Federal government releases new draft regulations on clean electricity, The regulations would drive up the cost of energy "slightly"

[Zeitgeist]

16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I can't say I am not maintaining my high living standards and American dream here in Ontario

but only because we don't have children

everybody I know who has two kids, is basically screwed

working two jobs and/or six to seven days a week

these Millenials can't afford homes

so they are at the mercy of landlords

and renting a semidetached is pushing $3000 a month

which is like twice a mortgage payment, even at 5% interest

Well I’m definitely worried about my kids’ prospects in Canada.  I have a British passport, but Britain also has a high cost of living.  If my kids play their cards right, they may have the options and income potential to overcome our outrageous cost of living or have the ability to move to the US.  For half my kids that is unlikely.  Our government really sells out Canadians to curry favour internationally. It’s so obvious now how out of touch the Liberals are, but Canadians are quite brainwashed and fearful of alternatives to the Liberals and NDP.  I don’t expect much to change in Canada, much as hope springs eternal.

Edited August 13, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Economics aren't a perfect science.

 

So?  You think the BoC doesn't know that?  Let me put it this way - if you are honestly stating that the BoC did not know that when they made the statement 'there will be no interest increase" then you can hardly blame regular people for not knowing they were incompetent.

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

He didn't "promise" anything, nor did he "apologize" after the fact.

He did and i've potsed him doing exactly that.  Remember what I've desperately tried to teach you - if you have to lie to make a point, it's not a very good point.  I've posted him making that promise, i've posted him appologiing and also acknowledging they made mistakes.

This isn't even a topic for discussion - that's what he did, it's black and white

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Your middleschool view of central banking guidance is cute, but dumb. 

Oh dear.  We're getting to the point where you're about to have your hissy fit because you're wrong and you can't cope with it.

There's no Middleschool interpretation of it -  the BoC sets the rate.  They set it if you're in elementary school, they set it in middle school, and if you ever go to university -  it'll still be the BoC that sets the rate.

But please - educate my ass and explain to me who DOES set the interest rates if not the BoC?

SO when the BoC says there will be NO INTEREST RATE INCREASE ... not 'maybe there won't" or "it's not looking that way" but rather WILL NOT BE...   Then it's normal for people to rely on their promise.

 I know - i get it. You want the financial disaster we're seeing and the suffering of hundreds of thosuands of Canadians to be Someone Else's Fault.  Anyone but trudeau and your beloved libs.

 

Sorry - it's the libs fault, not the people who believed their lies or the lies of teh BoC.

Oh - and i'm sure that it's complete coincidence that the BoC insisted interest rates wouldn't go up JUST BEFORE an electtion - then raised them shortly after.  Completely unrelated of course.

 

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Actually, I believe disaster already has struck.  Almost everybody else is still in frog mode meaning it hasn't registered yet.

Well if what we're seeing now is the "disaster" then it's pretty tame and we were worried for nothing.

[Moonbox]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Remember what I've desperately tried to teach you - if you have to lie to make a point, it's not a very good point.  I've posted him making that promise, i've posted him appologiing and also acknowledging they made mistakes.

Your desperation is obvious, but all you've posted is his explanation of what he and the BoC got wrong, and you certainly can't provide any quotes saying he should have known better, as you ridiculously claimed.   

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But please - educate my ass and explain to me who DOES set the interest rates if not the BoC?

Nobody said they don't set interest rates.  They just don't control global economics.  They can't stop global commodity prices from spiking.  They can't stop the USA from raising their interest rates.  They can't stop China from closing down its economy etc.  All of these things and more cause prices to rise, and they have to adjust accordingly.  

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Oh dear.  We're getting to the point where you're about to have your hissy fit because you're wrong and you can't cope with it.

Stop...please.  I just can't...? 

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

our desperation is obvious, but all you've posted is his explanation of what he and the BoC got wrong,

He literally appologized and specifically said he made mistakes.  the desperation is yours kiddo ?

