DeSantis’ (Literally) Killer Covid Policies!

[Rebound]

Florida followed with most of America’s Covid responses until about April, 2021. The Federal government prioritized vaccine distributions to Florida’s elderly population.  
 

But then, DeSantis went wackadoodle and discouraged vaccines for people under 65, then opened businesses and schools. Then the Delta variant popped up, and the results are no surprise:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/22/us/politics/ron-desantis-covid.html

Edited July 23, 2023 by Rebound

[NYLefty]

You know what's great. Stupid people who bet against mathematical certainty always end up with their heads in their arses. They may not know it, but people who're capable of critical thinking do, which always gives us the last laugh

Edited July 23, 2023 by NYLefty

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, NYLefty said:

You know what's great. Stupid people who bet against mathematical certainties always end up with their heads in their arses. They may not know it, but people who're capable of critical thinking do, which always gives us the last laugh

The King of the Stupld may be King, but he is still Stupld.  

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

The e-mail was sent it seems, DeSantis is being attacked for his Black Comments, Covid-19 policies, LGBTQ policies, you see how easy is to activate the mobs, then the newspapers run them daily, I see them trending, then you have posters like yourself and other soldiers pushing the information forward. 

Well, I looked at the polls, looked at MAGA's polls, DeSantis has no chance. 

The media got what they wanted, candidate Trump in the final, because the theory is folks will mobilize against Trump, for Joe, independents, and centrists, will come together for Joe. 

Yes, however, this theory disregarded the trend of No Labels, and Almighty if they decide to run a candidate, you might just have the monster himself, Trump, president. Even then, I heard someone said is better to have Trump as president than DeSantis, because is easier to control Trump, sure, control him ? if Trump gets his hands on the sugar again, it won't be any control in my opinion.

https://repolitics.com/forums/topic/45582-should-no-labels-run-a-presidential-candidate/

So the only two possibilities in the GOP field are the literally insane extremists?  The GOP used to nominate far more rational people.  George Bush II was a flawed President; but geez, he’s the one who got the government to create a pandemic response plan.  And it wasn’t his administration; HE did it. Now we have jackasses who think vaccines are myths and public health experts don’t know what they’re doing and science is myth. 
 

There are plenty of GOP candidates to choose from who aren’t batshlt crazy. It doesn’t have to be MTG vs Brobert in a cage match. 

[Rebound]

12 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Mitch McConnell is a strong political man compared to Pelosi's circus, however, in this, Pelosi won the battle. 

The Democratic establishment crushed any progressive excess, she was the Iron Lady on that one, McConnell saw the MAGA movement since Sarah Palin's time (the stage moment during McCain's defeat speech, do you remember it?!) and thought he can play with it, use it for his benefit, then he lost control, is my opinion. 

Pelosi crushed any Bernie moves, and blocked him like a chess master, nobody says this out loud in your establishment because you like what she did, so don't judge too much where the Republicans are now in populism, some can say that Republicans just allowed "the people" to go where they wanted to go when the Democratic Establishment put blocks at every road for their populists. 

I can’t say that I follow you.  
I would say this: Pelosi and McConnell were able to keep their membership aligned on legislative goals, which is incredibly difficult to do. In fact, if Pelosi were ineffective at it, she wouldn’t be so reviled by the right.
 

I do not believe that she was some sort of master manipulator “Kingmaker.”  The truth is she needed 218 votes to get anything done. She did not have the kind of financial leverage that exists on the right, where Koch will drop $5 million on robocalls any time a GOP member doesn’t do as he wishes. She had to get her votes from democrats from Alabama, New York, and everywhere else.  
 

By comparison, I would rate Kevin McCarthy as being far less effective. He is letting 20 members of his party control the other 200.  He allows a fraud like Santos to run around unpunished and MTG just displayed large nude photos and called another Congresswoman a bltch on the floor of the House of Representatives. THAT is a circus.  
 

Republican House speakers rarely make it four years.  They get booted by their own members all the time.  Nancy Pelosi served eight years as Speaker. Her Democratic predecessor served ten years.  

