The Climate Of Florida, boys and girls

[BeaverFever]

MAGA propaganda collides with Florida reality | Fred Grimm

Fred GrimmJuly 14, 2023 at 1:34 p.m.

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A Trump supporter wears a MAGA Cap to a political rally.

Imagine the cognitive dissonance in mocking climate change as so much liberal hype even as the heat index in South Florida exceeds 100 degrees for the 33rd straight day. And counting.

Imagine hewing to the official state pretense that Florida’s property insurance crisis isn’t a crisis in the same week that Farmers Insurance Group notified the state that it was skedaddling.

Imagine acting as if the spate of racist, homophobic, sexist laws spat out by the Florida Legislature embodies sound policy rather than the cynical contrivances of the governor’s presidential campaign. Never mind that Florida cities are losing convention business due to the state’s “unfriendly political environment.”

Imaging trying to convince farmers and builders that Florida’s draconian anti-immigrant legislation hasn’t chased away much needed workers, even as farmers and builders insist otherwise.

 

Imagine ignoring the damage caused by agricultural runoff, leaky septic tanks and other pollutants in a week when 440-square miles of toxic green algae was smothering Lake Okeechobee.

Mendacity has always been an integral element in MAGA’s brave new world, but imagine the enormous self-deception required to ignore a life-threatening heat dome stalled over Florida, Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma and a sizeable chunk of Arizona.

Climate denial just doesn’t resonate after the hottest day in the hottest week in the hottest June in recorded history. Along with floods, wildfires, superstorms, droughts, mudslides, melting glaciers, dying coral reefs and other disasters ignited by global warming.

Even wild-eyed zealots must reach a breakpoint where reality undercuts MAGA ideology. Apparently, in Florida, that juncture remains elusive. Last month, Gov. Ron DeSantis demonstrated his contempt for climate change mitigation by vetoing a budget item that would have qualified Florida for a $346 million federal grant to improve energy efficiency. DeSantis told Fox News that he “rejects the politicization of the weather.”

Florida Chief Operating Officer Jimmy Patronis, who oversees the Office of Insurance Regulation, suffers his own MAGA delusions. After Farmers Insurance Group announced that the company would neither write new insurance policies in Florida nor renew 100,000 existing policies, Patronis accused the company of going woke — the DeSantis regime’s ultimate revilement.

“The more we learn about Farmers Insurance the more it’s clear its leadership doesn’t know what they’re doing. While they’re bad at helping people, they’re good at virtue signaling,” Patronis claimed Tuesday.

Patronis didn’t say whether three other major insurers who’ve abandoned Florida, or the 15 companies that have stopped writing new policies, or the seven firms that have gone bankrupt covering disaster losses were similarly undone by liberal wokeness. He accused Farmers of “playing politics” and said the company was “well on its way to becoming the Bud Light of insurance,” referencing the MAGA hate frenzy ignited last month by the appearance of a transgender woman in a Bud Light ad.

Despite Florida’s mighty war on woke, property insurance has risen from an average annual premium of $1,544 to $4,231 under the DeSantis administration. Depending on one’s political perspective, Florida insurers have either fobbed off the cost of inclusion, equity and diversity on their customers or else hurricanes have rendered vulnerable areas of Florida nearly uninsurable.

State laws targeting abortion, Black history, LGBTQ rights, immigrants, college professors, teachers, librarians, unions and drag queens have been blamed for the loss of at least six conventions in Fort Lauderdale, one in Miami and five in Orlando. Con of Thrones, a gathering of “Game of Thrones” enthusiasts,  canceledits Orlando convention, due to “the increasingly anti-humanitarian legislation and atmosphere in Florida.”

But Florida’s tourism losses haven’t yet reached the critical point where state officials admit that their mindless culture wars are savaging the state’s brand.

The nation’s harshest immigration laws have left the state’s agriculture, construction and hospitality sectors desperate for workers, but apparently the desperation hasn’t reached the point where Republican politicians are forced to admit another mistake.

