Trumpers Hate Facts

[Deluge]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Are you really ^this dumb?

Trump is NOT being prosecuted under the Presidential Records Act.

I've already POSTED that, and it CLEARLY says government records like those which were demanded Trump return, are THE PROPERTY of the GOVERNMENT.

You're being purposely OBTUSE. AKA, TROLLING.

Your mistake is listening to Trump's BULLSHIT. And his mistake is listening to Tom Fitton. LMAO

I don't care what you've already posted. You're a dumbass, and that means nothing you post matters in the first place. 

Now, there's no penalty under the Presidential Act, and the Espionage Act has never been used against a former president of the United States nor a VP, nor a Secretary of State, yet all three have taken classified documents home prior to Trump. So Donald Trump does the same thing, and all of a sudden it's a national emergency? LOL!

Now listen, stupid. There is ONE reason and ONE reason only as to why Trump is being prosecuted and that is because he is a political opponent to YOUR guy and YOUR party. That is it. Nothing more, nothing less. You can try to spin this any way you want, but the bottom line is that you want Trump off the campaign trail because he's a threat to your party. 

This is a witch hunt. Nothing more. Got it? 

Edited June 19, 2023 by Deluge

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, Aristides said:

That's the happiest I've see Obama look since he was chumming with Farrakhan. 

[reason10]

16 hours ago, Rebound said:

If Donald Trump was a competent President, why didn’t Hillary Clinton get locked up? She didn’t even get charged with a crime.  
 

In fact, the Obama Justice Department investigated Hillary Clinton more than the Trump Justice Department did! 

Because LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP has too much of a soft heart. He should have locked the btch up and thrown the book at her.

[WestCanMan]

On 6/18/2023 at 7:47 AM, Deluge said:

Rebound won't stfu about the election because he knows there is truth in the election rigging claims.

The FBI's malfeasance regarding the various laptop stories is total banana republic stuff.

They had it for a year, couldn't find anything wrong with the Bidens making tens of millions of dollars in partnership with China's central bank, then they lied when they pre-emptively told the Trusted News Initiative cabal that there was Russian disinformation about Hunter coming out, then the "50 former members of the intel community" signed a letter pretending that the laptop was a fraud....

How did all 50 of those guys get that 100% wrong? 

Supposedly these people were America's finest, brightest, and most successful law enforcement officials/spies of the last 30 years, every single one of them felt like they had enough reliable intel about the laptop that they could sign off on an official statement regarding its legitimacy, and yet they were all completely "wrong".... Hmmmm. Were they all tricked? Were they all duped by actual Russian disinformation into thinking that the laptop was Russian disinformation?

Why isn't the MSM just wigging out about the fact that the 'professionals' at the highest level of America's America's intel community were such a collection of incompetents, rubes and buffoons that they were all 100% wrong about a laptop that the FBI had in its hot little hands for a year? 

This isn't some deep, dark mystery, shrouded by layers upon layers of secrecy, pieced together from half-clues and the dubious testimony of shady witnesses, it's something that was sitting in their lap. This is like if Gordon Ramsay, Julia Childs, Emeril, Guy Fieri, Rachel Ray and a bunch of other chefs had a turkey in their fridge for three days and then signed off on a statement saying that was a Black Forest cake, then they got the NYPost kicked off of social media for saying it was a turkey.. 

Jesus Christ, these guys can't open Hunter's laptop in 11 months but somehow they're supposedly staying ahead of the Russian and Chinese spies? God help us. 

Forget about the Keystone Kops, these guys are Dunning Kruger Kops. 

That alone made a farce of the 2020 election. 

Then there was the FBI's own Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot which was timed to hit the fake news circuit on Oct 8th, a month before the election. It wasn't until well after the election that we found out that it was mainly just an entrapment scheme. It was the FBI's own idea to kidnap her, they just found some guys who hated her and then nearly a dozen of the FBI's own agents and plants were involved to keep these guys going along with it.

FACT: The FBI's own kidnapping plot was "miraculously solved" less than a month before the presidential election and then the two main 'conspirators' in the FBI's kidnapping conspiracy were found innocent because a judge determined that the FBI entrapped them.  

The stench of FBI crimes, lies, plots, and theoretical stupidity is all over the 2020 election. They honestly need to be disbanded. "DEFUND THE FBI" needs to be a thing. 

 

Edited June 19, 2023 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

Oh, and regarding "people who hate facts", how many leftards here can address the story of "50 Dunning Kruger Kops who signed a letter saying that the laptop was Russian disinformation"? 

How many can talk about why the FBI "solved" their own kidnapping plot/entrapment scheme and went public with it one month before the 2020 election? 

