Should Hamas support rallies in Canada be stopped?

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

That's right it, because it was drafted in 1922.

The White Paper was implemented in 1939, to appease the Arab World so they would not align themselves with Nazi Germans, considering they had an abundance of oil for the war effort.

Prior to the, the Balfour Declaration was implemented in 1917, promising the land of Palestine as a future Jewish homeland.

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20 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Most of the World has been fought over be various tribes, races, ethnic groups, etc. The more powerful group won.  Deal with it.

Well, it sure doesn't look to me like this fight is over or has been dealt with at all. Its still raging with no end in sight.

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1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

The White Paper was implemented in 1939, to appease the Arab World so they would not align themselves with Nazi Germans, considering they had an abundance of oil for the war effort.

And then it was apparently scrapped because Britain's allies were more interested in accepting Nazi refugees instead of Jewish refugees.

I'm betting Britain knew exactly what would happen when they encouraged Israel's creation, it would help create the divisive conditions that would make securing the abundance of oil in the region easier in the new emerging struggle with the Soviets -  which is apparently also the reason we were more accepting of Nazi refugees.

[CdnFox]

 

 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

No if you mean post Oct 7th, and you do.

Well how about something 30 years old? or 5 or 2?  

Apparently you think it's ok to slaughter people today because of a paper produce 100 years ago.  I would say it isn't.

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well, it sure doesn't look to me like this fight is over or has been dealt with at all. Its still raging with no end in sight.

There's an end in sight - total occupation and denial of any weapons or armaments or self rule.

If they thought it was a prison before....

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10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Apparently you think it's ok to slaughter people today because of a paper produce 100 years ago.  I would say it isn't.

Apparently you people think the ancient history of Canada's First Nations means nothing while maintaining the ancient history of Israel is all that matters. I would say you're completely full of shit, especially the atheists amongst you.

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15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There's an end in sight - total occupation and denial of any weapons or armaments or self rule.

Just as in Afghanistan and Iraq, using intense force against paramilitaries is not working. Once more it will have disastrous consequences

At the start of the second month of the Gaza war, two questions emerge: what kind of conflict are we witnessing and how long will it last? These questions force us to consider longer trends in modern warfare, linked not just to the post-9/11 “wars on terror” but to a more global security paradigm that is about maintaining control, rather than addressing the underlying causes of revolt.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/08/israel-hamas-war-palestine-military-solutions-political-problems

You're merely mowing the lawn and ignoring the root causes. And no you won't find these under Gaza no matter how much you dig.

 

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

like you, army brat, it seems that this reply is all you got also. Why don't you start digging until you get to China. ?

Ya ok, big fella...

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I'm quoting modern history that occurred within living and legal memory. The consequences of forcible occupation, colonization and relocation have all been within the living memory of direct descendants have only worsened over time.

 

What i was trying to say is that the mandate changed over time, as did the distribution of the land given to each side...forcible occupation did not come until after the people of thousands of Palestinians attacked the newly created state of Israel with the objective of killing all the Jews with that in mind why would you give them their land back...

Everyone else has signed peace agreements with Israel...except Palestine. because they don't want peace, they have stated so for the record....and Israel left Gaza so it could mange it's own people in the early 2000, and here we are in 2023 they are not occupied, so that is not a condition any more.

[Army Guy]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Just as in Afghanistan and Iraq, using intense force against paramilitaries is not working. Once more it will have disastrous consequences

At the start of the second month of the Gaza war, two questions emerge: what kind of conflict are we witnessing and how long will it last? These questions force us to consider longer trends in modern warfare, linked not just to the post-9/11 “wars on terror” but to a more global security paradigm that is about maintaining control, rather than addressing the underlying causes of revolt.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/08/israel-hamas-war-palestine-military-solutions-political-problems

You're merely mowing the lawn and ignoring the root causes. And no you won't find these under Gaza no matter how much you dig.

 

How can one talk about peace when hamas wants only to kill every Jew globally...when one side does not want peace then the conflict steps it up until losses brings them to the table...and you said i don't understand politics...Hamas has not lost enough people or soldiers...but they will...

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Apparently you people think the ancient history of Canada's First Nations means nothing while maintaining the ancient history of Israel is all that matters.

Ahh - no, first off i never mentioned the first nations at all. What do they have to do with israel?  And i never mentioned the ancient history of isreal - in fact i complained you went back as far as 100 years.  So it's YOU who's more fixated on the past.

As to the first nations thing... is that what this is about for you? Your racist hatred of 'whitey' and the 'colonials' is being transferred to another group? You see the israelis as the same people and somehow imagine the palestinians as being first nations stand ins?