Residents downstream from Lake Okeechobee along the Caloosahatchee River, the St. Lucie River and the Indian River Lagoon worry that huge gobs of green algae will soon be floating their way. But state officials still haven’t gone after the polluters who created this stinking mess. Not yet.

Nor has Florida’s firearm mayhem — more than a thousand gun homicides a year — reached the crucial juncture when MAGA pols no longer deny the relationship between permissive gun laws and all those bullet-riddled bodies.

When it comes to firearm killings, escalating insurance costs, climate disasters, immigrant labor, polluted waterways, legislative bigotry, the solutions are obvious. Sadly, we’re just not there yet.

Florida hasn’t reached that crucial breakpoint where truth matters more than ideology.

Fred Grimm, a longtime resident of Fort Lauderdale, has worked as a journalist in South Florida since 1976. 
 

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/07/14/maga-propaganda-collides-with-florida-reality-fred-grimm/

[reason10]

12 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Never ceases to amaze me how profoundly stupid you are R10.

There are bugs on the windshield of my car here in Florida who would score higher on a college SAT than you, assuming you ever made it out of the third grade.

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

MAGA propaganda collides with Florida reality | Fred Grimm

Fred GrimmJuly 14, 2023 at 1:34 p.m.

George Frey / Getty Images

A Trump supporter wears a MAGA Cap to a political rally.

Imagine the cognitive dissonance in mocking climate change as so much liberal hype even as the heat index in South Florida exceeds 100 degrees for the 33rd straight day. And counting.

Imagine hewing to the official state pretense that Florida’s property insurance crisis isn’t a crisis in the same week that Farmers Insurance Group notified the state that it was skedaddling.

Imagine acting as if the spate of racist, homophobic, sexist laws spat out by the Florida Legislature embodies sound policy rather than the cynical contrivances of the governor’s presidential campaign. Never mind that Florida cities are losing convention business due to the state’s “unfriendly political environment.”

Imaging trying to convince farmers and builders that Florida’s draconian anti-immigrant legislation hasn’t chased away much needed workers, even as farmers and builders insist otherwise.

 

Imagine ignoring the damage caused by agricultural runoff, leaky septic tanks and other pollutants in a week when 440-square miles of toxic green algae was smothering Lake Okeechobee.

Mendacity has always been an integral element in MAGA’s brave new world, but imagine the enormous self-deception required to ignore a life-threatening heat dome stalled over Florida, Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma and a sizeable chunk of Arizona.

Climate denial just doesn’t resonate after the hottest day in the hottest week in the hottest June in recorded history. Along with floods, wildfires, superstorms, droughts, mudslides, melting glaciers, dying coral reefs and other disasters ignited by global warming.

Even wild-eyed zealots must reach a breakpoint where reality undercuts MAGA ideology. Apparently, in Florida, that juncture remains elusive. Last month, Gov. Ron DeSantis demonstrated his contempt for climate change mitigation by vetoing a budget item that would have qualified Florida for a $346 million federal grant to improve energy efficiency. DeSantis told Fox News that he “rejects the politicization of the weather.”

Florida Chief Operating Officer Jimmy Patronis, who oversees the Office of Insurance Regulation, suffers his own MAGA delusions. After Farmers Insurance Group announced that the company would neither write new insurance policies in Florida nor renew 100,000 existing policies, Patronis accused the company of going woke — the DeSantis regime’s ultimate revilement.

“The more we learn about Farmers Insurance the more it’s clear its leadership doesn’t know what they’re doing. While they’re bad at helping people, they’re good at virtue signaling,” Patronis claimed Tuesday.

Patronis didn’t say whether three other major insurers who’ve abandoned Florida, or the 15 companies that have stopped writing new policies, or the seven firms that have gone bankrupt covering disaster losses were similarly undone by liberal wokeness. He accused Farmers of “playing politics” and said the company was “well on its way to becoming the Bud Light of insurance,” referencing the MAGA hate frenzy ignited last month by the appearance of a transgender woman in a Bud Light ad.