48 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Nobody said they don't set interest rates. 

You did.     When i mentioned it you claimed that i was wrong due to my "middle school understanding" of economics. 

Nice to see you've given up on that lie.

So the guy who's in charge of raising interest rates  says "THERE WILL BE NO RAISE" - not 'unless the us does' and not "unless i feel like it" -  just "NO RAISE". 

This isn't going to get any less true. You can't twist, like, delude, gaslight, sealion,wish your way out of it.

People who trusted the liberals and the BoC and are suffering today as a result are victims.  But of course with the liberals, we're all victims at this point.

[Legato]

What's interesting is the interest rate of the Liberals' is falling due to high interest rates.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Legato said:

What's interesting is the interest rate of the Liberals' is falling due to high interest rates.

That is terrible    You're going to pun hell for that.   

[Moonbox]

59 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He literally appologized and specifically said he made mistakes.  the desperation is yours kiddo ?

If he literally did, then you could literally quote him apologizing, rather than just explaining what he got wrong.  Worse, however, is your ridiculous claim that the said he should have known better, which is literally a lie.  

59 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You did.  When i mentioned it you claimed that i was wrong due to my "middle school understanding" of economics. 

Nice to see you've given up on that lie.

I claimed that you have a middle-school understanding of economics, and I was being generous.  Any meaning beyond that is made up, so here you are again, arguing with yourself.  ?

59 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So the guy who's in charge of raising interest rates  says "THERE WILL BE NO RAISE" - not 'unless the us does' and not "unless i feel like it" -  just "NO RAISE". 

It doesn't matter.  The BoC's mandate is to manage inflation, not the butthurt of angry dweebs.  No doubt some people made decisions based on central banking guidance, but unless they're buffoons they did so knowing there were no guarantees.  It's unfortunate, but not unfair.    

I remember debating with you some months ago about how you figured Stephen Harper never lied to Canadians.  As an example of him doing so, I brought up the Income Trusts.  Before he was elected PM, he claimed he'd not mess with Income Trusts.  Shortly after being elected, he gutted them.  According to you, that wasn't a lie.  If we apply your logic to this argument, good 'ol Tiff is off the hook, but even more so because at least he made his claims with no knowledge of what 2022's economy would bring.  Harper and his team had full access to all the info needed to assess Income Trusts. 

Once again, your clueless partisanship and hypocrisy is on full display.  ?

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

If he literally did, then you could literally quote him apologizing,

I literally did. Go read the article.

So you're back to sealioning are you? Just demand i repost the same stuff again and again.

 

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remember debating with you some months ago about how you figured Stephen Harper never lied to Canadians.  As an example of him doing so, I brought up the Income Trusts.  Before he was elected PM, he claimed he'd not mess with Income Trusts.  Shortly after being elected, he gutted them.  According to you, that wasn't a lie.  If we apply your logic to this argument, good 'ol Tiff is off the hook

 

Oh my god - what elementary school grade are you in that i need to explain this?

Harper did not lie.  Tiff didn't lie as far as we know.  Harper made a serious error that hurt people and  he apologized.  Tiff made a serious error that hurt people and apologized (to the liberals if not the people)

There's no contradiction here - except that when harper made a mistake you acknowledged it 100 percent while when the BoC does under the liberal watch you pretend it doesn't exist.

If we use your logic Harper never promised anything!!!  He simply gave a forecast and then the americans forced him to do something else.

You do thsi EVERY TIME - the moment you make a mistake in  a discussion you  triple down on it and defend it like a 5 year old insisting there really IS a santa clause!!

FFS -  the liberals effed up badly - the BoC effed up badly - and people are VICTIMS of their mistakes!! It's that simple!  This is NOT complex! Could you PLEASE pretend you graduated grade 3 at some point and get your head around this?

Edited August 14, 2023 by CdnFox

[impartialobserver]

When it comes to energy costs and green energy (no matter how you define that vague term), there is so much misinformation. Most of it comes from the lack of knowledge of the process/finer details. Most just skip to the end and compare the end number. 

