Nationalist Posted July 25, 2023 Report Posted July 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Boges said: Useless commentary. Feel free to justify Slavery because it taught important life skills. I think all it said was, a slave handled a lot of manual labour and acquired skills, like blacksmith, that could be used as a free man to earn a living. That actually seems reasonable. But of course, the very idea is abhorrent to you. Never the less...It is reasonable. No justification at all. Except in your touchy-feely mind. Oh...and a descendant of black slaves apparently wrote it. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
impartialobserver Posted July 25, 2023 Report Posted July 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Boges said: The curriculum indeed states: That's like saying slaves were fed food and given medical care for their personal benefit. It's irrelevant to the nature of discussing slavery and only serves to make slavery seem less awful. Here is the true test of someone's view on slavery. Ask them if they would resist being a slave if the tables were turned? Would they be ok with being slave? It is simple human nature to want to be in control of one's destiny or at least perceive that you are. Quote
BeaverFever Posted July 25, 2023 Author Report Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: LOL...you "truly" are a dry sponge for stupid...ain't ya Beav? As per usual you are only able to respond to factual rational arguments with insults. Ironically that’s a textbook tactic of “stupid” people. Quote
BeaverFever Posted July 25, 2023 Author Report Posted July 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: I think all it said was, a slave handled a lot of manual labour and acquired skills, like blacksmith, that could be used as a free man to earn a living. That actually seems reasonable. But of course, the very idea is abhorrent to you. Never the less...It is reasonable. No justification at all. Except in your touchy-feely mind. Slavery lasted for hundreds of years. Most slaves died in bondage not as skilled freemen. Besides in the face of the centuries of the industrial-scale rape and brutality of chattel slavery it is simply absurd to talk about “job skills” for a lucky few survivors. Your comment is like saying to a child rape victim “it is reasonable to point out that on the plus side, now you’ve learned about the birds and the bees. N justification at all, just in your touchy-feely mind!” Quote
BeaverFever Posted July 26, 2023 Author Report Posted July 26, 2023 And just when you thought what else can do, Florida’s war on education (and women, Black, immigrants, LGBTQ, minorities of all kinds) continues. In their latest “Hold my beer” move the state has just approved the wildly inaccurate, unqualified and overtly partisan far-right internet propaganda outlet PragerU for use in schools: Florida Will Allow Far Right PragerU Materials in Public Schools, Company Says “This is Christian nationalist indoctrination,” one critic of the move said. The company, which was founded in 2009 by right-wing radio host Dennis Prager, has pushed anti-immigrant theories, downplayed the role of racism in U.S. history and modern society, embraced Christian nationalism, disputed climate change, and expressed doubts about inequalities based on gender, race and sexuality. The company’s content frequently promotes capitalist and imperialist ideology. ..,According to an email the organization sent to The Daily Beast, PragerU Kids lessons were found to be in compliance with “Florida’s revised civics and government standards.” Those standards have faced widespread criticism, as they promote blatant lies about U.S. history — a recently announced change in curriculum, for example, requires teachers to tell students that enslaved Black people “personally benefited” from the institution of slavery. … PragerU Kids advertises itself as providing “content for your child’s mind to fight the leftist lies.” Much of its content aims to indoctrinate young children with far right, nationalist views on Christianity, gender, immigration and economics. Lessons frequently omit or change historical facts to further a right-wing agenda. In one video, for example, a man dressed as Uncle Sam quizzes children on the Electoral College, wrongly stating that “one of the benefits” of the system “is that it keeps candidates from only campaigning to states with large populations.” That claim — which is often pushed by conservatives to justify maintaining an electoral system that largely benefits Republicans — is overstated… The video also disregards one of the main reasons the Electoral College was created: to appease states where slavery was legal. Indeed, the system still disenfranchises Black voters, according to the Brennan Center for Justice’s Wilfred U. Codrington III, who wrote in 2020: More than two centuries after it was designed to empower southern whites, the Electoral College continues to do just