Federal government releases new draft regulations on clean electricity, The regulations would drive up the cost of energy "slightly"

[Dougie93]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

deniers

the deniers are the ones who claim that we are facing an extinction event

and then claim that government policy could somehow be the solution

talk about living in denial

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the deniers are the ones who claim that we are facing an extinction event

and then claim that government policy could somehow be the solution

talk about living in denial

Yeah.  If only they would concentrate on the important stuff.  Like building an ark! 

[Dougie93]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Yeah.  If only they would concentrate on the important stuff.  Like building an ark! 

since the utterly corrupt and feeble government cannot save us from something so existential

bracing for impact is the only logical strategy

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

since the utterly corrupt and feeble government cannot save us from something so existential

bracing for impact is the only logical strategy

I don't think it's an existential threat.  If you think we need an ark, then I daresay you do?

As for saving us from what is actually going to happen, nothing currently in the works will.  Not governments, and not an ark.

Edited August 13, 2023 by bcsapper

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I don't think it's existential.  If you think we need an ark, then I daresay you do?

As for saving us from what is actually going to happen, nothing currently in the works will.  Not governments, and not an ark.

indeed, I am not a climate change denier

things are obviously heating up on an exponential curve towards catastrophic outcomes

I only reject the simplistic claims as to what the cause is

and the totally counterproductive "solutions" being imposed by government

 

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the deniers are the ones who claim that we are facing an extinction event

and then claim that government policy could somehow be the solution

talk about living in denial

Anarchy seems the likeliest 'solution'.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Anarchy seems the likeliest 'solution'.

Anarchy is fine by me

I would much rather people be forced to negotiate between themselves

 than be burdened with the jackboot of a nanny police state authoritarian government upon our necks

[Guest]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

indeed, I am not a climate change denier

things are obviously heating up on an exponential curve towards catastrophic outcomes

I only reject the simplistic claims as to what the cause is

and the totally counterproductive "solutions" being imposed by government

 

Well, the cause is human release of hydrocarbons since the industrial revolution.  You can take that as a fact.  

There are no solutions that don't involve a level of worldwide cooperation that is currently unthinkable.  

 

 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Anarchy is fine by me

I would much rather people be forced to negotiate between themselves

 than be burdened with the jackboot of a nanny police state authoritarian government upon our necks

It will certainly help with climate change.

I think.  I haven't done the maths with regard to the emissions reductions following on from a reduction in the population versus the effect of the greenhouse gas emissions from decaying corpses.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Well, the cause is human release of hydrocarbons since the industrial revolution.  You can take that as a fact.  

There are no solutions that don't involve a level of worldwide cooperation that is currently unthinkable. 

again, it's not worth arguing over ; fool's errand

since deindustrialization is not going to happen

and neither is there ever going to be a one world government

attempts to implement that will only accelerate the warming exponentially, by way of thermonuclear war

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

It will certainly help with climate change.

ah, Punk Rock turns out to be the solution after all

Generation X FTW

[Moonbox]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The bank promised no rate hikes, inflation was transitory - and remember they're the ones who control the rates.  People took them at their word and took justin at his word and got clobbered.

Tiff Macklem promised nothing.  He offered predictions and forecasts, based on available information, which is all an economist can ever do.  Taking them as promises or guarantees is retarded, because the central bank can't control all of the factors of inflation. 

Central Banking policy can, and frequently does, get bowled over by global events they can't anticipate.  That's why inflation was bad everywhere, and why nearly every central banker around world is dealing with the same partisan squawking you're offering here.  

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It's more like 2/3rds actually.  Meaning it's only taken about a third of the population of doubters and deniers to prevent action.

You guys won the war years ago.  

Yeah because that's how democracies tend to work. 1/3 of the people always rule 2/3 rds.

Here's the real problem - People "believe" that in the same way they "believe" in horoscopes and the like. On the surface they believe but deep down they don't at all.

If they ACTUALLY believed that the world would end if we didn't get this under control it would be the ONLY issue people voted on. Think about it. 

And they would NEVER have been placated by a frikkin' tax.  Anyone with half a brain can see immediately it won't do squat but even liberal voters with grade 2 math skills could figure out there was no way that was going to solve the problem.  But hey - go to paris, sign accords, and even if you ignore them we've done our part! YAAAAY.

Almost nobody - you included - actually believes disaster will strike. Least of all the politicians who could actually do something but don't.

 

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

 the effect of the greenhouse gas emissions from decaying corpses.

except mass casualty wars are only a product of Westphalian Nation States and associated military alliances

prior to that, war was an infinitely smaller affair inflicting negligible casualties by modern standards

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

except mass casualty wars are only a product of Westphalian Nation States and associated military alliances

prior to that, war was an infinitely smaller affair inflicting negligible casualties by modern standards

If decaying corpses are not an issue, then neither will be the reduction in the population.  So much for the anarchy solution.

Although there is no telling what I might be driven to if I can't get my coffee.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

Tiff Macklem promised nothing.

