Bringing the administration of justice into disrepute

[I am Groot]

Disrepute: 

noun

 

The state of being held in low esteem by the public.

 

How much esteem is our legal system held by the public these days? Every facet of the legal system seems to be in a mess, but the one that causes the most notice is the criminal justice legal system. It's bad and it's getting worse. And our learned judges don't seem to care much about that. Nor does the government, obviously. Our cities are getting to be more like American cities, plagued by vermin the system runs through a revolving door of injustice and spits out again and again to harm the citizenry with no rhyme or reason. The Liberals' obsession with racial leveling, with diversity and equity garbage has made this infinitely worse because the people who commit the most crimes are the people they feel the most need to protect: blacks and natives. That doesn't mean they actually have any plan or intent to eliminate what causes the black and native communities to commit so much crime, particularly violent crime. Instead, they simply order the legal system to go easy on them wherever possible. Easy bail, slack sentences, easy parole.

 

Until we're left with this guy, who could be the poster boy for the incompetence of the system.

On the same day of the brazen stabbing on Toronto's subway system, the accused, Moses Lewin, was supposed to make an appearance in a Milton, Ont. courtroom to face another string of charges, court staff say — but he didn’t show up

Instead, the court issued him a bench warrant.

Months before, Lewin was supposed to be in court in Toronto on other charges that included illegally possessing an eight-inch fishing knife, and never appeared, documents say. It’s unclear why the Toronto court released Lewin in the first place — he had another outstanding bench warrant after not showing up for further charges in Newmarket, the records show.

These are among several bench warrants, missed appearances, and charges of failure to comply with release orders described in documents obtained by CTV News that have sparked questions about whether various Toronto-area authorities could have done more to hold Moses Lewin in custody before the attack.

“It all suggests the justices of the peace telling him to behave is not worth the paper it’s printed on,” criminal lawyer Ari Goldkind said in an interview.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/alleged-ttc-stabber-dodged-appearances-in-multiple-gta-courts-documents-show-1.6475102

[herbie]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

On the same day of the brazen stabbing on Toronto's subway system, the accused, Moses Lewin, was supposed to make an appearance in a Milton, Ont. courtroom to face another string of charges, court staff say — but he didn’t show up

Instead, the court issued him a bench warrant.

"Instead" they issued a warrant to arrest him and drag him into court? What did you want a dead or alive poster?

[myata]

Pretend democracy, justice system etc. Carefree mindless ride run its course. The entropy working.

Edited July 12, 2023 by myata

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

"Instead" they issued a warrant to arrest him and drag him into court? What did you want a dead or alive poster?

What I would expect is that if someone had already demonstrated they would ignore bail conditions and not show up for court then the next time they were arrested they would not be granted bail.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

What I would expect is that if someone had already demonstrated they would ignore bail conditions and not show up for court then the next time they were arrested they would not be granted bail.

Makes sense to me. Do you think this is a result of left wing in-sensibilities and if so why wasn't Fords right-wing government able to put a halt to things like this?  

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Makes sense to me. Do you think this is a result of left wing in-sensibilities and if so why wasn't Fords right-wing government able to put a halt to things like this?  

It is a direct result of trudeau's bail law and ford doesn't have any control over the criminal code of Canada,

This is one of many dozen examples unfortunately. Violent people with multiple offenses being let out on bail to immediately commit other violent crimes. That's why every premier has been screaming for trudeau to kill that law.  He's promised to " adjust it".  Eventually.  One of these days.

[myata]

Will there be enough space in the prison system not to mention all the PS costs for the influx? Who's thinking here, why?

[myata]

It's just another bureaucratic procedure. Like in Russia, more or less. They wouldn't know or care for the difference (did ever?)

[herbie]

Trudeau's bail law?
A bench warrant is not enough for failing to appear?

We got a few people here doing their best to put the administration of justice into disrepute.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

Trudeau's bail law?

yes - but it's nice to see you've risen your intellectual abilities to that of a parrot.

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A bench warrant is not enough for failing to appear?

No, why would it be when they're out committing violent crimes in the mean time?  If you don't give them bail in the first place then they aren't out there committing violent acts and not showing up for their trials are they

Why did i even have to explain that?

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We got a few people here doing their best to put the administration of justice into disrepute.

Yes. They're called liberals.  they do it by passing laws that get people killed and then trying to talk down the people who point out that their laws are getting people killed .

They're bad people   

[myata]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yes. They're called liberals. 

Wrong. It's the system that does not, in principle and by design have a single independent element, check, control, or oversight. Everybody in it is only a small cog doing what they are told and where the wind of the day is blowing. Democracy? Duty to the society? What is it about? The pens are screeching and the benefits and pensions, dripping. The important stuff.

The carefree ride has run its course. There will be no quick and miraculous fixes.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Wrong. It's the system that does not, in principle and by design have a single independent element, check, control, or oversight. Everybody in it is only a small cog doing what they are told and where the wind of the day is blowing. Democracy? Duty to the society? What is it about? The pens are screeching and the benefits and pensions, dripping. The important stuff.

