Hundreds of trans teens under 18 have had breasts removed in Canada, new data show

[Nexii]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Not according to the left - apperenty you could be misgendering them the day you brought them home.  You shouldn't have a say in that. you're just a parent.  (supposedly).

If your kids are toddlers or younger, you may not have realized this yet - but no matter how well you parent kids are still going to hide things from you, be concerned about bringing some things to you and if they have got mental health issues as they move towards theit teens the parents are often the last ones they'll tell, and it's not because they fear being beaten.

IT IS A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.  Period. You yourself made that claim. YOU claim they're at higher risk of suicide.

It may be true that encouraging the kid to actually alter their body is even WORSE - but you're already way over the line at 'hiding mental health issues'.

Imagine this - you claim to be a parent, it's 10 years from now and you come home and your child has hung themselves. They're dead.  You're asking around trying to figure out what happened, how did he get so depressed and why didn't you know? You talk to his friends, and they admit the child was struggling with gender issues and wanted to be called by the opposite sex in school, but the teacher told the class to make sure to never tell the parents. The school knew the kid was struggling with it for a year.

You don't undersatnd how this could happen - you'd always told the kid that you'd love them no matter what and they can always talk to you,

You get to spend the rest of your life wondering if you had known they were going through that if you could have done something to make a difference.

But a teacher took that chance away from you.

Is that fair? Was that right?  That's what you're advocating for,

Now you get to spend the rest of your life

Maybe the child read their parents' posts on a certain political forum through the browser history. You'll never know how far they might go trying to predict the outcome without directly asking

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Maybe the child read their parents' posts on a certain political forum through the browser history. You'll never know how far they might go trying to predict the outcome without directly asking

Sure, that's far more likely than the fact that all kids hide  things from their parents.

or are you saying they'll read about how their parents feel it's better if they don't know anything and to only tell teachers so that's what they do?

Seriously - you do these chlidren NO favour by being dishonest or dismissive.

And your belief that teachers are far more qualified to help children deal with issues than their own parents is all the reason parents need to have laws protecting their rights.

I get it. You don't have kids and never will. So for you understanding this from a parent's perspective must be difficult. But - like i said before, you want to see a backlash the likes of which you can't believe?  Go after parent's children.

Edited October 4, 2023 by CdnFox

[blackbird]

It is reasonable to believe the higher numbers of suicide among LGBTQ/trans youth is the breakdown of the family structure and the drift of society away from God and the Bible. Society is becoming more heathen if I may put it that way and there is a common belief that anything goes.  By that I mean the liberal ideology is that everyone should be free to do their own thing regardless of what it is, if it does not directly affect other people. 

A rejection of God and his word is a rejection of a stable, sane, law-abiding society and the end of a normal family structure.

 

Edited October 4, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

22 hours ago, Boges said:

I think any parent should look in their own mirror if they create an environment where a child feels they can't confide in them and is more comfortable talking to a teacher. 

The simple fact is the parents love their children and have a responsibility to raise them.  They have a right to know what is going on no matter what it is.  We know LGBTQ/trans issues are not a normal and any normal parent would not be too happy to find out their child is into that.  But, and this is important, the parents have a right to know what is going on.  They are the primary caregivers. 

The reason the government does not want parents to know is because they know what is going on is WRONG and they know parents will not be happy.  The bottom line is the government should not be enabling this behavior and grooming kids in school to think this is normal.  What the government is doing is outrageous and borders on the criminal and child abuse.  SOGI123 is basically evil ideology being put into young minds.

[eyeball]

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

IT IS A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.  Period. You yourself made that claim. YOU claim they're at higher risk of suicide.

They're only at higher risk of suicide because the freaked out negative reaction of people around them leaves them feeling even more isolated and alone.

You're making it sound like they were suicidal before they were feeling dysphoric.

 

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I am not.  That's Chud logic. 

When students - plural of student because a reasonable assumption is that this would happen more than once - ask a teacher for advise, or to keep their thoughts secret then they want the teacher to do so.