Of course he did. And he appologized for it later.  If he felt there was a chance that "global affaris" might "blow over' things etc blah blah excuse excuse  then he should have said " we don't believe it will "  or "as far as we can see right now it won't..."   What he said is " THEY WILL NOT GO UP"  Period.

He's not offering a "prediction" -  he made  a statement.  And HE IS the guy who raises rates or not. So if the guy in charge of interest rates says definitively in plain enlgish "RATES WILL NOT BE GOING UP" -  that's a commitment.  People rely on that.

Seriously dude - listen to yourself.  The guy in charge of something states plainly he will not do something...  and that's NOT a commitment or promise? What the hell do you think it is?  Do you have some evidence he had his fingers crossed behind his back or something?!!  LOLOL!

Tiff made a promise -  people relied on it - Tiff broke his promise and people suffer now.  That's not the people's fault. Blaming the victim is pointless.

 

[Dougie93]

Just now, bcsapper said:

If decaying corpses are not an issue, then neither will be the reduction in the population.  So much for the anarchy solution.

Although there is no telling what I might be driven to if I can't get my coffee.

the population is collapsing anyways

industrialization has resulted in non replacement birth rates

children are only free labour in an agrarian society

in an industrial society, they are a burden, so industrialization is inciting a demographic collapse

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Although there is no telling what I might be driven to if I can't get my coffee.

It boggles my mind that people spend their time worrying about nuclear war when THIS is hanging over their heads every single day.

Edited August 13, 2023 by CdnFox

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Although there is no telling what I might be driven to if I can't get my coffee.

Anarchy would make coffee cheaper and more accessble

as the Latin American coffee growers could bring it right to your door

cutting out the corporate middle men, while not having to heed any border restrictions

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Anarchy would make coffee cheaper and more accessble

as the Latin American coffee growers could bring it right to your door

cutting out the corporate middle men, while not having to heed any border restrictions

Do you think they could pick up a few avocados on the way?

I could probably live with a little anarchy after all.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Do you think they could pick up a few avocados on the way?

I could probably live with a little anarchy after all.

Anarchy is simply cutting out the state corporate middle men

if left to their own devices, humans will actually negotiate & trade by nature

sure, there is always some violent conflict

but nothing close to the scale of conflict incited by nationalism & prohibition

aggressive wars & narcotics cartels are entirely a product of governments

Edited August 13, 2023 by Dougie93

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Of course he did. And he appologized for it later.  If he felt there was a chance that "global affaris" might "blow over' things etc blah blah excuse excuse  then he should have said " we don't believe it will "  or "as far as we can see right now it won't..."   What he said is " THEY WILL NOT GO UP"  Period.

Economics aren't a perfect science.  They never have been, they never will be, and nobody ever has or ever will be able to make guarantees about anything.  Macklem's language doesn't somehow change that, nor does your amusing attempt to redefine words.  

He didn't "promise" anything, nor did he "apologize" after the fact.  He made forecasts, and acknowledged they turned out wrong, in hindsight.   

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Seriously dude - listen to yourself.  The guy in charge of something states plainly he will not do something...  and that's NOT a commitment or promise? What the hell do you think it is?  Do you have some evidence he had his fingers crossed behind his back or something?!!  LOLOL!

Your middleschool view of central banking guidance is cute, but dumb.  If you took his statements as anything other than his prediction/intention, you're a fool.  When the global supply chain broke down and when global commodity prices spiked after the Russian invasion, the Bank had to update their models and strategy.  

The alternative you're suggesting is that they let prices spiral out of control, watch our currency devalue as capital exits Canada to find more attractive rates in the US etc, and that we just pretend we're in a bubble or something.  

"YOu can't raise rates!  You said they'd stay looooooow!  ?".  

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Almost nobody - you included - actually believes disaster will strike. Least of all the politicians who could actually do something but don't

Actually, I believe disaster already has struck.  Almost everybody else is still in frog mode meaning it hasn't registered yet.

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

but easily half the population is utterly convinced

that "climate change" is going to cause a "mass extinction" in the near future

that level of existential panic requires beyond world war levels of intervention without delay

which of course immserates the population by its astronomical expense

this is now a permanent state of emergency, a world war without end

so even of the Liberals are thrown out of power, the mass hysteria is not going away

the Conservatives will be forced to pander to it as well, if they want to stay in office

 

Down here in Florida the locals are maintaining their high living standards and confidence in the American Dream. The Fox pundits/comedians watch the left devour itself in mass hysteria with mock amusement, like watching unsophisticated little kids fret over the bogeyman.  

Edited August 13, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Down here in Florida the locals are maintaining their high living standards and confidence in the American Dream.  The Fox pundits/comedians watch the left devour itself in mass hysteria with mock amusement, like watching unsophisticated little kids fret over the bogeyman.  

I can't say I am not maintaining my high living standards and American dream here in Ontario

but only because we don't have children

everybody I know who has two kids, is basically screwed

working two jobs and/or six to seven days a week

these Millenials can't afford homes

so they are at the mercy of landlords

and renting a semidetached is pushing $3000 a month

which is like a mortgage payment on a $750,000 fully detached 

Edited August 13, 2023 by Dougie93