Despite Florida’s mighty war on woke, property insurance has risen from an average annual premium of $1,544 to $4,231 under the DeSantis administration. Depending on one’s political perspective, Florida insurers have either fobbed off the cost of inclusion, equity and diversity on their customers or else hurricanes have rendered vulnerable areas of Florida nearly uninsurable.

State laws targeting abortion, Black history, LGBTQ rights, immigrants, college professors, teachers, librarians, unions and drag queens have been blamed for the loss of at least six conventions in Fort Lauderdale, one in Miami and five in Orlando. Con of Thrones, a gathering of “Game of Thrones” enthusiasts,  canceledits Orlando convention, due to “the increasingly anti-humanitarian legislation and atmosphere in Florida.”

But Florida’s tourism losses haven’t yet reached the critical point where state officials admit that their mindless culture wars are savaging the state’s brand.

The nation’s harshest immigration laws have left the state’s agriculture, construction and hospitality sectors desperate for workers, but apparently the desperation hasn’t reached the point where Republican politicians are forced to admit another mistake.

Residents downstream from Lake Okeechobee along the Caloosahatchee River, the St. Lucie River and the Indian River Lagoon worry that huge gobs of green algae will soon be floating their way. But state officials still haven’t gone after the polluters who created this stinking mess. Not yet.

Nor has Florida’s firearm mayhem — more than a thousand gun homicides a year — reached the crucial juncture when MAGA pols no longer deny the relationship between permissive gun laws and all those bullet-riddled bodies.

When it comes to firearm killings, escalating insurance costs, climate disasters, immigrant labor, polluted waterways, legislative bigotry, the solutions are obvious. Sadly, we’re just not there yet.

Florida hasn’t reached that crucial breakpoint where truth matters more than ideology.

Fred Grimm, a longtime resident of Fort Lauderdale, has worked as a journalist in South Florida since 1976. 
 

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/07/14/maga-propaganda-collides-with-florida-reality-fred-grimm/

A wrongheaded left wing OPINION RAG and you try to pass it off as a SOURCE?

And you wonder why everybody says liberals are such idi0ts.

[CrakHoBarbie]

4 minutes ago, reason10 said:

There are bugs on the windshield of my car here in Florida who would score higher on a college SAT than you, assuming you ever made it out of the third grade.

Sure. And complete more ons such as yourself believe those bugs on the windshield create more pollution than the car the windshield is attached to.

What a f___ing id iot you are.

You fell for the propaganda AGAIN!!!

And your ignorance is willful.

There's plenty of empirical evidence ( and logic) that proves termites DO NOT create more hydrocarbons than man, but you are so ignorant and brain washed and profoundly stupid that you fall for the moronic conspiracy theory every time.

Because you, my dear friend, are just a comically, profoundly stupid, gullible old fool.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.bgc-jena.mpg.de/bgc-systems/pmwiki2/uploads/Site/sanderson_1997.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiH5N_WspOAAxXCLUQIHdBjBKA4ChAWegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw1t2FobogJ-1U_eLcpC9kSV

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289846016_Global_Impact_of_Termites_on_the_Carbon_Cycle_and_Atmospheric_Trace_Gases&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiE9q6hspOAAxUyJ0QIHX80CQUQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw0C9XCFnqdcibOE5g72c4gV

[Rebound]

On 7/15/2023 at 1:15 PM, Zeitgeist said:

There were hurricanes but they didn’t impact people because half of Florida’s current urban development was uninhabited a century ago.  More people means that more of them are impacted by hurricanes and other natural disasters.  

Yes, we realize that the population of Florida was lower 100 years ago, but the frequency of major hurricanes was also lower. 
 

If you look at this thread, it’s the same old pattern with you people:  You’re presented with a FACT which you don’t like. First you try to change the fact, which you can’t do, so then you start to make up or distort the facts, or invent ways to ignore the fact.  
 

But none of that works, because it’s a FACT: Human activity is warming the atmosphere, one of the consequences has been a massive spike in major hurricanes, and now multi-billion dollar insurers are exiting the market.  
 