that. The current system has a distinct, adverse impact on black voters, diluting their political power. The PragerU Kids quiz video does not mention slavery or its role in the founders’ decision to create the Electoral College. An examination of PragerU Kids by diggit magazine last month found that PragerU videos, widely popular in right-wing circles, “reject diversity and equality of genders, races and sexualities, support capitalism and the free market economy, and heavily relate their views to Christianity.” The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) also conducted an examination of PragerU, finding that the organization frequently rewrites history. The company, for instance, has rejected the well-established fact that Richard Nixon employed the “southern strategy” to appeal to racist voters in the U.S. South in order to win his elections. “PragerU seems to be yet another node on the internet connecting conservative media consumers to the dark corners of the extreme right,” the SPLC analysis concluded. Critics on social media blasted the decision to allow PragerU Kids materials in Florida schools. The decision to allow PragerU materials is “the latest example showing that [Florida Republican Gov. Ron] DeSantis hasn’t removed political ideology schools, but rather amplified conservative Christian ideologies that he favors,” wrote Mike Hixenbaugh, senior investigative reporter for NBC News. “The point of [DeSantis’s and other conservatives’ attacks on] public schools with the gay and trans conspiracy theories was always to oppress vulnerable groups, but also to weaken public education and create a controlled market for ideology-driven curricula producers,” said political analyst Jared Yates Sexton. “This is Christian nationalist indoctrination making its way into public school classrooms,” wrote Mendi Tackett, a journalist who tracks Christian nationalist movements across the U.S. https://truthout.org/articles/florida-will-allow-far-right-prageru-materials-in-public-schools-company-says/ Quote
Nationalist Posted July 26, 2023 Report Posted July 26, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Slavery lasted for hundreds of years. Most slaves died in bondage not as skilled freemen. Besides in the face of the centuries of the industrial-scale rape and brutality of chattel slavery it is simply absurd to talk about “job skills” for a lucky few survivors. Your comment is like saying to a child rape victim “it is reasonable to point out that on the plus side, now you’ve learned about the birds and the bees. N justification at all, just in your touchy-feely mind!” So...the statement is true...but the act of stating such...offends you? Ya know...it's not always good to have your feelings rule your logic. 16 hours ago, impartialobserver said: Here is the true test of someone's view on slavery. Ask them if they would resist being a slave if the tables were turned? Would they be ok with being slave? It is simple human nature to want to be in control of one's destiny or at least perceive that you are. Sure. And that has to do with the statement at hand...how exactly? Edited July 26, 2023 by Nationalist 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Aristides Posted July 27, 2023 Report Posted July 27, 2023 Slaves were never taught anything that didn't benefit their owner. Quote
reason10 Posted July 27, 2023 Report Posted July 27, 2023 On 7/25/2023 at 9:42 PM, BeaverFever said: And just when you thought what else can do, Florida’s war on education (and women, Black, immigrants, LGBTQ, minorities of all kinds) continues. In their latest “Hold my beer” move the state has just approved the wildly inaccurate, unqualified and overtly partisan far-right internet propaganda outlet PragerU for use in schools: Florida Will Allow Far Right PragerU Materials in Public Schools, Company Says “This is Christian nationalist indoctrination,” one critic of the move said. The company, which was founded in 2009 by right-wing radio host Dennis Prager, has pushed anti-immigrant theories, downplayed the role of racism in U.S. history and modern society, embraced Christian nationalism, disputed climate change, and expressed doubts about inequalities based on gender, race and sexuality. The company’s content frequently promotes capitalist and imperialist ideology. ..,According to an email the organization sent to The Daily Beast, PragerU Kids lessons were found to be in compliance with “Florida’s revised civics and government standards.” Those standards have faced widespread criticism, as they promote blatant lies about U.S. history — a recently announced change in curriculum, for example, requires teachers to tell students that enslaved Black people “personally benefited” from the institution of slavery. … PragerU Kids advertises itself as providing “content for your child’s mind to fight the leftist lies.” Much of its content aims to indoctrinate young children with far right, nationalist views on