Edited July 24, 2023 by Rebound

[Zeitgeist]

Florida had the best approach to Covid in many ways, especially in terms of keeping businesses and schools open, avoiding mandates, and using anti-virals. 

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Florida had the best approach to Covid in many ways, especially in terms of keeping businesses and schools open, avoiding mandates, and using anti-virals. 

At the cost of the 18th highest death rate. But that doesn't matter, right?

All the higher rate states are red except NM.

Oklahoma	158.8	7279
Alabama	152.8	9491
Texas	151.4	44516
West Virginia	146.8	3619
Mississippi	146.3	5082
Wyoming	143.4	1026
Tennessee	142.5	11911
Nevada	141.6	5149
Arizona	139.5	12706
South Carolina	139.2	9088
Kentucky	136.7	7459
New Mexico	136.3	3502
Georgia	135.9	15834
Arkansas	127.7	4739
Ohio	122.8	18285
Louisiana	116.9	6329
Idaho	112.3	2407
Florida	111.7	34557
Alaska	109.5	763
Montana	108.8	1576
North Carolina	107.5	13611
Michigan	107.1	13637
Indiana	106.8	8564
Kansas	103.1	3623
Pennsylvania	102.5	18169
Missouri	100.5	7760
California	99.9	44540
Virginia	88.5	8990
Colorado	84.2	5299
New York	83.9	21675
Delaware	83.2	1113
Utah	78.2	2252
Iowa	75.9	3098
Illinois	73.4	11298
New Jersey	71.9	8423
Maryland	71.2	5256
South Dakota	71.2	776
Wisconsin	71.1	5262
North Dakota	70.9	638
Oregon	69.2	3681
Nebraska	69	1594
Rhode Island	66.4	979
Maine	66.2	1331
Minnesota	64.1	4442
Washington	61.5	5451
New Hampshire	60.2	1112
Connecticut	56.7	2722
Massachusetts	54.6	4866
Hawaii	36.5	688
Vermont	29.5	261

[Zeitgeist]

I’m interested in all-cause deaths because no doubt the closures caused surgery and diagnostics delays, destroyed businesses, mental health problems, and suicides.  No doubt elderly were harder hit by Covid. Freedom matters.  Florida did better later in the pandemic. 

Edited July 23, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Rebound]

24 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m interested in all-cause deaths because no doubt the closures caused surgery and diagnostics delays, destroyed businesses, mental health problems, and suicides.  No doubt elderly were harder hit by Covid. Freedom matters.  Florida did better later in the pandemic. 

After DeSantis got so many people killed?

[Zeitgeist]

52 minutes ago, Rebound said:

After DeSantis got so many people killed?

Don’t be ridiculous.  He didn’t kill anyone.  You don’t believe in personal responsibility and individual health discretion I guess?

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m interested in all-cause deaths because no doubt the closures caused surgery and diagnostics delays,

Says who? I got medical services with no problem during the pandemic.

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

destroyed businesses, mental health problems, and suicides.  

You making ^this claim doesn't mean it happened.

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

No doubt elderly were harder hit by Covid. Freedom matters.  Florida did better later in the pandemic. 

So what?

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Don’t be ridiculous.  He didn’t kill anyone.  

When you set the policies, you're responsible for the results.

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

You don’t believe in personal responsibility and individual health discretion I guess?

Disease contagion is a community responsibility because you don't know who is contagious.

Many people run around KNOWING they are contagious. ?

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Don’t be ridiculous.  He didn’t kill anyone.  You don’t believe in personal responsibility and individual health discretion I guess?

Yes, I believe in personal responsibility: DeSantis was personally responsible for all of those deaths.  

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, Rebound said:

Florida followed with most of America’s Covid responses until about April, 2021. The Federal government prioritized vaccine distributions to Florida’s elderly population.  
 

But then, DeSantis went wackadoodle and discouraged vaccines for people under 65, then opened businesses and schools. Then the Delta variant popped up, and the results are no surprise:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/22/us/politics/ron-desantis-covid.html

Guess what stupid: people under 65 with no co-morbidities don't die of covid. Even with co-morbidities it's not a big deal.

