CdnFox Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, eyeball said: They don't have a country, they have a reservation...barely. Not for long i suspect. As to the 'country' thing - they've been offered a two state solution plenty. they don't want it because that means admitting isreal is legit. That's their choice. Every single person there chooses to live there knowing that's the deal - that they're going to war with isreal sooner or later. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Army Guy Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: Not the kids and not the 42-58% of Palestinians who don't vote for Hamas. Israel knows this full well but punishes everyone as if they're all the same. Hamas is the elected government, elected by their people, not sure why that is so hard to grasp....and has their government they have sanctioned these terrorist acts on Israel....and Israel declared war in retaliation for these acts... As i mentioned earlier if the Liberals policies were responsible for another nation to declare war on us do you think they only going to kill liberal MP's, wouldn't that be nice... but no regular Canadians would pay the price, those and the poor and middle class that volunteer to go to war...won't be a liberal MP in the bunch...but hey this is Hamas we are talking about they get a special hall pass...cause they are terrorist...who want to come to Canada and collect that 10.5 million terrorist's pay out... That declaration is made against all Palestinians, not just the terrorist ones, all of them...and while the rules of war provide very little protection to civilians Israel will do it's best to keep colleterial damage to a minimum...and while the killing of women and children is tragic, it has been a part of war every since man picked up the first club...and yet man still continues to solve it's problems via violence...knowing full well the weakest are going to pay the highest cost... and then we act in surprise when those deaths are announced... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, eyeball said: They don't have a country, they have a reservation...barely. They have a state which is under Palestinian administration.... State of Palestine - Wikipedia Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: That's their choice. Every single person there chooses to live there knowing that's the deal - that they're going to war with isreal sooner or later. Same is true with Israeli settlers, they know full well that more unmitigated colonization will only lead to more conflict. Israel is its own enemy here. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Same is true with Israeli settlers, they know full well that more unmitigated colonization will only lead to more conflict. Israel is its own enemy here. Well that's entirely false of course. They know they have a right not to be attacked and to defend themselves if they are. It's as simple as that. Isreal didnt' start the war, that was Gaza. And in war there's a winner and a loser. Gaza thought it doesn't work that way but it does. Guess they're finding out now, but every single person who dies there did so because of the people of gaza. Too late to complain AFTER you start the war. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Isreal didnt' start the war, that was Gaza. No, it was England that did that. BTW where are all the articles and news stories chronicling Conservative outrage at Liberals pandering to Nazi refugees following WW2? You're just going to leave that hanging out there like all your other bullshit? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 29 minutes ago, eyeball said: No, it was England that did that. No it was gaza . Funny enough turns out that crossing a border in large numbers en masse and killing tonnes of people including women and children is considered an "Act of war" in some countries. Who knew? So now they started this war and isreal looks like they're going to finiish it. Quote BTW where are all the articles and news stories chronicling Conservative outrage at Liberals pandering to Nazi refugees following WW2? You're just going to leave that hanging out there like all your other bullshit? Trying to change the channel again little guy? Always a sure sign you know you're wrong. Gaza started the war - and now one way or another they'll have to wait till it's finished and they get to own every single thing that happens. Don't like it - don't start wars. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So now they started this war and isreal looks like they're going to finiish it. Hamas merely started the latest skirmish. Israel doesn't have a clue what to do except do the same thing over again. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, eyeball said: Hamas merely started the latest skirmish. Hamas started the war. Isreal seems determined to finish it. Hamas and gaza will have to live with their decisions which it would seem will include losing the war. Deservedly. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Hamas started the war. Hamas didn't even exist in 1948. It was England and it's allies that started it, why? Because countries like Canada wanted nothing to do with Jewish refugees. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted October 22, 2023 Report Posted October 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, eyeball said: Hamas didn't even exist in 1948. But it did exist last week when the war started. It was elected to gov't by the people who are now going to get blown up as a direct result of starting this war. Don't like it - don't start wars you can't win with israel. Of course - bit late for that now. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Guest Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/22/2023 at 5:50 PM, CdnFox said: But it did exist last week when the war started. Seriously. Thats like a black man shooting down an entire family, and blaming his actions on the slavery days. Uh, no. Your a** walked into that store, and paid for that gun. Had you been a slave, you wouldn't have bad the capacity to buy it. Hamas planned the attack. They coordinated and executed it. They wanted maximum carnage. The consequences should be theirs to bear. There is no such thing as going back to normal after an attack like this. Hamas are a group of savages. And savages only respect brutal consequences. This is a lesson that unfortunately will be felt mostly by their population, just like Israel. I don't see how Israel doesn't have the right to wage this war, in retaliation. Considering the last times the US were attacked by outside forces killing thousands in their population, it resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths of those in enemy territory. Heck they even wiped a city off of the map. Quote