Christianity, gender, immigration and economics. Lessons frequently omit or change historical facts to further a right-wing agenda. In one video, for example, a man dressed as Uncle Sam quizzes children on the Electoral College, wrongly stating that “one of the benefits” of the system “is that it keeps candidates from only campaigning to states with large populations.” That claim — which is often pushed by conservatives to justify maintaining an electoral system that largely benefits Republicans — is overstated… The video also disregards one of the main reasons the Electoral College was created: to appease states where slavery was legal. Indeed, the system still disenfranchises Black voters, according to the Brennan Center for Justice’s Wilfred U. Codrington III, who wrote in 2020: More than two centuries after it was designed to empower southern whites, the Electoral College continues to do just that. The current system has a distinct, adverse impact on black voters, diluting their political power. The PragerU Kids quiz video does not mention slavery or its role in the founders’ decision to create the Electoral College. An examination of PragerU Kids by diggit magazine last month found that PragerU videos, widely popular in right-wing circles, “reject diversity and equality of genders, races and sexualities, support capitalism and the free market economy, and heavily relate their views to Christianity.” The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) also conducted an examination of PragerU, finding that the organization frequently rewrites history. The company, for instance, has rejected the well-established fact that Richard Nixon employed the “southern strategy” to appeal to racist voters in the U.S. South in order to win his elections. “PragerU seems to be yet another node on the internet connecting conservative media consumers to the dark corners of the extreme right,” the SPLC analysis concluded. Critics on social media blasted the decision to allow PragerU Kids materials in Florida schools. The decision to allow PragerU materials is “the latest example showing that [Florida Republican Gov. Ron] DeSantis hasn’t removed political ideology schools, but rather amplified conservative Christian ideologies that he favors,” wrote Mike Hixenbaugh, senior investigative reporter for NBC News. “The point of [DeSantis’s and other conservatives’ attacks on] public schools with the gay and trans conspiracy theories was always to oppress vulnerable groups, but also to weaken public education and create a controlled market for ideology-driven curricula producers,” said political analyst Jared Yates Sexton. “This is Christian nationalist indoctrination making its way into public school classrooms,” wrote Mendi Tackett, a journalist who tracks Christian nationalist movements across the U.S. https://truthout.org/articles/florida-will-allow-far-right-prageru-materials-in-public-schools-company-says/ Hey, STUPID. First, there's NOTHING far right about Prager Univ Second, only IDI0Ts cite TRUTHOUT, which certainly contains ZERO truth. Are you just plain STUPID? Quote
Mako Posted July 31, 2023 Report Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) On 7/25/2023 at 2:17 PM, BeaverFever said: It’s not a lie. Your conservative opinion piece in a conservative outlet is not a source of unbiased truth. His argument that it is a “fact” that slavery was “beneficial” to some is not a fact but an opinion (see my many statements that conservatives can’t tell the difference between facts and opinions) and its yet another flimsy opinion. Second he goes on to say that it’s only a “tiny” piece of the lesson and the horrors of slavery were also taught. Evn if itnis a tiny part it’s the part that tries to justify the rest of it. And imagine if someone said the holocaust was “beneficial” to survivors who learned skills in Nazi concentration Camps. Or that 9-11 was “beneficial” to some survivors because they were motivated to improve their lives. Even if it were true, out of respect for the victims and the sheer horror of the atrocities, nobody would dare say those things out loud much less make it mandatory school curriculum. But that kind of respect is yet another privilege that Black people don’t receive in places like Florida. Did slaves sometimes learn skills which benefited them? https://nypost.com/2023/07/24/black-member-of-florida-curriculum-group-fires-back-at-kamala-harriss-criticism/ Edited July 31, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Mako Posted July 31, 2023 Report Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) The elite want to control schools only to degrade and divide the people. https://nypost.com/2023/07/29/how-big-tech-and-big-money-made-our-schools-go-woke/ Edited July 31, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
