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[ExFlyer]

17 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

but the army does fight alone

the CF-18s for example have never once provided close air support to the army in the field

the navy is not even capable of providing any support to the army in the field

the Griffons did fly some escort overwatch for the army in Afghanistan near the end

but I am not aware of them providing any fire support, since they were only armed with machine guns anyways

the only close support of the army in the field was provided by the Americans, F-16, A-10 & Apache

and because the Americans are not actually integrated into the Canadian chain of command

that resulted in two catastrophic blue on blue fratricide incidents

the American F-16 bombing 3 VP at Tarnak Farms

the American A-10 strafing 8 Platoon, Charles Company, 1 RCR at Op Medusa

the CAF does not fight in combined arms, it is not an integrated force

only the bureaucracy was amalgamated, the operational aspects never were

No dougie, the army does not fight alone, it is supported by many parts of the Military, ours and our allies.

You may be on patrol in your vehicle alone but, you got the vehicle and all the accoutrements from somewhere and someone else..

F18's were never deployed to army support as it is not a ground support aircraft.

The Navy has difficulty sailing in the mountains and desert. LOL

Those are probably the most foolish statements you have made LOL

The Griffons and Chinooks transported and support you throughout. and, as you are, or should be aware, they are not attack helicopters.

Again, your statements are one of a narrow minded low ranking soldier. If you were a MCpl and in charge of men than you should know what support you got from who, when and what for.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh, changing your story to make it sound better?? LOL. Was it walking by his NDMC room or in Sassy's???

Time to concede and bow out of this defence of yours LOL

NDMC was years later

predeployment for Op Deliverance was 1993

visiting my buddy at NDMC was 1995

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

F18's were never deployed to army support as it is not a ground support aircraft.

F/A-18 is multirole swingrole

the pilot flips a switch in the cockpit to go from A2A to A2G

the F/A-18 is not a dedicated Air Superiority platform like F-15C

it's  primarily a strike platform which can defend itself A2A if necessary

CF-18's fly CAS on exercise in Canada, they just never deploy in that role expeditionary overseas

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

NDMC was years later

predeployment for Op Deliverance was 1993

visiting my buddy at NDMC was 1995

Hey dude, just repeating your posts. Changing your posts only makes you look like backtracking.

[ExFlyer]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

F/A-18 is multirole swingrole

the pilot flips a switch in the cockpit to go from A2A to A2G

the F/A-18 is not a dedicated Air Superiority platform like F-15C

it's  primarily a strike platform which can defend itself A2A if necessary

CF-18's fly CAS on exercise in Canada, they just never deploy in that role expeditionary overseas

Wrong, while sold as multi role, in Canadian configuration, it was very quickly realized it was not.

Immaterial anyway as, even you admit, it was never deployed and not even thought of being deployed especially in an expeditionary role. Canada does not and never had the resources to support F18 ops outside of Canada.

Edited August 5, 2023 by ExFlyer

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Hey dude, just repeating your posts. Changing your posts only makes you look like backtracking.

seeing Matchee on base was before the Op Deliverance, when the Airborne was doing predeployment

visiting my buddy at NDMC was on Op Harmony two years later

he was wounded on Op Harmony, I was given leave by 1 RCR to go visit him, because we were close friends

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Wrong, while sold as multi role, in Canadian configuration, it was very quickly realized it was not.

the CF-188 is fully capable of ground attack, its funny that you were in the air force as a CWO and think not

when even civilians know that it is

there's no difference between an F/A-18A and a CF-188 internally

[ExFlyer]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

seeing Matchee on base was before the Op Deliverance, when the Airborne was doing predeployment

visiting my buddy at NDMC was on Op Harmony two years later

he was wounded on Op Harmony, I was given leave by 1 RCR to go visit him, because we were close friends

Get over it dude. You say one thing and then another.

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the CF-188 is fully capable of ground attack, its funny that you were in the air force as a CWO and think not

when even civilians know that it is

there's no difference between an F/A-18A and a CF-188 internally

I do know the operational capability and tasking is quite different between the F/A 18 US Navy carrier based aircraft and the CF 18 Canadian Air Force aircraft, even though I have never worked on or with them them. The operational capabilities of the F-18 (CF 188) are derived from and by Canadian Air Force headquarters.

As a 16 year part time soldier, you try very hard to claim you know a lot about the Canadian Military  operations and tactics but, you are failing.

