Complicit in War Crimes

[Gaétan]

38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The Palestinian people are pawns of religious leaders who live in other countries. From the very first minute that Israel has existed there has been an all-out push to commit genocide against Israel, and even a PLO-propaganda victim like you can't deny that. 

The truth is that not one single Palestinian civilian had to die in this war.

What is it now, the 4th or 5th war that was started by Palestinians launching rockets at Israel? 

It was time to put a stop to those filthy id10ts for good. The Israelis need to destroy all the tunnels and get rid of all the terrorists and that's that. 

You believe too much the news on tv

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

You believe too much the news on tv

When was the first Israeli war, stupid, and why? What did the hope to achieve? And the next one? 

What does "Quds day" mean, stupid? 

What is Iran's Quds force for? 

What about the Khartoum resolution? 

Go read, id10t, then come back. 

[Gaétan]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

When was the first Israeli war, stupid, and why? What did the hope to achieve? And the next one? 

What does "Quds day" mean, stupid? 

What is Iran's Quds force for? 

What about the Khartoum resolution? 

Go read, id10t, then come back. 

Israel is the great prostitude of the beast YhVh and the palestinians people the lamb, the leaders of NATO the servants of the beast.

[WestCanMan]

25 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Israel is the great prostitude of the beast YhVh and the palestinians people the lamb, the leaders of NATO the servants of the beast.

Are you in favour of a genocide against all Jews, or just the Israelis? 

[Gaétan]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you in favour of a genocide against all Jews, or just the Israelis? 

Neither the one nor the other but it's all depends of what Israel does, injustice can't win, remember Lot

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Gaétan said:

Neither the one nor the other 

The people you cheer for have been actively/openly trying to commit genocide against the Israelis since 1947. Wake the f up.

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[Gaétan]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The people you cheer for have been actively/openly trying to commit genocide against the Israelis since 1947. Wake the f up.

It is not true, the jews took the houses of palestinians and expell them from their country they must return but now it is hard to make peace after what happenened in Gaza.

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[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

It is not true,

It's true. And now they reap what they sow.

Palestine could end this tomorrow.

[Gaétan]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's true. And now they reap what they sow.

Palestine could end this tomorrow.

Injustice made to palestinians must be repaired otherwise there won't be peace but after what happened in Gaza it is hard to do.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Injustice made to palestinians must be repaired

Not if they're dead.

There comes a point where you either decide 'this is where we are - how do we move forward in peace" or you decide to keep dying. Right now they're keeping dying and that's their choice.  

[WestCanMan]

53 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

It is not true, the jews took the houses of palestinians and expell them from their country they must return but now it is hard to make peace after what happenened in Gaza.

Don't advocate for genocide based on 1948.

If pro-Palestinians want to talk about 1948 in Israel, where 700,000 people were re-settled and 500 people were killed, then they also need to talk about 1947 Pakistan where 10 times as many people were kicked out and 1,500 times as many people were massacred. 

1948 has absolutely nothing to do with this, but if it does, then you have to acknowledge that it was extremely peaceful by comparison to what muslims did 8 months earlier in the exact same scenario. 

[Gaétan]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't advocate for genocide based on 1948.

If pro-Palestinians want to talk about 1948 in Israel, where 700,000 people were re-settled and 500 people were killed, 

Now it is too late after Gaza to talk about peace, israelis have to move in a state of US, they'll never have peace where they are.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Now it is too late after Gaza to talk about peace, israelis have to move in a state of US, they'll never have peace where they are.

Nah - just kill all the Palestinians. Problem solved.

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[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Now it is too late after Gaza to talk about peace, israelis have to move in a state of US, they'll never have peace where they are.

The entire muslim world has forgotten about two genocides that the Pakistanis committed since 1947 that were measured in the millions. The last one was just in 1971. 

They can forget about the time that Gazans committed a terrorist attack against Israel, launching 14,000 rockets at the civilian population there and roasting babies to death in their family's oven, and then Israel counter-attacked. 

Not everyone is as stupid and hateful as you are Gaetan, most people have a clearer understanding of this than you do. 

[Gaétan]

35 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The entire muslim world has forgotten about two genocides that the Pakistanis committed since 1947 that were measured in the millions. The last one was just in 1971. 

They can forget about the time that Gazans committed a terrorist attack against Israel, launching 14,000 rockets at the civilian population there and roasting babies to death in their family's oven, and then Israel counter-attacked. 

Not everyone is as stupid and hateful as you are Gaetan, most people have a clearer understanding of this than you do. 

Pierre Poilievre, your friend, is the servant of the beast and will he be one of the king of NATO describe in the revelation

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Gaétan said:

Pierre Poilievre, your friend, is the servant of the beast and will he be one of the king of NATO describe in the revelation

There are no kings of NATO described in the revelation. 

Go hang around with your child-marrying pals. 

[Gaétan]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There are no kings of NATO described in the revelation. 

Go hang around with your child-marrying pals. 

Revelation 17.12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

The 10 kings are  leaders of NATO, the Lamb is the palestinian people, Israel is the prostitute of the beast. YHVH is the beast.