BeaverFever Posted July 31, 2023 Author Report Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Mako said: Did slaves sometimes learn skills which benefited them? https://nypost.com/2023/07/24/black-member-of-florida-curriculum-group-fires-back-at-kamala-harriss-criticism/ Only a Republican id1ot would attempt to justify centuries of forced labour, rape, torture, murder, child abduction and child trafficking with “but but but a statistically insignificant number of their descendants obtained job skills!” Edited July 31, 2023 by BeaverFever Quote
reason10 Posted August 1, 2023 Report Posted August 1, 2023 On 7/31/2023 at 9:02 AM, BeaverFever said: Only a Republican id1ot would attempt to justify centuries of forced labour, rape, torture, murder, child abduction and child trafficking with “but but but a statistically insignificant number of their descendants obtained job skills!” Excuse me SHIT FOR BRAINS, but forced labor, rape, torture, murder, child abduction and child trafficking ARE STILL TAKING PLACE TODAY. The United States is the ONLY country that fought a fcking CIVIL WAR to end the process of importing slaves from Africa FROM A CONTINENT THAT SOLD ITS OWN FCKING PEOPLE IN TO SLAVERY IN THE FIRST PLACE, as well as maintaining slavery today. There is STILL slavery taking place in Africa, you mor0n. Kamala the Ugandan Giant is LYING about that slavery skills bullshit. I proved it with the facts. Grow a brain, idi0t. 1 Quote
impartialobserver Posted August 1, 2023 Report Posted August 1, 2023 One incontrovertible reality is that a group of people will ALWAYS prefer the poor rule of oneself over the superior rule of another. Even if the invading country brings about a more modern, advanced way of life... the invadees will always want to rule their own roost. Quote
Aristides Posted August 1, 2023 Report Posted August 1, 2023 5 hours ago, impartialobserver said: One incontrovertible reality is that a group of people will ALWAYS prefer the poor rule of oneself over the superior rule of another. Even if the invading country brings about a more modern, advanced way of life... the invadees will always want to rule their own roost. What does that have to do with slavery? Quote
impartialobserver Posted August 1, 2023 Report Posted August 1, 2023 46 minutes ago, Aristides said: What does that have to do with slavery? no matter how beneficial slavery could be.. no one will ever willingly opt for it.. They want control over their own self even if the result will be inferior Quote
Aristides Posted August 2, 2023 Report Posted August 2, 2023 54 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: no matter how beneficial slavery could be.. no one will ever willingly opt for it.. They want control over their own self even if the result will be inferior How is being a slave superior? Quote
herbie Posted August 2, 2023 Report Posted August 2, 2023 hat a f*cked up forum... trying to seriously discuss the "benefits" of slavery and colonialism. Nice troll. Like a fishing line with no hook, cuz what bites ain't even worth catching. 1 Quote
Mako Posted August 2, 2023 Report Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) On 7/31/2023 at 9:02 AM, BeaverFever said: Only a Republican id1ot would attempt to justify centuries of forced labour, rape, torture, murder, child abduction and child trafficking with “but but but a statistically insignificant number of their descendants obtained job skills!” Only a leftist m0ron would lie about the FL curriculum to maintain the established failed corrupt educational monopoly. The only people trying to justify slavery are rich liberals. https://nypost.com/2020/07/25/nike-should-quit-lecturing-on-social-justice-and-atone-for-using-slave-labor-in-china/ Edited August 2, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Aristides Posted August 2, 2023 Report Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) Trump makes all sorts of his merchandise in China. Ivanka was awarded 41 Chineses trademarks for her stuff when Trump was in office. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/22/ivankas-trademark-requests-were-fast-tracked-in-china-after-trump-was-elected/?sh=356c54341d60 Edited August 2, 2023 by Aristides Quote
reason10 Posted August 2, 2023 Report Posted August 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Aristides said: Trump makes all sorts of his merchandise in China. Ivanka was awarded 41 Chineses trademarks for her stuff when Trump was in office. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/22/ivankas-trademark-requests-were-fast-tracked-in-china-after-trump-was-elected/?sh=356c54341d60 Uh, NO. Trump BOUGHT a lot of merch from China, SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE, you mor0n. He single handedly built a nine billion dollar real estate empire, and a lot of the furnishings and Air Conditioning units came from China as well as South Korea. Your ghetto family might buy castoffs from Goodwill or the Dollar Store, but brilliant self made billionaires like Trump go first class. Quote