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I would say you're completely full of shit, especially the atheists amongst you.

The athiests? Now what the hell do THEY have to do with anything?

These "athiests"....  are they in the room with you right now?

Kid -your head is a mess. You really need to see someone professional. It's obvious this has resulted in emotional damage for you and you can't think straight.

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

And then it was apparently scrapped because Britain's allies were more interested in accepting Nazi refugees instead of Jewish refugees.

It had nothing to do with that. At the end of the war, the British Empire was being dismantled, and they gave the territory to the UN.  

 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I'm betting Britain knew exactly what would happen when they encouraged Israel's creation, it would help create the divisive conditions that would make securing the abundance of oil in the region easier in the new emerging struggle with the Soviets -  which is apparently also the reason we were more accepting of Nazi refugees.

If Britain was worried about securing oil, they never would have written the Balfour Declaration in 1917, since it was going to upset the Arabs. Securing oil would have been easier, if the British gave Palestine to the Arabs.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Well, it sure doesn't look to me like this fight is over or has been dealt with at all. Its still raging with no end in sight.

The fight has been over for decades. Israel is too strong, and could pretty much defeat any nation in the immediate vicinity. 

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5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

It can not be done with out blood shed...Not in Iran, the government has to many loyal supporters, they have already killed thousands in protests, I can just imigine what would happen in a coup...

The west has already tried the war on terror and did not do so well...This would have to be the middle east countries that could take down Iran... 

Please refer to my earlier post describing the 8 principals the West has to do to help to topple Islamic republic without the need for a single shot. The nation of Iran will topple the regime with the help from the West. To star, STOP helping the Iranian regime by giving money to them/ The nation of Iran will not forget or forgive.

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2 hours ago, taxme said:

If Canada does not soon stop all immigration from the Middle East, and the rest of the world for awhile, we just may end up with a bigger problem for Canada and Canadians in the future. We are seeing big demonstrations in Canada today by Arabs. Arabs hate Jews, and Jews hate Arabs. That does not sound like a recipe for peace here in Canada. They are both now battling it out in Canada today, and we are stuck in the middle. 

This is what we get when we allow our stupid brain dead politicians to decide for us that Canada should become a more multicultural and diverse country and start bringing in all different people of all colors and religions by the millions. The British/European people of Canada are in for some rough times ahead if we continue on this present day leftist liberal immigration policy that we have today. I never asked for multiculturalism to be implemented n Canada. Did you?  

Multiculturalism is fine as long as we bring in the right cultures and that excludes those who are hateful, women haters, islamo-fascists, terrorist supporters. Europeans are much more culturally compatible with Canadians than Middle East and Africa or Asia so why the majority of recent immigrants are from non-compatible cultures? The white culture of Canada should be preserved in my view.

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3 hours ago, taxme said:

No, you did not. Stop lying, because if you did, I would remember so. If you did, you did not explain it very well to me as to why most of the world hates Israel. Want to give it a second try as to why Israel is hated so much, just for me? Pretty pretty please. ?

 

Alright, sorry if I did not explain it properly.  I also don't entirely blame you for not having all this information.  It appears most people have no idea of the root causes and history of antisemitism.  Most know very little about it. 

Please bear with me.  I just found what appears to be a very excellent article describing the roots of antisemitism over the past 2,000 years.  It seems to include a wealth of information on the subject.  This may be the best article I have come across on the internet on it.  I am not sure if I should post part of it on here or just give the link.  I think it may be too long to post the whole article.  Some people get upset if I post something that is too long.

I will paste the first part of the article here, but please go to the link because the whole article gives extremely valuable information right up to the present on this subject.

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Anti-Semitism, (see Researcher’s Note) hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or racial group. The term anti-Semitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns underway in central Europe at that time. Nazi anti-Semitism, which culminated in the Holocaust, had a racist dimension in that it targeted Jews because of their supposed biological characteristics—even those who had themselves converted to other religions or whose parents were converts. This variety of anti-Jewish racism dates only to the emergence of so-called “scientific racism” in the 19th century and is different in nature from earlier anti-Jewish prejudices.

The persistence of anti-Semitism into the 21st century and the marked rise in anti-Semitic incidents in the early decades of the century have prompted new consideration of how to define and combat the phenomenon, which has both incorporated old tropes and taken on new forms.