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Revelation 17.12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

The 10 kings are  leaders of NATO, the Lamb is the palestinian people, Israel is the prostitute of the beast. YHVH is the beast.

Go sweat it out, freak. 

[WestCanMan]

@Gaétan

It's worth noting a few facts here:

1. Jews were legally considered 3rd-class citizens all across the Ottoman empire for 600 years. That was basically all of the ME. 
2. Jews were killed in riots and genocides across the entire ME on a regular basis during that whole 600 years. At no point did Jews ever commit any genocide against muslims in that whole time. 
3. 8 months before Israel came into existence, Pakistan came into existence, driving 8M Sikhs and Hindus from their homes, slaughtering about 800,000 of them.
4. On the day that Israel came into existence, there was an attempt to commit genocide against them by 5 combined armies from muslim countries. 
5. There was another full-scale war by several muslim countries in an overt attempt to commit genocide against the Jews in 1967.
6. This is the 4th or 5th Gaza war. They have dropped thousands of bombs on Israeli citizens.

 

Do you understand all of those things Gaetan? 

[Gaétan]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

@Gaétan

It's worth noting a few facts here:

1. Jews were legally considered 3rd-class citizens all across the Ottoman empire for 600 years. That was basically all of the ME. 
2. Jews were killed in riots and genocides across the entire ME on a regular basis during that whole 600 years. At no point did Jews ever commit any genocide against muslims in that whole time. 
3. 8 months before Israel came into existence, Pakistan came into existence, driving 8M Sikhs and Hindus from their homes, slaughtering about 800,000 of them.
4. On the day that Israel came into existence, there was an attempt to commit genocide against them by 5 combined armies from muslim countries. 
5. There was another full-scale war by several muslim countries in an overt attempt to commit genocide against the Jews in 1967.
6. This is the 4th or 5th Gaza war. They have dropped thousands of bombs on Israeli citizens.

 

Do you understand all of those things Gaetan? 

Do you have links to support that and does it justifiy the genocide of palestinians?

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Do you have links to support that and does it justifiy the genocide of palestinians?

No - but october 7th does justify the war and the killing of however many is necessary for israel to secure it's safety.  Hopefully that won't be all of them but we'll see.

[Gaétan]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No - but october 7th does justify the war and the killing of however many is necessary for israel to secure it's safety.  Hopefully that won't be all of them but we'll see.

A big problem is that the world is made of too many stupid people like you. What they do won't bring peace to Israel but only wars.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

A big problem is that the world is made of too many stupid people

Well the israelis are reducing the number of stupid people as fast as they can at the moment.

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  What they do won't bring peace to Israel but only wars.

 

Not if all the stupid Palestinians are gone. Hopefully the surviving ones smarten up.

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Do you have links to support that

1. Ottoman Empire, Jews as 3rd-class citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

• Antisemitism[edit]

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  In 1865, when the equality of all subjects of the Ottoman Empire was proclaimed, Ahmed Cevdet Pasha, a high-ranking official observed, "whereas in former times, in the Ottoman State, the communities were ranked, with the Muslims first, then the Greeks, then the Armenians, then the Jews, now all of them were put on the same level. Some Greeks objected to this, saying: 'The government has put us together with the Jews. We were content with the supremacy of Islam.'"^[42]

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  Benny Morris writes that one symbol of Jewish degradation was the phenomenon of stone-throwing at Jews by Muslim children. Morris quotes a 19th-century traveler:

  I have seen a little fellow of six years old, with a troop of fat toddlers of only three and four, teaching [them] to throw stones at a Jew, and one little urchin would, with the greatest coolness, waddle up to the man and literally spit upon his Jewish gaberdine. To all this the Jew is obliged to submit; it would be more than his life was worth to offer to strike a Mohammedan.^[44]

2.Massacres of Jews in the Ottoman Empire:

Keep in mind as you read this, that during the 1948 partition, under 500 muslims were killed. The largest massacre was at Deir Yassin, about 104-108 people, which still stokes violent rage within the muslim community...

• There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828.^[41] 
• There was a massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867.^[41]

• Throughout the 1860s, the Jews of Libya were subjected to what Gilbert calls punitive taxation. In 1864, around 500 Jews were killed in Marrakech and Fezin Morocco.

• In 1869, 18 Jews were killed in Tunis, and an Arab mob looted Jewish homes and stores, and burned synagogues, on Jerba Island.

• In 1875, 20 Jews were killed by a mob in Demnat, Morocco; elsewhere in Morocco, Jews were attacked and killed in the streets in broad daylight.

• In 1891, the leading Muslims in Jerusalem asked the Ottoman authorities in Constantinople to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia. In 1897, synagogues were ransacked and Jews were murdered in Tripolitania.^[39]

  An important instance of anti-Semitism around this time was the Damascus affair, in which many Jews in Damascus (which was then under the leadership of Muhammad Ali of Egypt) were arrested after being accused of murdering the Christian Father Thomas and his servant in an instance of blood libel. While the authorities under Sharif Pasha, Egyptian governor of Damascus, tortured the accused until they confessed to the crime, and killed two Jews who refused to confess, prominent European Jews such as Adolphe Crémieux demanded the release of the condemned.^[43]

   

3. Pakistan at Partition:

So many people were killed during the Pakistani partition, which only preceded the Palestinian partition by 8 months, that estimates vary anywhere from 400,000 to 2 million. I've even seen 3M as an estimate before, bit it's quite far off from the majority of estimates that I don't give it any credibility anymore. 