You guys tried to question whether anybody was in Florida to notice a 300 mile-wide hurricane 100 years ago (answer: Absolutely yes), then suggest that construction costs are higher in Florida than anywhere else, and now you suggest insurers are leaving only because the population is higher.  
 

While there’s some truth in what you’re saying, it doesn’t change the fundamental fact that the frequency of major hurricanes in Florida and the Caribbean has increased tremendously, and the reason is the increased release of CO2 into the atmosphere.  If we don’t address the problem more effectively, large portions Florida may become submerged or else destroyed by ever-higher storm surges in the coming years.  

[reason10]

On 7/14/2023 at 3:07 PM, Deluge said:

Nope. Warming is cyclic. Now go outside and enjoy the weather. 

These idi0ts do not have a life. The climate myth is all they have in their lives.

[reason10]

56 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Yes, we realize that the population of Florida was lower 100 years ago, but the frequency of major hurricanes was also lower. 
 

If you look at this thread, it’s the same old pattern with you people:  You’re presented with a FACT which you don’t like. First you try to change the fact, which you can’t do, so then you start to make up or distort the facts, or invent ways to ignore the fact.  
 

But none of that works, because it’s a FACT: Human activity is warming the atmosphere, one of the consequences has been a massive spike in major hurricanes, and now multi-billion dollar insurers are exiting the market.  
 

You guys tried to question whether anybody was in Florida to notice a 300 mile-wide hurricane 100 years ago (answer: Absolutely yes), then suggest that construction costs are higher in Florida than anywhere else, and now you suggest insurers are leaving only because the population is higher.  
 

While there’s some truth in what you’re saying, it doesn’t change the fundamental fact that the frequency of major hurricanes in Florida and the Caribbean has increased tremendously, and the reason is the increased release of CO2 into the atmosphere.  If we don’t address the problem more effectively, large portions Florida may become submerged or else destroyed by ever-higher storm surges in the coming years.  

You have already lost this argument, ******.

Human activity only accounts for less than a percentage point of ALL GREENHOUSE GASSES.

I have proved it with a reliable source and you are STILL trying to spin it.

You are truly BLUE STATE STUPID.

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

These idi0ts do not have a life. The climate myth is all they have in their lives.

That and their abortion sacraments along with the queer agenda. 

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, Rebound said:

Yes, we realize that the population of Florida was lower 100 years ago, but the frequency of major hurricanes was also lower. 
 

If you look at this thread, it’s the same old pattern with you people:  You’re presented with a FACT which you don’t like. First you try to change the fact, which you can’t do, so then you start to make up or distort the facts, or invent ways to ignore the fact.  
 

But none of that works, because it’s a FACT: Human activity is warming the atmosphere, one of the consequences has been a massive spike in major hurricanes, and now multi-billion dollar insurers are exiting the market.  
 

You guys tried to question whether anybody was in Florida to notice a 300 mile-wide hurricane 100 years ago (answer: Absolutely yes), then suggest that construction costs are higher in Florida than anywhere else, and now you suggest insurers are leaving only because the population is higher.  
 

While there’s some truth in what you’re saying, it doesn’t change the fundamental fact that the frequency of major hurricanes in Florida and the Caribbean has increased tremendously, and the reason is the increased release of CO2 into the atmosphere.  If we don’t address the problem more effectively, large portions Florida may become submerged or else destroyed by ever-higher storm surges in the coming years.  

There hasn’t been much change in the quantity of hurricanes.  You’re still going to freeze your ass off for half the year in Canada.  I keep hoping for it to warm up here, but so far we only had one hot week this summer.  

[Zeitgeist]

8 hours ago, Rebound said:

Yes, we realize that the population of Florida was lower 100 years ago, but the frequency of major hurricanes was also lower. 
 

If you look at this thread, it’s the same old pattern with you people:  You’re presented with a FACT which you don’t like. First you try to change the fact, which you can’t do, so then you start to make up or distort the facts, or invent ways to ignore the fact.  
 

But none of that works, because it’s a FACT: Human activity is warming the atmosphere, one of the consequences has been a massive spike in major hurricanes, and now multi-billion dollar insurers are exiting the market.  
 