Edited August 14, 2023 by impartialobserver

[Moonbox]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I literally did. Go read the article.

Yep.  It's not there!  

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you're back to sealioning are you? Just demand i repost the same stuff again and again.

Nope, because what you're linking isn't what you're saying it is.  ?

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Harper did not lie.  Tiff didn't lie as far as we know.  Harper made a serious error that hurt people and  he apologized.  Tiff made a serious error that hurt people and apologized (to the liberals if not the people).

Then why are you complaining about what Tiff did or didn't promise?  ?

If he promised, as you claim, and didn't keep that promise, then he lied, which would be the same with Harper. 

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Yep.  It's not there!  

Nope, because what you're linking isn't what you're saying it is.  ?

Well i'll add 'illiteracy' to your other personality defects Amazing how text that is unfavorable to the liberal position magically vanishes when liberals read it.  LOLOL!!!

32 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Then why are you complaining about what Tiff did or didn't promise?  ?

Are you really so stupid you forgot that we're discussing this because of YOUR statement?

I'm not complaining about anything.  YOU were the one who crybabied that it was all the fault of the people who borrowed money believing that rates wouldn't go up.

All I did was point out that Tiff SAID DEFINITIVELY they wouldn't go up and people can't be blamed for believing the BoC, which sets the rates, when they said that.

We then spent the rest of our time with you denying that ever happened, pretending they don't set the rates, demanding that information previously posted be posted again, and somehow trying to blame it all on harper. 

 

when you actually use your brain it's not the worst one out there, but when you get defensive about left wing stuff  your braincells all decide to take a safety-break  at the same time.

Tiff screwed up, the libs created far more inflation than was necessary which meant inflation was NOT transitory and people who trusted them got badly hurt, and they are Victims. It's the simple truth.

Edited August 14, 2023 by CdnFox

[Moonbox]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well i'll add 'illiteracy' to your other personality defects Amazing how text that is unfavorable to the liberal position magically vanishes when liberals read it.  LOLOL!!!

LOLOL indeed!  No vanishing is required when you make it up and/or pretend something it's not!  Your compulsion for bullshitting is once again on display.  

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm not complaining about anything.  YOU were the one who crybabied that it was all the fault of the people who borrowed money believing that rates wouldn't go up.

I rejected your characterization of borrowers and speculators as "victims", but I'm the one "crybabying"!  ?

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

All I did was point out that Tiff SAID they wouldn't go up and people can't be blamed for believing the BoC, which sets the rates, when they said that.

We then spent the rest of our time with you denying that ever happened, pretending they don't set the rates, demanding that information previously posted be posted again, and somehow trying to blame it all on harper. 

Oof.  I never did anything of the sort.  

That bolded part?  Absolutely, totally and utterly made-up nonsense.  

1.  I never denied what was said, but rather your dimwitted interpretation of it (ie the promises that you were never made). 

2. I definitely never said the BoC doesn't set interest rates.  You're making up arguments to debate against....again!

3.  Where did I blame inflation on Harper?  

Once again, you're arguing with yourself.  ??

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

LOLOL indeed!  No vanishing is required when you make it up and/or pretend something it's not!  Your compulsion for bullshitting is once again on display.  

I rejected your characterization of borrowers and speculators as "victims", but I'm the one "crybabying"!  ?

Oof.  I never did anything of the sort.  

That bolded part?  Absolutely, totally and utterly made-up nonsense.  

1.  I never denied what was said, but rather your dimwitted interpretation of it (ie the promises that you were never made). 

2. I definitely never said the BoC doesn't set interest rates.  You're making up arguments to debate against....again!

3.  Where did I blame inflation on Harper?  

Once again, you're arguing with yourself.  ??