The only reason for this partition was that the muslims in 1947 India - much like the Jews in 1948 'Palestine' - wanted their own sovereign state when the British pulled out. In both instances some massacres occurred. The ones in Israel were infinitesimally smaller, and they happened while the armies of 5 countries were massing to attacking Israel. There were no foreign armies gathering on Pakistan's border to attack them: they were under no such external pressure. 

Just keep in mind that this is only the estimate for Pakistan's first genocide, and they created a larger genocide in 1971.

To get an idea of the epic scale and the desperation of this migration, listen to an ex-soldier who was sent to the new border to oversee the safety of refugees from 1:11:45 to 1:12:45.

The whole documentary is worth watching, it's well done imo. 

 

4. Israel attacked on day 1 of their existence:

• On the eve of the British forces’ May 15, 1948, withdrawal, Israel declared independence. The fighting intensified immediately: Egypt launched an aerial assault on Tel Aviv and, the next day, Arab forces from Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon occupied the areas in southern and eastern Palestine not apportioned to the Jews by the UN partition of Palestine and then captured East Jerusalem, including the small Jewish quarter of the Old City. The Israelis, meanwhile, won control of the main road to Jerusalem through the Yehuda Mountains (“Hills of Judaea”) and successfully repulsed repeated Arab attacks. By early 1949 the Israelis had managed to occupy all of the Negev up to the former Egypt-Palestine frontier, except for the Gaza Strip.

So that's day 1 of Israel's sovereign existence: attacked by the combined armies of 5 countries, all with the goal of ethnically cleansing the country the way that the Pakistanis had ethnically cleansed their new country just a few months earlier. 

Make no mistake, the goal was to eradicate Israel.

5. In 1967 the ME armies joined up again to attack Israel and wipe it off the map, but Israel launched a surprise pre-emptive strike that destroyed most of the planes in the Egyptian and Syrian air forces while their planes were still on the ground. The war was almost like the Israelis just mopping up what remained. It may have been the quickest and most decisive/lopsided victory in the whole history of warfare.

6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

• Since 2001, Palestinian militants have launched tens of thousands^[1][2][3][4] of rocket and mortar attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip as part of the continuing Israeli–Palestinian conflict. 

I get that the Israelis shoot most of those down, but we're only talking about 23 years here... If Gazans keep this up for another 75 years, how many more rockets can Israel shoot down, buddy? 

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and does it justifiy the genocide of palestinians?

There is no "genocide" of Palestinians.

The PLO's stated goal was the eradication of Israel, and that goes back long before you were born. Eradication. IE, no Israel. All Jews dead.

When Israel gets attacked by 5 countries at a time it's always done with the goal of genocide/eradication. 

Believe me, if the Palestinians or Egyptians ever got power over Tel Aviv like the Jews have over Gaza, almost everyone there would die, and quickly.

It has taken the Israelis 6 months to move south through Gaza, it's only 25 miles long. If they reached the Egyptian border today, that would put their pace at just over 700 feet/day. Two football fields a day.

If the Israelis were trying to kill Palestinians they could have gone 25 miles on day 1. 

FYI before the Israelis bomb buildings they drop "un-bombs" on them. They just shake the buildings without destroying them so that civilians inside get a chance to flee. So do Hamas. They can flee before actual bombs hit. 

But make no mistake, the Israelis have to clear out/destroy all those tunnels and eradicate the rocket threat of Hamas in Gaza. 

Hamas can put rocket fuel and high explosives into a re-purposed water pipe for a few hundred bucks, and that money comes from Iran anyways. The Israelis have to build missiles that can hit each one of those cheap rockets in flight or their kids will just die all the time.   

The cost difference between building a simple murder rocket and building a self-defence rocket that can shoot the murder rocket down is insane. Israel can't afford to just keep shooting down rockets for 30 more years.

The Gazans have to be stopped. 

The Israelis aren't 'committing' a genocide, they're defending themselves from a genocide. And that's not just me talking. It's what Israel's enemies say. It's what they brag about. It's what they dream about. If you don't believe me, look how they acted on Oct 7th... You don't burn women and children to death, parade their naked corpses so that people can spit on them, if you're fighting a war. The Palestinians aren't at war with Israel. They are trying to wipe them out. 

FYI when Canadian soldiers go to war, and play nice with POWs and civilians, it's because they have that option. Our soldiers have never had to defend Canadians from a genocide before. If we did, we'd play by a much nastier set of rules. 

[Gaétan]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Israelis aren't 'committing' a genocide, they're defending themselves from a genocide. 

They do it the wrong way and you can see the genocide of palestinians on TV