You guys tried to question whether anybody was in Florida to notice a 300 mile-wide hurricane 100 years ago (answer: Absolutely yes), then suggest that construction costs are higher in Florida than anywhere else, and now you suggest insurers are leaving only because the population is higher.  
 

While there’s some truth in what you’re saying, it doesn’t change the fundamental fact that the frequency of major hurricanes in Florida and the Caribbean has increased tremendously, and the reason is the increased release of CO2 into the atmosphere.  If we don’t address the problem more effectively, large portions Florida may become submerged or else destroyed by ever-higher storm surges in the coming years.  

The insurance spike happens after every major hurricane, including last year’s. it’s simplistic to over generalize the causes of much of our weather.  Florida has very hot summers and it’s an El Niño year.  What do you propose to do to reduce temperature?  We already have a negative birth rate and promotion of homosexuality and removing sex organs.  It’s liberals who are promoting mass immigration and open borders, the leading cause of human made climate change, obviously.  Might want to rethink that.  

Edited July 17, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Rebound]

18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The insurance spike happens after every major hurricane, including last year’s. it’s simplistic to over generalize the causes of much of our weather.  Florida has very hot summers and it’s an El Niño year.  What do you propose to do to reduce temperature?  We already have a negative birth rate and promotion of homosexuality and removing sex organs.  It’s liberals who are promoting mass immigration and open borders, the leading cause of human made climate change, obviously.  Might want to rethink that.  

What’s simplistic is to refuse to accept the findings of science and then to see climate predictions made two decades ago come true.  
 

All-time high temperatures.  
Massive, unprecedented forest fires.

Increased frequency and power of hurricanes. 
Weather shifts, such as freezing temperatures in Texas.

Melting of Arctic and Antarctic ice.  
 

It’s all there. All of it. The truth is right in front of your nose and you’re in denial. You’re lying to yourself.  You’re an ostrich. 

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

What’s simplistic is to refuse to accept the findings of science and then to see climate predictions made two decades ago come true.  
 

All-time high temperatures.  
Massive, unprecedented forest fires.

Increased frequency and power of hurricanes. 
Weather shifts, such as freezing temperatures in Texas.

Melting of Arctic and Antarctic ice.  
 

It’s all there. All of it. The truth is right in front of your nose and you’re in denial. You’re lying to yourself.  You’re an ostrich. 

I’ve been a climate activist and invested in green power.  I’ve got the letters, articles, and investments to prove it. Climate change is extremely complex and relates to much more than human made greenhouse gases. Learn about the impacts of solar cycles, volcanoes, and cow methane.

All of Canada’s climate action for the past 5 years was rendered redundant by the entry of 1 million immigrants into Canada over the past 12 months.  That’s an inconvenient truth for the left.  Forest mismanagement is likely the leading causes of forest fires. You have to be specific in your analyses of causes and viability of solutions to be taken seriously.  

Edited July 18, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Rebound]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’ve been a climate activist and invested in green power.  I’ve got the letters, articles, and investments to prove it. Climate change is extremely complex and relates to much more than human made greenhouse gases. Learn about the impacts of solar cycles, volcanoes, and cow methane.

All of Canada’s climate action for the past 5 years was rendered redundant by the entry of 1 million immigrants into Canada over the past 12 months.  That’s an inconvenient truth for the left.  Forest mismanagement is likely the leading causes of forest fires. You have to be specific in your analyses of causes and viability of solutions to be taken seriously.  

Solar cycles and volcanoes are part of nature. Cow methane is a human-introduced factor, isn’t it?  After all, cows are human made creatures.  
 

There are many causes of forest fires, but the issue is not that they occur, but they have been occurring in increasingly dry forests, which leads to far greater destruction. 

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Rebound said:

1. There are many causes of forest fires, but the issue is not that they occur, but they have been occurring in increasingly dry forests, which leads to far greater destruction. 

