGula's deficit ridden budget is WELFARE), but mooching another state's water supply is so typical of the ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY of that Nazi state. As far as CaliFAGula shipping anything off to Florida or Texas, so far, that FAGG state has been shipping working TAXPAYERS out to other states. What's left behind is unemployed illegal aliens, homeless drug users and a few DemoNazi politicians who created that mess in the first place.

All I see in the above ..rant...is the raving of a 6th grade mentality in a right wing snake oil salesman masquerading behind the skirts of common courtesy.

impartialobserver · November 1, 2023

14 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

All I see in the above ..rant...is the raving of a 6th grade mentality in a right wing snake oil salesman masquerading behind the skirts of common courtesy.

Interesting how the troll does not realize that the water rights agreements where CA gets Colorado River water were negotiated in the 1950's... When the state was relatively Conservative. Also.. the other states did not have their water taken. They agreed to this arrangement.

herbie · November 1, 2023

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Caswell Thomas · November 2, 2023

9 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Interesting how the troll does not realize that the water rights agreements where CA gets Colorado River water were negotiated in the 1950's... When the state was relatively Conservative. Also.. the other states did not have their water taken. They agreed to this arrangement.

Negotiated, not "stolen".

impartialobserver · November 3, 2023

On 11/1/2023 at 7:21 PM, Caswell Thomas said:

Negotiated, not "stolen".

precisely. the big takeaway should be that they were negotiated before most of the SW's population growth occurred. The agriculture that currently draws from the Colorado was in its infancy. The only sustainable outcome is that less CO river water is allocated to Southern Cal and Western AZ. This will mean a loss of population and/or a loss of non-seasonal fresh fruits going to American consumers in January and February. For those who say, "Well then TX and FL can take up the slack".. simply do not know the nature of certain fruits.

Caswell Thomas · November 3, 2023

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

precisely. the big takeaway should be that they were negotiated before most of the SW's population growth occurred. The agriculture that currently draws from the Colorado was in its infancy. The only sustainable outcome is that less CO river water is allocated to Southern Cal and Western AZ. This will mean a loss of population and/or a loss of non-seasonal fresh fruits going to American consumers in January and February. For those who say, "Well then TX and FL can take up the slack".. simply do not know the nature of certain fruits.

Exactly and that.most modern cultivars fit only certain soils and climes and you can't just.move them to new climes and soils and expect them to.produce the same or anywhere near abundantly.

impartialobserver · November 7, 2023

On 11/3/2023 at 2:59 PM, Caswell Thomas said:

Exactly and that.most modern cultivars fit only certain soils and climes and you can't just.move them to new climes and soils and expect them to.produce the same or anywhere near abundantly.

the sheer amount of mild, sunny days is why Western AZ and the inland empire of SoCal are used for growing citrus fruits, avocadoes, and certain vegetables with longer growing seasons. However, yes you are correct. The other places, TX and FL, have more overcast days.

Caswell Thomas · November 8, 2023

On 11/7/2023 at 1:59 PM, impartialobserver said:

the sheer amount of mild, sunny days is why Western AZ and the inland empire of SoCal are used for growing citrus fruits, avocadoes, and certain vegetables with longer growing seasons. However, yes you are correct. The other places, TX and FL, have more overcast days.

For which they need more water. Hence my argument, the needs of boaters on the Colorado River should not control how the water is distributed.

Nationalist · November 10, 2023

California and Arizona are massive hydroponics farms. The amount of water they have to dump on crops that would never grow naturally in that desert, is insane. Both states have ample water. But they need to learn to quit this hydroponic farming.

Edited November 10, 2023 by Nationalist

impartialobserver · December 15, 2023

The OP was about the Colorado River allocation. However, it is about to get even juicier. The State of California is now demanding that farmers and ranchers in the San Joaquin Delta prove their water rights and allocations. The farmers are gearing up for a fight.. and yet have openly admitted that they have absolutely no legal proof of their water rights. Some will say that agriculture is the best use of the water so why not let operate freely. The issue is that they draw more than they need and sometimes it is not even close. They do so because they can. The result is that the rivers, lakes run dry and then folks opt for drilling and sucking the groundwater dry. There are consequences to doing such a thing.