Still desperately trying to deny the obvious truths are you

The left wing ability to delude themselves when reality doesn't suit them is legendary

Tiff had to admit to the house he made mistakes and screwed up.  Yes you're the crybaby. You did all those things, the bolded part is a somewhat tonnge in cheek roundup of your stupidity but still surprisingly more accurate than not, you ABSOLUTELY freaked out about my 'middleschool economics when i said they set the rates and you had to be corrected, and i'm not arguing with anyone - i'm pointing out the simple truths you deny over and over.

 

Once again - Tiff and Justin screwed up big time, and people who believed them are suffering badly as a result and that would make them the victims.  It's very simple.  Lying about it repetitively and blaming harper etc etc is not going to change that.

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

The left wing ability to delude themselves when reality doesn't suit them is legendary

Your compulsion for making things up and cluelessly blustering, more so.  

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Tiff had to admit to the house he made mistakes and screwed up.

He admitted his predictions were wrong, and he explained why.  That's it, and nobody here denied that.  ?

What he didn't do, as you kept claiming, was say that he should have known better, or that he'd promised/guaranteed anything.  

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yes you're the crybaby. You did all those things, the bolded part is a somewhat tonnge in cheek roundup of your stupidity but still surprisingly more accurate than not, you ABSOLUTELY freaked out about my 'middleschool economics when i said they set the rates and you had to be corrected, and i'm not arguing with anyone - i'm pointing out the simple truths you deny over and over.

The unfortunate thing for you is that I did not do any of the things you said I did, tongue in cheek or not.  We can make it easy on you and just ask you to show just one of them.  Show me where I blamed inflation on Harper.  He was only mentioned two posts ago, so it should be pretty easy.  

Oops, you can't.  Your pants are on fire. 

Tell me more about how I'm absolutely freaking out though...that's always good entertainment.  ?

Edited August 14, 2023 by Moonbox

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Your compulsion for making things up and cluelessly blustering, more so. 

Your compulsion to lie and throw tantrums beats all   

Sorry kid - i know it upsets you but the truth is the truth

You do do the things i said you do.

Tiff did tell people there would be no rate hikes.

Those people who trusted that and borrowed are victims.

None of this is harper's fault.

And you cannot lie fast enough to change any of that

But it has been amusing watching you melt down yet again over left wing ideology eff ups  

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Your compulsion to lie and throw tantrums beats all   

Your bizarre insistence on inventing and projecting temper tantrums and emotionality on others merely shows what's going on in your angry little head. 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

None of this is harper's fault.

Nobody said it was?   

Once again, you're making stuff up to argue with yourself.  ?

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Your bizarre insistence on inventing and projecting temper tantrums and emotionality on others merely shows what's going on in your angry little head. 

I assume you're talking to your mirror again    For me it's just observation. You become irrational, angry, and repeat lies that have clearly been disproven and eventually just fall into abuse.  If you REALLY get triggered you meme.

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Nobody said it was?   

Sure - you claimed it can't be tiff's fault because harper.  He's off the hook you said!!

Are you now claiming you didn't bring up harper?  It's quoted above - kinda hard to deny it now   LOLOL

Kid, you're a joke and anyone who felt they needed a laugh and followed this knows it.  In the future when you're wrong about something just move on and stop having hissy fits that just make you look more re-tarded.

[Moonbox]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Kid, you're a joke and anyone who felt they needed a laugh and followed this knows it.  In the future when you're wrong about something just move on and stop having hissy fits that just make you look more re-tarded.

The genius quote that keeps on delivering:

??

Here's what's actually funny though:

Nobody is reading these back-and-forth exchanges except for you and me.  Your clueless natter and your bizarre performances aren't being observed.  

Endlessly trying to insist to people you're debating against that they're having hissy fits is a weird.  They're just in your head, and it's a mystery who you think you're convincing.  My guess?  You're just trying to convince yourself.  ?

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The genius quote that keeps on delivering:

???