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Get over it dude. You say one thing and then another.

whatever

getting back to the original point

nobody thought Matchee was a homicidal maniac before the incident at Belet Huen

obviously not, since he was qualified as a Infantry Section Commander, one of the most rigorous courses there is

then he was judged fit for duty on an intense predeployment training cycle

then he just what ?

took it upon himself to torture a prisoner to death on his own volition ?

with no plan for how he was going to get away with that ?

actually documenting his crime while he was doing it, ensuring that he would be convicted

then he tries to kill himself a few hours later, since there was of course no escaping what he had done ?

that makes no sense

he had no motive, and no plan to escape the inevitable murder charge

that was totally irrational, the actions of someone who had gone completely out of their mind

unless of course, he had been ordered to do it, and others had been doing it for weeks by then

because the chain of command made it into a mission to abuse the prisoners

the descent into madness by the most elite unit in the Canadian Forces makes no sense overall

unless of course, they were under the influence of some sort of drug, perhaps a drug known to cause psychosis

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I do know the operational capability and tasking is quite different between the F/A 18

the CF-18's fly Close Air Support on exercise in Canada all the time

all CAS consists of, is the FAC calling the CF-18 onto the target

then the CF-18 drops bombs on the target ; that's all CAS is

the issue is that the CF-18's and the Army never deploy overseas in combined arms

the CF-18's have only ever flown strategic bombing missions for NATO

they have never operated in cooperation with the Canadian Army in theatre on operations

[Dougie93]

54 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 Canada does not and never had the resources to support F18 ops outside of Canada.

then how were they deployed for the Persian Gulf, Kosovo & Libya ?

the CF-18's are deployed for operations outside of Canada

just never in combined arms with the army and/or navy

because the CAF is not actually capable of combined arms operations

which is ironic, since the CAF is supposedly Amalgamated

Edited August 5, 2023 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

39 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

As a 16 year part time soldier, you try very hard to claim you know a lot about the Canadian Military  operations and tactics but, you are failing.

I don't view you as being particularly experienced

you only ever flew with SAR off base in Canada, then worked at NDHQ

I have seen & experienced far more than you, in half the time

just by being an infantryman who lived in Petawawa

I was at the nexus of the seminal events

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't view you as being particularly experienced

you only ever flew with SAR off base in Canada, then worked at NDHQ

I have seen & experienced far more than you, in half the time

just by being an infantryman who lived in Petawawa

I was at the nexus of the seminal events

OMG, so full of yourself you may yet explode LOL

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

OMG, so full of yourself you may yet explode LOL

it's just the truth

nothing significant ever happened with RCAF SAR on domestic ops

nothing of any particular interest ever happened at NDHQ

every significant event of the last thirty years, started & ended in Petawawa

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's just the truth

nothing significant ever happened with RCAF SAR on domestic ops

nothing of any particular interest ever happened at NDHQ

every significant event of the last thirty years, started & ended in Petawawa

Yup, nothing of any consequence ever happens or happened by RCAF SAR in Canada.

Yup, nothing ever comes from NDHQ...oh, except on orders for everything you have ever done LOL

Yup, proof positive of your narrow mindedness.

Give it up Dude LOL

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

Yup, nothing of any consequence ever happens or happened by RCAF SAR in Canada.

Yup, nothing ever comes from NDHQ...oh, except on orders for everything you have ever done LOL

Yup, proof positive of your narrow mindedness.

Give it up Dude LOL

I am not narrow minded

I was right in the middle of the some of the craziest shit that ever happened in the CF

and I analyze it, I process it, with a very open mind

I don't focus on what happened

I think about why it happend

what was the confluence of events which led us to that

 

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I am not narrow minded

I was right in the middle of the some of the craziest shit that ever happened in the CF

and I analyze it, I process it, with a very open mind

I don't focus on what happened

I think about why it happend

what was the confluence of events which led us to that

 

Face it dougie, you were the bottom end of the line.

You were not in the middle of anything, you were at the bottom of the line of everything.

You can analyze, you can think about it, you can process it but in the end, you were a peon and did what you were told by your superiors.

Have a good day dougie.

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

you were a peon and did what you were told by your superiors.

 some of my superiors are legends now

Warrant Officer Frank Mellish was  my Recce Det Commander when he was a Master Corporal

while some of my superiors are notorious

General Johnny Vance was my DCO when he was a Major

I remember Frank Mellish being a good ol boy from Nova Scotia in the Recce Platoon lines

I remember getting bawled out by Johnny Vance in the headshed

I experienced all this up close and personal, not from afar at NDHQ

Edited August 5, 2023 by Dougie93

[ExFlyer]

50 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 some of my superiors are legends now

Warrant Officer Frank Mellish was Recce Det Commander when he was a Master Corporal

while some of my superiors are notorious

General Johnny Vance was my DCO when he was a Major

I remember Frank Mellish being a good ol boy from Nova Scotia in the Recce Platoon lines

I remember getting bawled out by Johnny Vance in the head shed

Oh dougie...keep on keeping on.