2.  After all, cows are human made creatures.  

 

1. All of this is complicated which is why we defer to experts who are associated with the practice of science via our academic institutions.  " Learn about the impacts of solar cycles, volcanoes, and cow methane." is just bafflegab.  You can go to the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) which is studying this for us.  There is an effectively unanimous consensus that humans are causing the temperatures overall to increase.

If people are skeptical of that, there needs to be an end point to their decisions.

2. I tried to make a cow once but the farmer chased me away.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Solar cycles and volcanoes are part of nature. Cow methane is a human-introduced factor, isn’t it?  After all, cows are human made creatures.  
 

There are many causes of forest fires, but the issue is not that they occur, but they have been occurring in increasingly dry forests, which leads to far greater destruction. 

Again you have to research.  Replanting trees that don’t hold moisture and creating monocultures is likely the main issue.  Forestation is a separate issue from greenhouse gas production, which is what most “climate action” is about.  

Edited July 18, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

37 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. All of this is complicated which is why we defer to experts who are associated with the practice of science via our academic institutions.  " Learn about the impacts of solar cycles, volcanoes, and cow methane." is just bafflegab.  You can go to the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) which is studying this for us.  There is an effectively unanimous consensus that humans are causing the temperatures overall to increase.

If people are skeptical of that, there needs to be an end point to their decisions.

2. I tried to make a cow once but the farmer chased me away.

Going to the IPCC to ask whether human causes are the reason for climate change is like asking Democrats whether voting Republican is a good political choice.  That panel is already sold on a set of beliefs because membership requires pledging allegiance to such beliefs.  I’m not denying that humans cause climate change.  I doubt the ability to discern exactly how, to what extent, and how to ameliorate it.  That requires details, which you simply refuse to provide, instead farming out all comprehension to the IPCC.  It’s lazy.  

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Going to the IPCC to ask whether human causes are the reason for climate change is like asking Democrats whether voting Republican is a good political choice.  That panel is already sold on a set of beliefs because membership requires pledging allegiance to such beliefs.  I’m not denying that humans cause climate change.  I doubt the ability to discern exactly how, to what extent, and how to ameliorate it.  That requires details, which you simply refuse to provide, instead farming out all comprehension to the IPCC.  It’s lazy.  

I wouldn't want to be watching when you took out your own appendix.

[Zeitgeist]

47 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I wouldn't want to be watching when you took out your own appendix.

I bet I know far more about the causes of and solutions for climate change than you do because I’ve fought those battles.  The problem is that you don’t propose solutions that will actually do anything.  Many of the solutions of our current government simply hamstring individuals and businesses financially and offload jobs to China and developing countries.  You need to discuss issues with details, not pretend that you’re somehow on the good side doing good things when you’re really doing f@ck all.  

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I bet I know far more about the causes of and solutions for climate change than you do because I’ve fought those battles.  The problem is that you don’t propose solutions that will actually do anything.  Many of the solutions of our current government simply hamstring individuals and businesses financially and offload jobs to China and developing countries.  You need to discuss issues with details, not pretend that you’re somehow on the good side doing good things when you’re really doing f@ck all.  

Maybe you do, maybe you don't.  I worked in the air quality field for thirty years, the last fifteen in the oil patch, working on CH4 monitoring with a view to reducing emissions.  I have more than a passing interest in the subject.

You're right I don't propose any solutions.  I'm on record on here more than once as stating I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell of stopping climate change.  What is it that you are doing that we should all emulate?   Because if you can show it's going to work, I'm all in.

Of course, if you think the IPCC is full of it, then you probably aren't worth consulting.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Maybe you do, maybe you don't.  I worked in the air quality field for thirty years, the last fifteen in the oil patch, working on CH4 monitoring with a view to reducing emissions.  I have more than a passing interest in the subject.

You're right I don't propose any solutions.  I'm on record on here more than once as stating I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell of stopping climate change.  What is it that you are doing that we should all emulate?   Because if you can show it's going to work, I'm all in.

Of course, if you think the IPCC is full of it, then you probably aren't worth consulting.