The origins of Christian anti-Semitism

Anti-Semitism has existed to some degree wherever Jews have settled outside Palestine. In the ancient Greco-Roman world, religious differences were the primary basis for anti-Semitism. In the Hellenistic Age, for instance, Jews’ social segregation and their refusal to acknowledge the gods worshipped by other peoples aroused resentment among some pagans, particularly in the 1st century BCE–1st century CE. Unlike polytheistic religions, which acknowledge multiple gods, Judaism is monotheistic—it recognizes only one God. However, pagans saw Jews’ principled refusal to worship emperors as gods as a sign of disloyalty.

Although Jesus of Nazareth and his disciples were practicing Jews and Christianity is rooted in the Jewish teaching of monotheism, Judaism and Christianity became rivals soon after Jesus was crucified by Pontius Pilate, who executed him according to contemporary Roman practice. Religious rivalry initially was theological. It soon also became political.

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Anti-Semitism | History, Meaning, Facts, & Examples | Britannica

I hope this helps.  I plan to examine this closely myself as it is full of valuable information.

Also, I would add that much of the professing Christian church has been one of the main sources of antisemitism in the past 2,000 years.  Antisemitism and any form of hate is entirely unbiblical and cannot be justified as it goes against the major command to love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

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1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

It had nothing to do with that. At the end of the war, the British Empire was being dismantled, and they gave the territory to the UN.

Washing their hands of their empire is more like it. I can't think of any other country on Earth that's managed to avoid more responsibility for the dysfunction and instability in the world than England has.

Attacks by Zionists terrorists who didn't like Churchill's White Paper also helped to hasten their departure.

Britain's parting shot was to give them what they wanted. I find it very hard to believe that Britain, it's allies and the UN didn't know what would happen after Israel was wafted into existence. They certainly should have known.

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

The fight has been over for decades. Israel is too strong, and could pretty much defeat any nation in the immediate vicinity. 

Not without the west standing behind it.

You'd think a people who believe they're involved in a struggle that's spanned thousands of years would pause to consider how brief the period of time is in which they've had this wind at their back and especially how fickle that wind has been. Again recall the voyage of the St Louis not to mention Jewish refugees being spurned in favour of Nazi refugees.

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2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

How can one talk about peace

With way less than a 1000 words.

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18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

With way less than a 1000 words.

That peace failed.  Guess you really can't talk about it.

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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ahh - no, first off i never mentioned the first nations at all.

That's right, I did.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And i never mentioned the ancient history of isreal - in fact i complained you went back as far as 100 years.  So it's YOU who's more fixated on the past.

This is modern history - within living and legal memory. Its the farthest thing from ancient.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You see the israelis as the same people and somehow imagine the palestinians as being first nations stand ins?

No, simply that the people who support colonialism here support it there and for the same apparent reason

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The athiests? Now what the hell do THEY have to do with anything?

I don't see to many conservative atheists calling out Christians when they add scripture to the pile of evidence being tossed on the scale. It must be that big tent thing where you'll sleep with anyone if it helps the cause.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That's right, I did.

Ah - so you were just making shit up i'd never said at random. You often do that when you've realized you've lost a discussion i notice.

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This is modern history - within living and legal memory. Its the farthest thing from ancient.

It's 100 years ago. Name the living person who still remembers it.

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No, simply that the people who support colonialism here support it there and for the same apparent reason

Oh - so you were just being a racist bigot agian.  Gotcha.  I'm white so i must support colonialsm everywhere.  Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on all natives being drunks and all blacks being theives?

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I don't see to many conservative atheists calling out Christians when they add scripture to the pile of evidence being tossed on the scale. It must be that big tent thing where you'll sleep with anyone if it helps the cause.

You have literally seen me do that.  Many many times. Blackbird started a whole thread claiming i should be kicked over how much i give him a hard time when he uses his imaginary friend as 'proof' of one argument or another. And others on this board as well have done the same thing.   Tho i'd say i'm more agnostic than athiest.

So once again - just some random crap because you felt you were losing the argument, got mad and decided to make crap up.

Yeash dude.  Go get some sleep, we'll talk tomorrow.

 

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4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Attacks by Zionists terrorists who didn't like Churchill's White Paper also helped to hasten their departure.

You may want to reread history if you think Churchill authored or was responsible for implementing the White Paper. 

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Britain's parting shot was to give them what they wanted. I find it very hard to believe that Britain, it's allies and the UN didn't know what would happen after Israel was wafted into existence. They certainly should have known.

Once again, this is historically inaccurate. The British abandoned Palestine, and handed it over to the UN, after Jewish groups, mainly the Haganah (future IDF) were engaging guerrilla warfare against the British, which included bombing the King David hotel. The British realised this was a no-win situation, as both groups were against them.

