The election prospects

myata · August 19, 2023

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Well that clears it up nicely, thanks

Any time. And now, something to go to the elections" with, proudly.

Edited August 19, 2023 by myata

myata · August 19, 2023

So again, on the election prospects in the greatest democratic system

- you rule like some king of old, no checks, accountability, balances or controls but with a circus period (this was important for some reason but we forgot). Till you screw up as many time as you like or can obviously, because see above.

- some folks, 10-20% get p*ssed off with you eventually and swing. So the other guy, your twin buddy gets a "landslide" majority.

- he rules like some king of old till...

From landslide to landslide (or screw up to screw up, more or less same thing see above).

Wanna play, again?

Queenmandy85 · August 20, 2023

I will add that Mr. Poilievre seems like a nice guy and reasonably intelligent. If I were judging a good politician, off the top of my head, Premier Ford comes to mind, but for a good Prime Minister, Michael Chong would be my choice.

(previous rant deleted. Not constructive.)

Edited August 20, 2023 by Queenmandy85

eyeball · August 20, 2023

On 8/17/2023 at 6:24 AM, Michael Hardner said:

We adopted our system and changing it may be the most difficult thing. PR in some form is on the table, but if we're having the conversation, let's talk about more than seat allocation.

Does that sound lost?

I'd like to talk about greater local autonomy over things like fisheries and oceans. DFO is headquartered 1500 miles from the nearest ocean almost 3500 from the farthest and it really shows.

myata · August 20, 2023

Restricting the choice to the barest minimum; funny counting; dissatisfaction and disappointment with the performance of unaccountable and irresponsible governments gives an illusion, an empty facade of strong support and confident governance. Little else; or nothing.

Someone figured out a while back that yes, you can do that rather than competing fairly and earning the mandate to govern in a fair competition against worthy opponents every time. This is like lightyears different.. another political and social universe.

Those funny "parties" feel proud getting 35% of the vote giving them unconditional and unrestricted powers to govern, a "landslide". But wait, we have only 2+ parties, so the average share of vote would be 100 / 3 comes to same thing, a bit less (screw up) or more (your twin buddy screwed up hurray, "landslide" and you didn't even have to do anything). How would they perform in a fair competition with ten or more parties that are actually focused on citizens interests, with a fair, objective vote counting? Would they get even ten percent? Get past the threshold? No you can't tell: it a big unknown they wouldn't let anyone to know. Nothing is real here. Mirages, shadows and facades.

Yes this is the main reason why any meaningful change is so difficult to come by here.

Yes, it's that stupid and not much else. Wanna play?

Edited August 20, 2023 by myata

CdnFox · August 21, 2023

22 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'd like to talk about greater local autonomy over things like fisheries and oceans. DFO is headquartered 1500 miles from the nearest ocean almost 3500 from the farthest and it really shows.

Rare that we agree but in this case 100 percent.

The best way to help prevent abuses and maintain accountability is generally to move gov't closer to the people. Provincial authority should be bolstered and respected, not absorbed and ignored by the feds.

myata · August 21, 2023

Stick a bandaid on an old rusty and throttling thingy and hope it'll run as new again (fixing it or get a new one? No no not possible). We can always hope, right? Let's try... again!

Edited August 21, 2023 by myata

ExFlyer · August 21, 2023

On 8/18/2023 at 10:35 PM, Army Guy said:

One could take your entire augment and change PP to Justin, In the last 8 years Justin has done nothing but broke things, he has done NOTHING to lower emissions, His economical policies have done nothing but create high inflation, his massive debt load is lowered the value of our dollar, added fuel to inflation, pumped out billions to they don't know they were not tracking....Justin promised to fix vet affairs, instead they are still taking the feds to court to get basic care...WE already know what Justin is going to give us we have had 8 years of it....

Look around you we have two parties worth any vote, Liberals and conservatives.... NDP are a joke...and the greens well might as well vote for my hamster....if i could afford the fees to have him registered....Since we already know what your getting with Justin. there is not much of a choice to make... PP platform is out there for anyone to see, take a look and tell me whats so scary.

If you can't see the difference now, between Justin and PP, i mean come on man your smarter than that...PP has for the most part a clean slate... Justin slate is a mile high pile of shi*.... Can we afford another 4 years of Justin... you tell me... can we afford 4 years of PP, well it could not get any worse can it ...

A bit contradictory?

If, as you say, "One could take your entire augment and change PP to Justin," then "If you can't see the difference now, between Justin and PP," is meaningless because, as you said in the beginning, the arguments (of PP and Justin ) are the same.

ExFlyer · August 21, 2023

On 8/19/2023 at 10:04 PM, eyeball said:

I'd like to talk about greater local autonomy over things like fisheries and oceans. DFO is headquartered 1500 miles from the nearest ocean almost 3500 from the farthest and it really shows.

Wasn't local autonomy the reason for the depletion of the cod stock?? And the closure of many local salmon hatcheries on the West Coast?

Central control is not the enemy and the country is 4700 miles from coast to coast.

myata · August 21, 2023

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

"If you can't see the difference now, between Justin and PP," is meaningless because, as you said in the beginning, the arguments (of PP and Justin ) are the same.

What would it take to understand that the whole notion of running a country without any real accountability, like kings of old, in this age is sheer unbelievable nonsense? The sticker, label, band aid doesn't matter.. who wants to wake up?