That chart shows all the covid deaths in Canada from Jan 2020-Nov 2022. 

There are about 40,000 people aged 65 and over there, and 5,000 people under 65. Do you know how many people in Canada under 65 have extremely serious co-morbidities Rebound? And there are close to 30M people in that age bracket. For 5K people to die in all of 2020, all of 2021, and ten full months of 2022 is not a big deal at all. The regular flu would kill that many people, and covid death estimates were actually overestimated by quite a bit. In a lot of those instances those people died with covid, not from it. Do you understand the distinction? 

To recap, by the overestimate 5K people out of 30M died in almost 3 full years.... Do you really want to recommend that they vax? It's 3/4 of the population and 1/8th of the deaths (5k/40k). 

Why should people under 65 take the jab when there's a chance that it will kill them, and covid won't. 

And just in case you forgot, the jab didn't work "against delta". Theoretically it worked against ancestral covid but we'll never know because the vax never went up against it in the real world. 

Can you define "discouraged" and "under 65"? Do you mean "under 65 and healthy"? 

As usual, you're just parroting propaganda that you are incapable of understanding. 

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, NYLefty said:

You know what's great. Stupid people who bet against mathematical certainty always end up with their heads in their arses. They may not know it, but people who're capable of critical thinking do, which always gives us the last laugh

Who bet against mathematical certainty, racist? 

And just FYI, being a racist isn't "critical thinking" but I can actually see how you'd make that mistake. 

[WestCanMan]

31 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Yes, I believe in personal responsibility: DeSantis was personally responsible for all of those deaths.  

OMG you're so stupid it's painful to read your posts.

Do you really think that people under 65 accounted for a huge spike in covid deaths? In Canada that group accounted for about 1/8th of all deaths. People under 65 hardly ever die of covid no matter what. 

There's actually a good chance that the excess deaths in Fla were because of the vaxxing there, not due to a lack of it. 

Covid deaths went up by 30% from 2021 to 2022 in Canada, and we entered 2021 with zero vaxed Canadians, in the middle of a flu season. We entered 2022 with 85% vaxed on day 1, and even more than 85% of the elderly were vaxed. Almost 90% of our covid deaths were among the vaxed.

You're looking at the graph through the eyes of a child.  

Edited July 23, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Rebound]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

OMG you're so stupid it's painful to read your posts.

Do you really think that people under 65 accounted for a huge spike in covid deaths? In Canada that group accounted for about 1/8th of all deaths. People under 65 hardly ever die of covid no matter what. 

There's actually a good chance that the excess deaths in Fla were because of the vaxxing there, not due to a lack of it. 

Covid deaths went up by 30% from 2021 to 2022 in Canada, and we entered 2021 with zero vaxed Canadians, in the middle of a flu season. We entered 2022 with 85% vaxed on day 1, and even more than 85% of the elderly were vaxed. Almost 90% of our covid deaths were among the vaxed.

You're looking at the graph through the eyes of a child.  

And yet, there you see all those deaths in Florida. Florida isn’t Canada; very different policies were in effect.  

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There's actually a good chance that the excess deaths in Fla were because of the vaxxing there, not due to a lack of it. 

Really? You should SHOW US the high death rates from the numerous TRIALS by 10s of thousands of people submitted to the FDA AS REQUIRED.

But YOU CANNOT.

Quote

Mortality rates in the 44 weeks following the COVID-19 vaccination did not show trends suggesting an increase in mortality related to COVID-19 vaccination, reinforcing the safety of COVID-19 vaccines. This represents an accessible approach for local evaluation.

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

And yet, there you see all those deaths in Florida. Florida isn’t Canada; very different policies were in effect.  

I prefer Florida’s way to the totalitarian way.

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I prefer Florida’s way to the totalitarian way.

Because you don't care about the lives of your parents or grandparents?

[Rebound]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I prefer Florida’s way to the totalitarian way.

It was a 1 in 100 year pandemic. It’s over.  
You should read about what Walter Scott did to stop Yellow Fever in New Orleans. 