CdnFox · December 15, 2023

Honestly it sounds like an unresolvable mess if they can't come up with more water somehow (or fewer people)

reason10 · December 17, 2023

On 10/19/2023 at 12:57 PM, impartialobserver said:

I know that this will get very few views.. because it actually matters unlike gossiping about id10t politicians. For the Western US.. this hits home no matter if you care about politics or not.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/us/colorado-river-water-california-arizona-climate/index.html

A couple of items. (By the way, most conservatives here have to pick and choose our topics because we don't have that much free time. Unlike liberals we work jobs during the day.)

1. There is as much water in the world today as there was at the beginning of time. There's no such thing as destroying water. Most of the surface of the earth is water. It would seem the only time water becomes a political football is when development management is absent and humans move to areas with scarce water.

2. California has no business whatsoever getting even ONE DROP of Colorado River water. With the few billionaires left (the ones too stupid with Wokeness to leave that communist shithole) can pay another 10 percent of their earnings in taxes and desal plants could be built all along the Pacific Coast. A modest investment in this idea could flood the state with drinking water.

3. Even if California is completely cut off from the Colorado River, sooner or later those water sources are going to run dry, for the simple reason that if you are moving large numbers of humans into desert land, finite supplies of water will be stretched. The court systems won't make any difference in this very NATURAL outcome, but they WILL make the whole thing a lot more expensive.

4. If these responses kinda vary from the really unprofessionally written screen from CNN, it's not my fault that I write better than their teenager hacks who don't know shit from shinola.

reason10 · December 17, 2023

On 10/31/2023 at 10:31 PM, Caswell Thomas said:

All I see in the above ..rant...is the raving of a 6th grade mentality in a right wing snake oil salesman masquerading behind the skirts of common courtesy.

In other words you're too fugging STUPID to comprehend this discussion and too fugging STUPID to engage in it, like the educated posters.

reason10 · December 17, 2023

On 11/7/2023 at 4:59 PM, impartialobserver said:

the sheer amount of mild, sunny days is why Western AZ and the inland empire of SoCal are used for growing citrus fruits, avocadoes, and certain vegetables with longer growing seasons. However, yes you are correct. The other places, TX and FL, have more overcast days.

Florida has overcast days because we have RAIN. There are no deserts in Florida. This state provides the country with the largest supply of winter produce and the sweetest oranges on the planet. (Hard to tell about California oranges, since you need a truck running over them to break the skins.)

Thing is, Florida has a better economy because we do not have a communist MO RON government running things here.

reason10 · December 17, 2023

On 12/15/2023 at 4:52 PM, CdnFox said:

Honestly it sounds like an unresolvable mess if they can't come up with more water somehow (or fewer people)

California can tax its billionaires and build many desal plants on the Pacific coast. For a small investment (a few billion) that state could FLOOD itself with drinking water. That's an instance where science and technology can solve a problem. Too bad California's science and technology sector is focused only on video games for idi0ts, and putting out pedophile movies from Disney.

CdnFox · December 17, 2023

45 minutes ago, reason10 said:

California can tax its billionaires and build many desal plants on the Pacific coast. For a small investment (a few billion) that state could FLOOD itself with drinking water. That's an instance where science and technology can solve a problem. Too bad California's science and technology sector is focused only on video games for idi0ts, and putting out pedophile movies from Disney.

Well i haven't studied that in the slightest so i can't really have an opinon but it kind of sounds like a very expensive way to get water to be honest. But - they gotta do something, so maybe you're right.

Caswell Thomas · December 18, 2023

21 hours ago, reason10 said:

In other words you're too fugging STUPID to comprehend this discussion and too fugging STUPID to engage in it, like the educated posters.

and again we hear the crying of a loon far off in a quicksand bog of his own making; a shrill and nauseating boat boat of strident clacking and honking geese , making no sound worth hearing.

Legato · December 18, 2023

On 10/30/2023 at 12:05 AM, Caswell Thomas said:

Besides another commentators comment on how..unrealistic..using diesel fired desalinization plants would be, there's another much bigger problem if you cut water to California: A third of the country's vegetables and two thirds of the nations fruit and nuts are grown here. ( A few nuts are also born here but we try to ship them off to Florida or Texas as soon as we can) ?

Yes California has many nuts and fruitcakes.