Ahhh your go - to when you've got nothing else

As usual - i'm not telling you you're wrong. It's obivous you already know.  I'm telling you that on those occasions when you're wrong you shouldn't have a hissy fit and freak out    LOLOL

But it's always fun to see you mentally broken like this
 

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Here's what's actually funny though:

Nobody is reading these back-and-forth exchanges except for you and me. 

 

Did somebody say they were?  Ohhh  - this is you 'arguing with yourself' like you accuse others of! Got it  

 

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Your clueless natter and your bizarre performances aren't being observed.  

Except by you. So .. you're claiming that this is all just pointless nattering  that nobody cares about but you.  You're literally the stupidest person on the board in your opinion  LOLOL - well there you go  

 

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Endlessly trying to insist to people you're debating against that they're having hissy fits is a weird. 

Dude you have these little mental break downs whenever you're wrong and it's painfully obvious Pointing them out sin't weird - HAVING them is weird.

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They're just in your head, and it's a mystery who you think you're convincing.  My guess?  You're just trying to convince yourself.  

More that i'm just pointing and laughing at you   

Kid you are beyond emotionally damaged    And your little hissy fits are always entertaining to watch if nothing else.

At the end of the day - the truth is still the same.

The BoC and Trudeau f*cked up pretty bad.

People who trusted what they promised suffered and are victims. Your attempts to cover this fact by blaming the victim is a little sad.

None of this is Harper's fault.

You freak out and have hissy fits every time someone correctly points out you're wrong even to the point where you deny black and white evidence to that effect and devolve into this amusing little creature that simply runs around yelling about your precious and how you hates bagginses forever!!!

Have you tried NOT being wrong? LOLOL!!!!  

[Nationalist]

On 8/13/2023 at 1:31 PM, bcsapper said:

If decaying corpses are not an issue, then neither will be the reduction in the population.  So much for the anarchy solution.

Although there is no telling what I might be driven to if I can't get my coffee.

Just a thought...but if all this Libbie Greenie crap were to lead to real anarchy, I would implore all you Libbies to hide.

For your own safety.

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Just a thought...but if all this Libbie Greenie crap were to lead to real anarchy, I would implore all you Libbies to hide.

For your own safety.

You had a thought?  Will wonders never cease?

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

You had a thought?  Will wonders never cease?

I had several thoughts actually. Some postable...some not so much.

The Greenie Libbies think its OK to watch people live on macaroni and cheese so they can kill the fossil fuel industry.

That's a lot of very hungry and angry people. People who have to tell their kids that they just can't afford fruit, or a nice holiday. That tears the heart out of these people. With no heart left...I wonder how they'd react to anarchy?

Any thoughts on the matter? Or do you simply not care?

Edited August 15, 2023 by Nationalist

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I had several thoughts actually. Some postable...some not so much.

The Greenie Libbies think its OK to watch people live on macaroni and cheese so they can kill the fossil fuel industry.

That's a lot of very hungry and angry people. People who have to tell their kids that they just can't afford fruit, or a nice holiday. That tears the heart out of these people. With no heart left...I wonder how they'd react to anarchy?

Any thoughts on the matter? Or do you simply not care?

I don't care. 

 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

I don't care. 

 

I didn't think you did and thanks ever so much for, once again, showing your true colours.

Conservatives...These Libbie Greenies don't give a rat's ass about the common folk. The majority of people. Its party first, for them. Now I wonder where and when I've seen that mentality before?

Wake up Conservatives and all those not rich. These Libbies truly hope you all whither and die.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

I didn't think you did and thanks ever so much for, once again, showing your true colours.

Conservatives...These Libbie Greenies don't give a rat's ass about the common folk. The majority of people. Its party first, for them. Now I wonder where and when I've seen that mentality before?

Wake up Conservatives and all those not rich. These Libbies truly hope you all whither and die.

Hahahahahahahahaha...

Actually I would just increase taxes on the rich, increase welfare rates and put price controls on fruit and holidays.

Problem solved.

I'm sure you don't mind paying a little extra.  Because you care!