I also don't accept your generalizations that it's "school policy" or provincial law without a cite.  I don't trust you to understand/report the facts properly.  Informing parents doesn't seem like a bad idea to me in general, but i would involve a counsellor.

And for the record, provincial politicians are taking advantage of ignorance and they - and many parents - are using irresponsible language and are being dishonest in discussions on this.  If they care as much as they say they do then they will be responsible in discussing the issue.

It would seem your logic is not working here.

So you implying what the majority of students that have talked to teachers are now asking them to keep their secrets...and becasue it has happened more than once we should restrict ALL parents from knowing what is happening with their Childs mental health issues...is that right.

Michael if it was not school policy or law in the first place , why would it require new policy or laws to change it...if this was happening all along this would not be an issue...And i have provided sites on this very topic in the past, i trust you did not read them, and to be honest Michael, I'm also starting to question your reasoning here as well, and while I'm sure your not going to loss any sleep over it. Like i have said before this issue is not the same in every province, here in NB is much different than ONT... this is got nothing with taking anything away from the LGBTQ community it is to include the parents in their Childs mental health issues..

If it would make the initial conversation go better why not, I'm sure the parents would agree, atleast they are getting involved in their Childs mental health issue...so the parents can provide additional resources that the school does not have access to.... 

besides you have gone to school before, how long do you think the school rumor network is going to take for this news to spread like wild fire...and the parents finding out from some other parent or school kid...becasue I'm sure that is not how parents want to learn about there child...This keeping the secret from the parents is a very limited thing at best, one or two days...Do you think all this fuss over this issue was worth 1 or 2 days reprieve from the parents finding out...and will it help the conversation when it does happen...

Sure lets talk about the language again...like this is a life and death situation...people are going to die...lots of drama words going on...I have said before don't get in the middle of parents and their kids, it will turn ugly very quickly as we have seen, and yes both sides have said shit that they should not have...the LGBTQ community, school board should not be involved with parenting any child...we are a country that is diverse to the extreme, and we have dozens of different opinions on every topic, each one of them should be atleast considered, before being tossed out as extreme views...or as you like to say chuds... and thats not happening here in this case, "both" sides are refusing to here the other.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It is reasonable to believe the higher numbers of suicide among LGBTQ/trans youth is the breakdown of the family structure and the drift of society away from God and the Bible. Society is becoming more heathen if I may put it that way and there is a common belief that anything goes.  By that I mean the liberal ideology is that everyone should be free to do their own thing regardless of what it is, if it does not directly affect other people. 

A rejection of God and his word is a rejection of a stable, sane, law-abiding society and the end of a normal family structure.

 

There isn't actually a noticeably higher number of suicides per se that anyone's detected.  The kids report they are more likely to have suicidal thougths or attempt suicide, but so far nothing's pointed to higher numbers of actual suicides. However - it might be hard to track that so it may be that in the future information may become available

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Can the true conservatives and liberals on here please stop tolerating Chud logic in these discussions ?  Thank you.

You have found a new word or invented one, "CHUD" that you think adds something or sheds new insight?  Won't be of much value though because nobody knows what it means.

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You have found a new word or invented one, "CHUD" that you think adds something or sheds new insight?  Won't be of much value though because nobody knows what it means.

It means deplorable.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

They're only at higher risk of suicide because the freaked out negative reaction of people around them leaves them feeling even more isolated and alone.

 

 

That's not what the data says. Even in supporting families and communities it's an issue. Having support makes it easier but isn't the sole problem.
It's a 'dysphoria'.  As one doctor said "of course there's a pathology because otherwise there would be no need to treat it".

And it's certainly no solution to have the kid hide the truth form their parents and live a lie rather than working it out.

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You're making it sound like they were suicidal before they were feeling dysphoric.

No, i'm not. the opposite is what i'm saying. The dysphoria literally manafests as depression, isolation etc. That's what will make them depressed etc.

So at the first sign that this might be an issue the parents should be alerted so that they can start addressing that with medical professionals.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

It means deplorable.

And what THAT means is "any person who presents any argument we don't like or agree with must be dehumanized and silenced because intolerance is preferable to  discussion".

It's the way of the left these days.