Aristides Posted August 2, 2023 Report Posted August 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, reason10 said: Uh, NO. Trump BOUGHT a lot of merch from China, SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE, you mor0n. He single handedly built a nine billion dollar real estate empire, and a lot of the furnishings and Air Conditioning units came from China as well as South Korea. Your ghetto family might buy castoffs from Goodwill or the Dollar Store, but brilliant self made billionaires like Trump go first class. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-event-touted-made-america-goods-lot-his-merchandise-couldn-n893656 Quote
reason10 Posted August 2, 2023 Report Posted August 2, 2023 Boys and girls, look at Oprah Winfrey. She is one of the RICHEST black women in the world. Had her ancestors NOT been brought to America in slavery in the 19th Century, do you think living in some jungle she would have magically made those millions? Is there REALLY that much cash in trading leopard skins? Personally, I would have been happier if slavery had never existed and the only blacks who made their way to our shores came here voluntarily and helped build this country. I've about had it up to HERE with the small and loud group of entitled blacks who want me and my kids to pay THEM for what happened to people I had nothing to do with. 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-event-touted-made-america-goods-lot-his-merchandise-couldn-n893656 When you find a reliable link, try again. Anyone can quote a far left NAzi rag. 1 Quote
impartialobserver Posted August 2, 2023 Report Posted August 2, 2023 17 hours ago, Aristides said: How is being a slave superior? One could think that being a slave and therefore being forced to live in a more modern civilization (1820's Uganda compared to the USA) is superior to being left in the jungle. However, no one would ever opt for being a slave even if from an economic/material standpoint one is in a better situation. Quote
reason10 Posted August 2, 2023 Report Posted August 2, 2023 One could think that being a slave and therefore being forced to live in a more modern civilization (1820's Uganda compared to the USA) is superior to being left in the jungle. However, no one would ever opt for being a slave even if from an economic/material standpoint one is in a better situation. A case could be made that life might be better for the descendants of slaves in America, OR DESCENDANTS OF SLAVE TRADERS, LIKE KAMALA THE UGANDAN GIANT. Let's not forget that being sold into slavery (in African cultures like Ashanti, Fologia, etc) was often considered a punishment for some crime; a way of parents dealing with teenage children who were uncontrollable, or with family members wanting to get rid of someone in order to gain an upper hand in the family. (Africans who sold their OWN into slavery were much more evil than the Americans who bought the slaves at the auctions.) This thread is basically a LIE. Kamala the Ugandan Giant is LYING about Florida's African studies program, where allegedly blacks were better off with skills they learned as slaves. This thread isn't about the horrors of slavery. It's about a RACIST entitled Vice President DELIBERATELY LYING about how the state of Florida handles its public education, (which is REALLY stupid since we have the best schools in the state.) Quote
impartialobserver Posted August 2, 2023 Report Posted August 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, reason10 said: One could think that being a slave and therefore being forced to live in a more modern civilization (1820's Uganda compared to the USA) is superior to being left in the jungle. However, no one would ever opt for being a slave even if from an economic/material standpoint one is in a better situation. A case could be made that life might be better for the descendants of slaves in America, OR DESCENDANTS OF SLAVE TRADERS, LIKE KAMALA THE UGANDAN GIANT. Let's not forget that being sold into slavery (in African cultures like Ashanti, Fologia, etc) was often considered a punishment for some crime; a way of parents dealing with teenage children who were uncontrollable, or with family members wanting to get rid of someone in order to gain an upper hand in the family. (Africans who sold their OWN into slavery were much more evil than the Americans who bought the slaves at the auctions.) This thread is basically a LIE. Kamala the Ugandan Giant is LYING about Florida's African studies program, where allegedly blacks were better off with skills they learned as slaves. This thread isn't about the horrors of slavery. It's about a RACIST entitled Vice President DELIBERATELY LYING about how the state of Florida handles its public education, (which is REALLY stupid since we have the best schools in the state.) as always, you go off into left field.. I doubt that you can do this but can you answer the following question with a yes or no? Not one single other character is needed Would you ever willingly opt to be a slave? Quote
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