CdnFox Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 48 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: Seriously. Thats like a black man shooting down an entire family, and blaming his actions on the slavery days. exactly. "100 years ago your family owned my family so it's ok if i break into your house and shoot your children". That is LITERALLY the argument some of the people are making. Quote Uh, no. Your a** walked into that store, and paid for that gun. Had you been a slave, you wouldn't have bad the capacity to buy it. Hamas planned the attack. They coordinated and executed it. They wanted maximum carnage. The consequences should be theirs to bear. That is true - but the people of Gaza who supported Hamas also have a responsibility here. Call it accessory to murder instead of murder if you like but Hamas was only able to operate and do what it did because it had the support of the people. Quote There is no such thing as going back to normal after an attack like this. Hamas are a group of savages. And savages only respect brutal consequences. This is a lesson that unfortunately will be felt mostly by their population, just like Israel. I don't see how Israel doesn't have the right to wage this war, in retaliation. Not just retaliation but self defense. This wasn't some one off - hamas has been attacking israel damn near non stop for decades now - sometiems small attacks like sending fire ballons over the border but often big attacks like this - firing rockets, killing civillians, etc. If you have a rabid dog in the house, you have to put it down. And yes - the population is going to have to suffer the consequences of their allowing this to happen. Quote Considering the last times the US were attacked by outside forces killing thousands in their population, it resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths of those in enemy territory. Heck they even wiped a city off of the map. Several cities. Nagasaki AND hiroshima, not to mention dresden and hamburg which were pretty much as bad. The german and the japanese people wound up oaying the price for the wars their political leaders stated and that is ALWAYS how it winds up working. Which is why it's important to be very careful picking your leaders. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Legato Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) On 10/22/2023 at 5:24 PM, CdnFox said: Hamas started the war. Isreal seems determined to finish it. Hamas and gaza will have to live with their decisions which it would seem will include losing the war. Deservedly. did it wrongy Edited October 24, 2023 by Legato 1 Quote
Legato Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/22/2023 at 5:29 PM, eyeball said: Hamas didn't even exist in 1948. It was England and it's allies that started it, why? Because countries like Canada wanted nothing to do with Jewish refugees. Because of the Holocaust and ant-Jewish sentiment from many countries. Where would you have them go....Wakanda? 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, Legato said: Because of the Holocaust and ant-Jewish sentiment from many countries. Where would you have them go....Wakanda? I think the rational solution was that they live on endor with the wookies and Chewbacca but - obviously mistakes were made and we are where we are. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 34 minutes ago, Legato said: Because of the Holocaust and ant-Jewish sentiment from many countries. Where would you have them go....Wakanda? Nope, I would have carved off a big piece of Germany to provide a European homeland for Jews that survived the Holocaust. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Nope, I would have carved off a big piece of Germany to provide a European homeland for Jews that survived the Holocaust. the soviets held much of germany and they weren't jew-friendly. So that wasn't an option. Got a second choice? No? Isreal it is then Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 25 minutes ago, CdnFox said: the soviets held much of germany and they weren't jew-friendly. So that wasn't an option. Yeah well, the Allies should have listened to General Patton. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Yeah well, the Allies should have listened to General Patton. Wouldn't have helped the jews. Can't exactly settle where there's a war going on. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
WestCanMan Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Perspektiv said: The consequences should be theirs to bear. This seems to be one of the main areas where liberals and conservatives will never see eye to eye. There's no end to the types of heinous acts that Liberals will forgive, and conservatives are always about accountability for the smallest of transgressions. It's like they tore a bible in two and some people got the "forgiveness" half and the others got the "eye for an eye" half. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
CdnFox Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: This seems to be one of the main areas where liberals and conservatives will never see eye to eye. There's no end to the types of heinous acts that Liberals will forgive, and conservatives are always about accountability for the smallest of transgressions. It's like they tore a bible in two and some people got the "forgiveness" half and the others got the "eye for an eye" half. the smart ones got the - "if you poke me in the eye - i'll shoot you in the head and that should pretty much be the end of your eye-poking days" message Violence is to be avoided as much as possible - and where it can't be it should be merciless and complete. Those who pound their swords into ploughsheers wind up ploughing for those who didn't, and those who forgive their enemy tend to still have an enemy. I'm a firm believer in doing all you can to negotiate to work with others. But - if that fails and you simply cannot achieve peace by negotiation and compromise - wipe the bastards out and grind them into the dust until they surrender unconditionally. How many times has japan or germany bombed us in the last 80 years? 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Wouldn't have helped the jews. Can't exactly settle where there's a war going on. It would once it was over. Never mind the fact they've been at war ever since they settled in Palestine. Edited October 24, 2023 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 46 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: There's no end to the types of heinous acts that Liberals will forgive As long as it fits within a narrative. They otherwise will operate like a mob, if considering their extreme side. Heck, they will eat their own. 48 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: "eye for an eye" half. Healthy boundaries. Don't bomb my country, and we won't bomb yours. I find when there are serious consequences, people tend to think twice. If they don't, there are consequences to remind them. I think somewhere in the middle is the correct stance. Quote
CdnFox Posted October 24, 2023 Report Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Never mind the fact they've been at war ever since they settled in Palestine. Fair point i guess Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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