Caswell Thomas · December 19, 2023

22 hours ago, Legato said:

Yes California has many nuts and fruitcakes.

Yep and if you want any if our veggies and fruit try getting them without water. You realize if you even try to grow food that has been so hybridized in the past 50+ years to grow only in certain climates that the same things will not grow elsewhere anywhere near as profitably? Take the ever popular tomato for example, about 12 kinds of the over 2000 kinds of tomatoes ever make it to markets more than 5 miles from where they are grown because 1) they rot too quickly, 2) they don't grow out of their own particular set of days in a season they have been bred for, 3) they don't ship without breaking their skins, or 4) they are too expensive to grow elsewhere due to specific minerals and heat in the soil. Now, you could grow say a few kinds, maybe some different ines, but profitably such that they were affordable for the average buyer? Not likely. The same is Saud for everything we grow , so if you prefer, go buy all your foods d from local markets cans when they run out...don't come to us for ours because if we have to build deadlines at ion plants for water, we will, but you won't be able to afford any if our home grown foods. So stay out of the Colorado River Water fight if you want to eat.

1 minute ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Yep and if you want any if our veggies and fruit try getting them without water. You realize if you even try to grow food that has been so hybridized in the past 50+ years to grow only in certain climates that the same things will not grow elsewhere anywhere near as profitably? Take the ever popular tomato for example, about 12 kinds of the over 2000 kinds of tomatoes ever make it to markets more than 5 miles from where they are grown because 1) they rot too quickly, 2) they don't grow out of their own particular set of days in a season they have been bred for, 3) they don't ship without breaking their skins, or 4) they are too expensive to grow elsewhere due to specific minerals and heat in the soil. Now, you could grow say a few kinds, maybe some different ines, but profitably such that they were affordable for the average buyer? Not likely. The same is Saud for everything we grow , so if you prefer, go buy all your foods d from local markets cans when they run out...don't come to us for ours because if we have to build desalinization plants for water, we will, but you won't be able to afford any of our home grown foods. So stay out of the Colorado River Water fight if you want to eat.

Legato · December 19, 2023

14 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Yep and if you want any if our veggies and fruit try getting them without water. You realize if you even try to grow food that has been so hybridized in the past 50+ years to grow only in certain climates that the same things will not grow elsewhere anywhere near as profitably? Take the ever popular tomato for example, about 12 kinds of the over 2000 kinds of tomatoes ever make it to markets more than 5 miles from where they are grown because 1) they rot too quickly, 2) they don't grow out of their own particular set of days in a season they have been bred for, 3) they don't ship without breaking their skins, or 4) they are too expensive to grow elsewhere due to specific minerals and heat in the soil. Now, you could grow say a few kinds, maybe some different ines, but profitably such that they were affordable for the average buyer? Not likely. The same is Saud for everything we grow , so if you prefer, go buy all your foods d from local markets cans when they run out...don't come to us for ours because if we have to build deadlines at ion plants for water, we will, but you won't be able to afford any if our home grown foods. So stay out of the Colorado River Water fight if you want to eat.

I tried to get that word salad translated but unfortunately could not find any language that offered some sort of a close resemblance.

reason10 · December 23, 2023

On 12/17/2023 at 1:28 AM, CdnFox said:

Well i haven't studied that in the slightest so i can't really have an opinon but it kind of sounds like a very expensive way to get water to be honest. But - they gotta do something, so maybe you're right.

Desal IS an expensive way to get drinking water. The problem with CaliFAGula is the fact that the state's population is growing faster than the household of a welfare queen, and those residents assume water will appear every time they turn on a tap. Apparently that third world shithole hasn't bothered to compute the ratio of water needs of an expanding population (especially the wetbacks who stream across its non existent borders), and so a lot of liberals there wring their hands and are stupid enough to act surprised when presented with the problem of a finite supply of drinking water. Liberals were never very sharp with math.

The California of Governor Reagan was the best economy in the country and there was plenty for everybody. Problem is, a series of liberal governors not only put that fagg state in the red, budget wise, it didn't bother to take the time to run the numbers on the needs of an exploding population.

Personally, I think it's funny as hell. And those who live there who voted for those idi0ts DESERVE all the high taxes and misery that they live in now.