The carefree ride has run its course. There will be no quick and miraculous fixes.

i think it's possible you misunderstood the joke

[Aristides]

18 hours ago, herbie said:

Trudeau's bail law?
A bench warrant is not enough for failing to appear?

We got a few people here doing their best to put the administration of justice into disrepute.

The Criminal Code is federal, provinces have little say.

It is not enough if someone consistently fails to appear and ignores bench warrants. We act like the parent who threatens consequences for bad behaviour but never makes good on them.

[myata]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

It is not enough if someone consistently fails to appear and ignores bench warrants.

Seriously, this ABC broke the the conditions X times and failed to appear, Y. Do we really need a "judge" for that, with an obscene salary and pension? Wouldn't, forget artificial, a simple transistor do for us a better job and for free too? Why do we keep seeing these cases?

And what works better for bringing the administration into disrepute than repeatedly hearing about such cases?

Edited July 14, 2023 by myata

[I am Groot]

On 7/11/2023 at 9:19 PM, herbie said:

"Instead" they issued a warrant to arrest him and drag him into court? What did you want a dead or alive poster?

Perhaps your reading skills weren't sufficient to take in that before the charges in Milton on which he was released (and a bench warrant was issued) he'd ignored previous charges in two other jurisdictions and skipped bail. So was he given bail AGAIN?

Edited July 14, 2023 by I am Groot

[herbie]

Do you know what a bench warrant even is? You can ignore it all you want, it's an order for the cops to pick you up and drag your ass in front of a judge! Not to give you a ticket and send you back on the street again.

If you're out of the jurisdiction they won't transport you to another province unless it's a serious crime. Then you'll probably just get another failing to appear charge, that affects your final sentencing.

Like WTF do you people want, triple the number of jails. quadruple the budget to haul petty criminals around the country, refuse bail to people because some of them might skip?

You're just gonna have to wait for them to make new rules that abide by the Supreme Court and you must know by now the glacial speed of how govt works. No damn matter who's PM and what party.

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, herbie said:

Do you know what a bench warrant even is? You can ignore it all you want, it's an order for the cops to pick you up and drag your ass in front of a judge! Not to give you a ticket and send you back on the street again.

doesn't do much good if it's ignored and if the judge just lets you back on the street again what's the point.

 

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Like WTF do you people want, triple the number of jails. quadruple the budget to haul petty criminals around the country, refuse bail to people because some of them might skip?

Yeah.  IF that's what it takes to keep bad guys  off the streets .  We're talking about repeat offenders here who've had a chance to correct their behavior.  And VIOLENT ones - who are out there hurting people.

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You're just gonna have to wait for them to make new rules that abide by the Supreme Court and you must know by now the glacial speed of how govt works. No damn matter who's PM and what party.

They've been calling for new rules for over a year now and he hasn't even tabled anythning to start the process.

So what we're REALLY going to have to do is accept that liberals are JUST FINE with killing people as long as they can virtue signal and throw the bastard out as soon as possible and never elect one again.

Then i guess seeing as the libs can't be trusted we defund the cbc and a bunch of social programs and build jails.  Not like the libs give us much in the way of alternate solutions.

[myata]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So what we're REALLY going to have to do is accept that liberals are JUST FINE with killing people as long as they can virtue signal and throw the bastard out as soon as possible and never elect one again.

That wouldn't be possible because we have a great old and venerable duopoly here. Only two for the party at the trough. Good luck figuring this obviously glaring truth out.

[myata]

Here's a brief observation: every time citizens see that governments stop making much sense, it could mean one of two things: a temporary crisis; or permanent exaltation, detachment into its own world far above that of the ordinary folk. It's not that the governments are doing necessary job for the citizens (citizens have the right to be safe in their cities and towns; violent criminals need to be isolated from the society), no past that. It's a shiny abstract principle that is proclaimed and set by the government that the citizens have to accept and comply with. We know how to make you better, and don't even think of questioning it. "We think so you are". How else can one see it?

Edited July 15, 2023 by myata

[I am Groot]

On 7/14/2023 at 4:45 PM, herbie said:

Do you know what a bench warrant even is? You can ignore it all you want, it's an order for the cops to pick you up and drag your ass in front of a judge! Not to give you a ticket and send you back on the street again.

If you're out of the jurisdiction they won't transport you to another province unless it's a serious crime. Then you'll probably just get another failing to appear charge, that affects your final sentencing.

Like WTF do you people want, triple the number of jails. quadruple the budget to haul petty criminals around the country, refuse bail to people because some of them might skip?

You're just gonna have to wait for them to make new rules that abide by the Supreme Court and you must know by now the glacial speed of how govt works. No damn matter who's PM and what party.

And once again, this issue seems clear to everyone but you. The guy was arrested and bailed, and never showed for his court trial. He was arrested again, and bailed anyway, and never showed for that one either. He was arrested again, and bailed again, and clearly had no intention of showing up for that. These were not crimes that occurred vast geographical distances away from each other. They were all in nearby areas of Ontario.

And what we want is for vermin like this to be locked up so society is safe instead of praised, defended, and admired by the Liberal party of Canada and its shallow airhead leaders

[myata]

We need judicial transistors for such cases. Zero cost and 100% effectiveness. What could be the problem with this?