 

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

You'd think a people who believe they're involved in a struggle that's spanned thousands of years would pause to consider how brief the period of time is in which they've had this wind at their back and especially how fickle that wind has been. Again recall the voyage of the St Louis not to mention Jewish refugees being spurned in favour of Nazi refugees.

The main reason for postwar aid to the Jews of Palestine, was Western guilt for not helping the Jews escape from the Holocaust.  This was especially true in North America, where there was a significant Jewish population.  The money raised by International Jewish organisations also helped Israel buy military equipment from many countries in Europe, which was beneficial as the War of Independence progressed. 

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15 hours ago, taxme said:

 

I am not a failure, arse hole. And if Jews need to be blamed for something, than i will express my opinion about them. After all, like gentiles, Jews are not all perfect. They have their flaws also. So, live with it. ? 

You hate Jews. Everyone here knows it. You don't seem to be religious, so you're not acting out of religious zeal. That leaves the usual jealousy and anger. Everyone here knows it. You're not fooling anyone.

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

Apparently you people think the ancient history of Canada's First Nations means nothing

Canada's 'first nations' had no written language so no one knows anything about their history other than rumor and what can be discerned from the violence done to various bodies the archeologists dig up.

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16 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You hate Jews. Everyone here knows it.

Do or should people discern a difference between taxme and Jews that are called anti-Semitic or are they all the same? 

 

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21 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Canada's 'first nations' had no written language so no one knows anything about their history other than rumor and what can be discerned from the violence done to various bodies the archeologists dig up.

Hmmm, I wonder why this doesn't cause the Supreme Court of Canada to toss out land claim cases that are brought before it?  The judges are woke or something?

Maybe PP can fix that too.

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13 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, simply that the people who support colonialism here support it there and for the same apparent reason

Did you know the whole world was settled by colonization?  

However, the re-establishment of the official State of Israel in 1948 is far more complicated than simply throwing the word "colonization" out there.  Israel existed thousands of years ago and many things happened in that land since then.  The Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and since then the Jews have been scattered or dispersed to other countries around the world although some did remain in the region called Palestine and many moved back there in the 20th century.  

Antisemitism has a long history in the world.  If you want to close your eyes to history and say it is not relevant, that is your choice.  But then why claim aboriginals have certain valid claims to the land based on their history but not the Jews?  That is hypocrisy and obvious antisemitism.   You want to favour certain groups but not others, especially Jews.  Why can't the Jews claim history on their side but the natives can?

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Nazi anti-Semitism and the Holocaust

The storm of anti-Semitic violence loosed by Nazi Germany under the leadership of Adolf Hitler from 1933 to 1945 not only reached a terrifying intensity in Germany itself but also inspired anti-Jewish movements elsewhere. Anti-Semitism was promulgated in France by the Cagoulards (French: “Hooded Men”), in Hungary by the Arrow Cross, in England by the British Union of Fascists, and in the United States by the German-American Bund and the Silver Shirts.

Nuremberg Race Laws chart

A chart issued under the Nuremberg Laws (German: Nürnberger Gesetze) that was intended to teach the Nazi concept of “blood purity.” The discriminatory, anti-Semitic Nuremberg Laws—also known as the Nuremberg Race Laws—were announced in 1935 at Nürnberg (Nuremberg) in Germany during a Nazi Party rally. This chart identifies three “races,” one of which is “Jews,” and ostensibly explains how a person's ancestry can be used to categorize that person.(more)

In Nazi Germany, anti-Semitism reached a racial dimension never before experienced. Christianity had sought the conversion of the Jews, and political leaders from Spain to England had sought their expulsion because Jews were practitioners of Judaism, but the Nazis—who regarded Jews not only as members of a subhuman race but as a dangerous cancer that would destroy the German people—sought the “final solution to the Jewish question,” the murder of all Jews— men, women, and children—and their eradication from the human race. In Nazi ideology that perceived Jewishness to be biological, the elimination of the Jews was essential to the purification and even the salvation of the German people.

 

Jewish badge used in the Netherlands

Jewish badge worn in the Netherlands during World War II. Beginning in April 1942, all people in the Netherlands identified as Jews were required, by law, to wear a badge like this one, which is a yellow Star of David outlined in black with the Dutch word Jood (“Jew”) at its centre. This badge was a visible designation of Jewish identity that expressed and encouraged the persecution and dehumanization of those who wore it. The Netherlands were occupied by Nazi Germany in May 1940.(more)

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