Spike in the numbers of Covid cases in hospitals and deaths

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1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Why don't you watch the debate

I have better things to do.

[OftenWrong]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

Well, I don't believe in evolution.   I accept the account in Genesis.  You have your mind made up not to consider anything but the false theory of evolution.  Your choice.

False? Even the Catholic church accepts evolution. The progressive Pope Francis said so a while ago.

Pope Francis says evolution is real

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

False? Even the Catholic church accepts evolution. The progressive Pope Francis said so a while ago.

Pope Francis says evolution is real

Yes, I think I heard that. It bears no resemblance to Biblical Christianity.  Whatever appeals to the mass of people.  Bible believers don't follow what the Pope does.  It is not a true church.  It is a man-made belief system.

[OftenWrong]

26 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Yes, I think I heard that. It bears no resemblance to Biblical Christianity.  Whatever appeals to the mass of people.  Bible believers don't follow what the Pope does.  It is not a true church.  It is a man-made belief system.

Whatever it is, the Catholic church has brought many benefits to humanity including the framework for our legal system and laws today. I would not expect the Spanish Inquisition.

[blackbird]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Whatever it is, the Catholic church has brought many benefits to humanity including the framework for our legal system and laws today. I would not expect the Spanish Inquisition.

The Spanish Inquisition was under the authority of and ordered by Rome.  It was part of the larger Holy Roman Inquisition in Europe.

I would say the many benefits to humanity came in spite of the false system of Rome.  It took the Reformation 500 years ago to reject the tyranny of Rome and bring in individual freedoms and rights.  Romanist followers fought wars for 100 years in Europe to try to stop and reverse the Reformation through the 1500s and 1600s.  Tens of thousands of protesters were murdered in France and Ireland in the St. Bartholemew's Day massacre and Ireland massacre.  Countries which rejected the totalitarianism of Rome were Britain (England and Scotland), the Netherlands, Germany, and Scandinavian countries,  Rome tried to keep the world in darkness under their totalitarian system and did manage to maintain control in central and south America (later), Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, France, and other places in the 1600s.  

It was the beliefs of Bible believers and Judeo-Christian culture which rejected the Papacy and brought democracy and human rights and individual freedom to the western world.  Rome fought against that all along the way.  You just have to read some of the historical books on the Holy Roman Inquisition which lasted about 500 years to learn how they think.  You either bowed the knee to Rome and its system or you were toast.  That included trial, sanctions, imprisonment, torture, and execution. The only reason democracy and freedom exist in western countries now is because they are not in strong majorities and enough people rejected their system.  If Rome had its way, there would be no democracy and freedoms. 

Britain is an example.  The British rejected Romanist control in the 1500s under the leadership of strong protestants, Henry VIII and subsequent monarchs.  Many opponents of Rome were burned at the stake.  Bloody Mary was in power for an interval and tried to stop the Reformation in Britain. She executed over a thousand protestants but she was stopped by subsequent events and monarchs.  Ever since that time, Britain brought in democracy, the Parliamentary system, abolished slavery in the British Empire, and brought in human rights.  That is where our laws and system came from.  The freedoms, laws, and legal system we have did not come free from the Roman system.  It took wars for 100 years, millions of lives lost, and great suffering to break free from the tyranny that existed for 1,000 years called the Dark Ages.

Edited October 12, 2023 by blackbird

[Aristides]

All belief systems are man made. Some are based on science, others on faith.