Edited August 21, 2023 by myata

ExFlyer · August 21, 2023

4 minutes ago, myata said:

What would it take to understand that the whole notion of running a country without any real accountability, like kings of old, in this age is sheer unbelievable nonsense? The sticker, label, band aid doesn't matter.. who wants to wake up?

Huh? Again, do read your posts before you hit submit? LOL

myata · August 21, 2023

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Huh?

Oh right, I understand the problem here... it's counting above two sure. Yes, makes sense. Smart three year olds can do it, most at five year. So a democracy for two-year olds, politically how would it look like? Just leave it to the adults dear, here the sucker.

ExFlyer · August 21, 2023

36 minutes ago, myata said:

Oh right, I understand the problem here... it's counting above two sure. Yes, makes sense. Smart three year olds can do it, most at five year. So a democracy for two-year olds, politically how would it look like? Just leave it to the adults dear, here the sucker.

Oh gawd....scramble brains is at it again LOL

myata · August 21, 2023

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh gawd....scramble brains is at it again

Oh horror horror 2 + 2 no such a can of worms and GG wouldn't approve

ExFlyer · August 21, 2023

9 minutes ago, myata said:

Oh horror horror 2 + 2 no such a can of worms and GG wouldn't approve

More and more deliberately obtuse in every post.

Such a sad human sapien you have become.

myata · August 21, 2023

45 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Such a sad human sapien you have become

You must know a thing or two about sadness. All of the democratic world has learned to count past two long ago and for you it's still an impossible feat. Good luck!

ExFlyer · August 21, 2023

34 minutes ago, myata said:

You must know a thing or two about sadness. All of the democratic world has learned to count past two long ago and for you it's still an impossible feat. Good luck!

Nope, I am a happy articulate person... something you are unable to demonstrate LOL

myata · August 21, 2023

27 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, I am a happy articulate person

Sure except... how would you know that? By seeing things in that mirror, the greatest ever, top of the world, made perfectly right from the cradle no need to grow up, learn or do anything? Good luck!

ExFlyer · August 21, 2023

20 minutes ago, myata said:

Sure except... how would you know that? By seeing things in that mirror, the greatest ever, top of the world, made perfectly right from the cradle no need to grow up, learn or do anything? Good luck!

Simply by the fact others can read and understand my posts whereas yours are constantly questioned LOL

You cannot even insult properly LOL

myata · August 21, 2023

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Simply by the fact others can read

But that's in you mirror too.. the same funny one where 2+1 is an impossible can of worms never to be touched with a 100-miles stick. So what do you know, really?

CdnFox · August 21, 2023

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Simply by the fact others can read and understand my posts

Because we can! (what?)

Army Guy · August 22, 2023

On 8/19/2023 at 10:52 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

I will add that Mr. Poilievre seems like a nice guy and reasonably intelligent. If I were judging a good politician, off the top of my head, Premier Ford comes to mind, but for a good Prime Minister, Michael Chong would be my choice.

(previous rant deleted. Not constructive.)

Fair enough, i like him to, and many others, other than PP... but they are not going to be on the next elections ballet...PP is the man on the ballet...along with Justin, and many non electable PM candidates....It kind of narrows the choices...down to two really more Justin... or PP...

What baffles the shit out of me, is why anyone would want 4 more years of Justin, after he has proven to be a very very lack luster leader not only in handling our issues, but on the global stage he is laughable...so much so he is embarrassing...we could talk all day about his gaffs... PP may not be the perfect candidate, but for conservatives he is the one we have...and if he screws it up vote him out something we should have done with Justin 4 years ago...

ExFlyer · August 22, 2023

38 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Fair enough, i like him to, and many others, other than PP... but they are not going to be on the next elections ballet...PP is the man on the ballet...along with Justin, and many non electable PM candidates....It kind of narrows the choices...down to two really more Justin... or PP...

What baffles the shit out of me, is why anyone would want 4 more years of Justin, after he has proven to be a very very lack luster leader not only in handling our issues, but on the global stage he is laughable...so much so he is embarrassing...we could talk all day about his gaffs... PP may not be the perfect candidate, but for conservatives he is the one we have...and if he screws it up vote him out something we should have done with Justin 4 years ago...

I don't think anyone wants 4 more years of Justin but, how badly do they want 4 years of PP?

PP's pubilc image shaping machine has a lot of work to and the conservative party leadership have a lot of leadership molding to do.

And then they have to come up with workable, believable policies and solutions.

ExFlyer · August 22, 2023

1 hour ago, myata said:

But that's in you mirror too.. the same funny one where 2+1 is an impossible can of worms never to be touched with a 100-miles stick. So what do you know, really?

Huh?

Hint: Read and re-read before you hit submit then maybe you would not post such idiocy. LOL

myata · August 22, 2023

44 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Huh?

It's just a fact of this life, yes a smart three-year old won't choose between a sucky porridge and a smelly soup. They could say no, don't want either. An average five year old will do just that, for sure. And you're stuck picking between less sucky of the only two options that someone gives you, for perpetuity and no change allowed. Again for the lesser of the two oh suck but have to what can one do. So how smart does that make you, for the grown up folk? See it's only the objective reality of it nothing personal. Just maybe not that you see in that funny mirror.