[Deluge]

On 7/22/2023 at 7:53 PM, Rebound said:

Florida followed with most of America’s Covid responses until about April, 2021. The Federal government prioritized vaccine distributions to Florida’s elderly population.  
 

But then, DeSantis went wackadoodle and discouraged vaccines for people under 65, then opened businesses and schools. Then the Delta variant popped up, and the results are no surprise:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/22/us/politics/ron-desantis-covid.html

DeSantis was right. 

Looks like COVID was hatched in a Chinese lab after all, and Fauci is guilty as f*ck. 

Now be a good little democrat and put your mask back on - your safety basement is waiting...

Edited July 24, 2023 by Deluge

[reason10]

On 7/22/2023 at 9:53 PM, Rebound said:

Florida followed with most of America’s Covid responses until about April, 2021. The Federal government prioritized vaccine distributions to Florida’s elderly population.  
 

But then, DeSantis went wackadoodle and discouraged vaccines for people under 65, then opened businesses and schools. Then the Delta variant popped up, and the results are no surprise:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/22/us/politics/ron-desantis-covid.html

Another LYING opinion piece from the TREASON TIMES, America's NAZI rag.

I would suggest you shove those lies up your a$$ but it appears that space is being occupied by a lot of other things.

[reason10]

Let's not forget that BLUE STATE New York's governor allowed Covid (OBAMA) virus patients in NURSING HOMES, and scores of seniors were infected and died.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/08/cuomo-sent-6300-covid-19-patients-to-nursing-homes-amid-pandemic/

Gov. Cuomo sent 6,300 COVID-19 patients to nursing homes during pandemic

New York dispatched more than 6,300 recovering coronavirus patients into vulnerable nursing homes during the height of the pandemic, officials said this week.

The transfers were made under a now-scrapped, highly criticized policy that barred nursing homes from refusing to take in COVID-19 patients — a directive from the Cuomo administration intending to free up hospital beds for the sickest patients.

New York is now home to one of the highest nursing home death tolls in the nation, with more than 6,400 deaths in homes and long-term care facilities tied to the virus.

But Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his administration argue that the controversial policy is not to blame for the tragic figure.

State Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker instead said the virus was spread by the 20,000 infected home staffers, many of whom kept going to work in March and April unaware that they were sick — findings outlined in a DOH report issued Monday.

“Facts matter. And those are the facts,” Zucker said during a news conference Monday.

The report backs claims Cuomo had been making for weeks that sick staff, not transported patients, had caused the deadly spread through nursing homes.

Critics in the state Legislature have challenged the report’s credibility, with lawmakers planning to move ahead with public hearings on the nursing home death, NY1 reported.

Assemblyman Ron Kim (D-Queens), condemned the report as a “cover-up.”

“This is a conflict of interest for the health department to investigate its own poor decisions,” Kim said on Monday.

“For them to say that the decision of sending COVID-19 patients from hospitals into nursing did not contribute to increasing infections is ludicrous,” Kim said.

Cuomo senior adviser Richard Azzopardi clapped back at some of the criticism Monday.

“Once again, Ron Kim doesn’t know what he’s talking about and apparently doesn’t care about embarrassing himself,” Azzopardi said at the time. “The DOH report was peer-reviewed by experts at Mount Sinai and Northwell Health, and it’s disturbing that this politician is refusing to believe facts, science and dates on a calendar.”

NOTHING like that happened here in Florida. You are full of shit and the LYING NAZI TREASON TIMES is full  of shit.

I LIVE HERE. The MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA FAGS at the TREASON TIME do not live here. I would have seen local news stories of those actual deaths if they actually existed. The TREASON TIMES is LYING.

You and your FAGGA extremists can bite my a$$.

Edited July 24, 2023 by reason10

[Rebound]

53 minutes ago, Deluge said:

DeSantis was right. 

Looks like COVID was hatched in a Chinese lab after all, and Fauci is guilty as f*ck. 

Now be a good little democrat and put your mask back on - your safety basement is waiting...

You’re the one living in a basement — your parents basement. Get off the internet and get a job, loser.