Who cares who your superiors were. If they were legends in your mind, so be it. They are and were just another soldier to most folks in the Military.

Bottom line dougie, you were what you were and trying to embellish with your posts and stories only embarrasses the good ones that did what they had to without patting themselves on the back.

keep on keeping. You have the last word(s), as one is never enough for you LOL)

Edited August 5, 2023 by ExFlyer

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh dougie...keep on keeping on.

Who cares who your superiors were. If they were legends in your mind, so be it. They are and were just another soldier to most folks in the Military.

Bottom line dougie, you were what you were and trying to embellish with your posts and stories only embarrasses the good ones that did what they had to without patting themselves on th eback..

I just recount my experiences

I don't pat myself on the back

I did my duty as ordered by the chain of command

the chain of command certified that I served honourably

and I was decorated for my service therein

is all I ever say, because it's true

[Dougie93]

23 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 They are and were just another soldier to most folks in the Military.

but Warrant Officer Frank Robert Mellish was not just another soldier

he was a Canadian Airborne Regiment Patrol Pathfinder

who was posthumously awarded the Sacrifice Medal

for going forward on foot to recover the body of his best friend killed by the Taliban

wherein Warrant Mellish himself was cut down by another RPG-7

he was the very definition of a super soldier, a literal war hero

it was an honour & privilege just to have met him

Canadian civilians should know who their greatest soldiers were

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

F/A-18 is multirole swingrole

the pilot flips a switch in the cockpit to go from A2A to A2G

the F/A-18 is not a dedicated Air Superiority platform like F-15C

it's  primarily a strike platform which can defend itself A2A if necessary

CF-18's fly CAS on exercise in Canada, they just never deploy in that role expeditionary overseas

Canada's CF-18 has been deployed many times over seas, to support operations in Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya, Ukraine. plus a few more...not to mention Gulf war ... while deployed in small numbers, 

Canada's military contribution in Libya | CBC News

Canada drops 240 bombs in Libya air campaign | CBC News

Canadian CF-18 Hornets Ready To Serve In Bosnia - Aug 19, 1997 (mediaroom.com)

55-61-eng.pdf (forces.gc.ca)  

Canada to send 6 CF-18s for NATO operation in Eastern Europe | CBC News

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Canada's CF-18 has been deployed many times over seas, to support operations in Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya, Ukraine. plus a few more...not to mention Gulf war ... while deployed in small numbers,

but never in support of the Canadian Forces on the ground

only for strategic bombing, never in combined arms

only the Americans have ever provided CAS to the Canadian Army in the field

like the American Apache who came to the aid of Task Force Orion

tragically only minutes after Corporal Anthony Joseph Boneca of the Lake Superior Scottish

was killed assaulting the compound

"Militia Maggot" the Reg Force would have called him in my day

"just a part time Corporal" Ex Flyer would say

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/reservist-was-disillusioned-with-military-family-1.577624

Edited August 5, 2023 by Dougie93

[Army Guy]

17 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but never in support of the Canadian Forces on the ground

only for strategic bombing, never in combined arms

only the Americans have ever provided CAS to the Canadian Army in the field

like the American Apache who came to the aid of Task Force Orion

tragically only minutes after Corporal Anthony Joseph Boneca of the Lake Superior Scottish

was killed assaulting the compound

"Militia Maggot" the Reg Force would have called him in my day

"just a part time Corporal" Ex Flyer would say

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/reservist-was-disillusioned-with-military-family-1.577624

We don't know that , only ones calling in air strikes in Bosnia. Kosovo were spec ops, of which JTF was apart of...In Libya ground operations were also run by foreign spec ops...someone had to call in these airstrikes and guide them in, and do BDA assessments. Fact remains CF-18 did provide air support to ground forces on the ground to whom I'm not sure...which proves they are capable of doing those missions...

In Afghanistan we received air or arty support from any one that was in the sky's at the time, i don't recall anyone refusing air support becasue they were not American. while it is true most of our air support came from the US, but considering they had 3/4 of the aircraft odds were good your strike was coming from US assets...  I'm not sure why we did not have CF-18's in Afghanistan, but we could have used them thats for sure...