I don’t think they’re full of it.  What can they do beyond cause mass hysteria or some ineffective response?  Nothing we’re doing is substantially changing anything.  If we took “bold” action, our lives might not be worth living, and I can’t help but think that’s where this “crisis” could go without sensible actions that don’t impoverish or hurt millions of people.  

Edited July 19, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[reason10]

On 7/17/2023 at 8:58 AM, Rebound said:

Yes, we realize that the population of Florida was lower 100 years ago, but the frequency of major hurricanes was also lower. 
 

If you look at this thread, it’s the same old pattern with you people:  You’re presented with a FACT which you don’t like. First you try to change the fact, which you can’t do, so then you start to make up or distort the facts, or invent ways to ignore the fact.  
 

But none of that works, because it’s a FACT: Human activity is warming the atmosphere, one of the consequences has been a massive spike in major hurricanes, and now multi-billion dollar insurers are exiting the market.  
 

You guys tried to question whether anybody was in Florida to notice a 300 mile-wide hurricane 100 years ago (answer: Absolutely yes), then suggest that construction costs are higher in Florida than anywhere else, and now you suggest insurers are leaving only because the population is higher.  
 

While there’s some truth in what you’re saying, it doesn’t change the fundamental fact that the frequency of major hurricanes in Florida and the Caribbean has increased tremendously, and the reason is the increased release of CO2 into the atmosphere.  If we don’t address the problem more effectively, large portions Florida may become submerged or else destroyed by ever-higher storm surges in the coming years.  

Again, TERMITES put more  CO2 in the atmosphere than ALL human activity.

You're just plain fcking STUPID.

Blue State Stupid.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t think they’re full of it.  What can they do beyond cause mass hysteria or some ineffective response?  Nothing we’re doing is substantially changing anything.  If we took “bold” action, our lives might not be worth living, and I can’t help but think that’s where this “crisis” could go without sensible actions that don’t impoverish or hurt millions of people.  

What sensible actions?  Without a level of worldwide cooperation that is utter fantasy at the moment there is nothing that can be done currently to stop it.  Even if we were able to cease all greenhouse gas emissions tomorrow there would a lag of some thirty years or so before the climate realised we had done so.  That's not the point I was responding to.  You said:

"Going to the IPCC to ask whether human causes are the reason for climate change is like asking Democrats whether voting Republican is a good political choice." 

And told MH he should be providing his own details without reference to the IPCC.  If one wants details about climate change the IPCC is as good a resource as any.

They don't have the answers, though, as no-one does.  All the things that are being done, probably should be done, but they won't make much of a dent. We'll never know where we would have been had they not been done though.

All that is not to say the problem won't eventually be solved.  I bet a lot of people get a lot more miserable before it is though.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Again, TERMITES put more  CO2 in the atmosphere than ALL human activity.

You're just plain fcking STUPID.

Blue State Stupid.

 

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[robosmith]

On 7/15/2023 at 12:00 PM, Deluge said:

Move away from hurricane areas if you can't handle them. 

It's sage advice.

I don't live in "hurricane areas." And I am not STUPID enough to believe if I don't see them, they don't exist, like you do.

Nor that increasing extreme hurricanes are not a strong indicator of climate chance, because they are fueled by HOTTER OCEAN WATER.

On 7/15/2023 at 12:04 PM, Deluge said:

Hurricanes are a natural occurence, nothing more. 

Get over yourself. 

Yes, they ARE "natural." But increasing numbers of MORE dangerous (stronger) hurricanes are a strong indicator of climate change.

[robosmith]

On 7/15/2023 at 12:06 PM, Deluge said:

Florida isn't the only state that sees hurricanes, or are you so bent on the crazy idea that man creates climate catastrophes in Florida that you didn't stop to think about that? 

Man makes hurricanes more powerful by making the HOTTER WATER fuel that strengthens them, whether you understand that relationship or not.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Man makes hurricanes more powerful by making the HOTTER WATER fuel that strengthens them, whether you understand that relationship or not.

At least one man can make them change direction using only a Sharpie!

And people say we have no effect on the climate.