None of you can talk about it. At the very best you'll go with an ad hominem attack against people who bring these facts to light and then pop your head right back up your ass. 

[Deluge]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Oh, and regarding "people who hate facts", how many leftards here can address the story of "50 Dunning Kruger Kops who signed a letter saying that the laptop was Russian disinformation"? 

How many can talk about why the FBI "solved" their own kidnapping plot/entrapment scheme and went public with it one month before the 2020 election? 

None of you can talk about it. At the very best you'll go with an ad hominem attack against people who bring these facts to light and then pop your head right back up your ass. 

liberal brains are strictly compartmentalized. They only have space for woke propaganda. 

Edited June 19, 2023 by Deluge

[Rebound]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Oh, and regarding "people who hate facts", how many leftards here can address the story of "50 Dunning Kruger Kops who signed a letter saying that the laptop was Russian disinformation"? 

How many can talk about why the FBI "solved" their own kidnapping plot/entrapment scheme and went public with it one month before the 2020 election? 

None of you can talk about it. At the very best you'll go with an ad hominem attack against people who bring these facts to light and then pop your head right back up your ass. 

Why do you think anyone will answer your questions when you use such insulting language? 

[Deluge]

Just now, Rebound said:

Why do you think anyone will answer your questions when you use such insulting language? 

Because the insults are applicable. If you can't take the truth then it's best to go back to your safety spaces. 

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

Because the insults are applicable. If you can't take the truth then it's best to go back to your safety spaces. 

In that case, my answer is fck you.  

Wow, super intelligent discussion!

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

I don't care what you've already posted. You're a dumbass, and that means nothing you post matters in the first place. 

^This is called "cognitive dissonance." Do you know what that means?

It means YOU ARBITRARILY REJECT FACTS which conflict with YOU EXISTING BIASES.

The FACT that you're rejecting here is the CLEARLY WRITTEN documentation of the Presidential Records Act for which YOU HAVE NO REASON to reject.

That makes YOU the IGNORANT DUMBASS.

 

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

Now, there's no penalty under the Presidential Act, and the Espionage Act has never been used against a former president of the United States nor a VP, nor a Secretary of State, yet all three have taken classified documents home prior to Trump. So Donald Trump does the same thing, and all of a sudden it's a national emergency? LOL!

^This is a LIE. YOU obviously STILL don't know what happened NOR the differences involved.

You should LISTEN to former AG Bill Barr who IS coming clean about what happened and Trump's CRIMES wrt the classified documents HE STOLE and REFUSED TO RETURN.

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

Now listen, stupid. There is ONE reason and ONE reason only as to why Trump is being prosecuted and that is because he is a political opponent to YOUR guy and YOUR party. That is it. Nothing more, nothing less. You can try to spin this any way you want, but the bottom line is that you want Trump off the campaign trail because he's a threat to your party. 

This is a witch hunt. Nothing more. Got it? 

I "got" that you ONLY listen to the LIES told on FOS. Dumbass x 2.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The FBI's malfeasance regarding the various laptop stories is total banana republic stuff.

They had it for a year, couldn't find anything wrong with the Bidens making tens of millions of dollars in partnership with China's central bank, then they lied when they pre-emptively told the Trusted News Initiative cabal that there was Russian disinformation about Hunter coming out, then the "50 former members of the intel community" signed a letter pretending that the laptop was a fraud....

How did all 50 of those guys get that 100% wrong? 

Supposedly these people were America's finest, brightest, and most successful law enforcement officials/spies of the last 30 years, every single one of them felt like they had enough reliable intel about the laptop that they could sign off on an official statement regarding its legitimacy, and yet they were all completely "wrong".... Hmmmm. Were they all tricked? Were they all duped by actual Russian disinformation into thinking that the laptop was Russian disinformation?

Why isn't the MSM just wigging out about the fact that the 'professionals' at the highest level of America's America's intel community were such a collection of incompetents, rubes and buffoons that they were all 100% wrong about a laptop that the FBI had in its hot little hands for a year? 

This isn't some deep, dark mystery, shrouded by layers upon layers of secrecy, pieced together from half-clues and the dubious testimony of shady witnesses, it's something that was sitting in their lap. This is like if Gordon Ramsay, Julia Childs, Emeril, Guy Fieri, Rachel Ray and a bunch of other chefs had a turkey in their fridge for three days and then signed off on a statement saying that was a Black Forest cake, then they got the NYPost kicked off of social media for saying it was a turkey.. 

Jesus Christ, these guys can't open Hunter's laptop in 11 months but somehow they're supposedly staying ahead of the Russian and Chinese spies? God help us. 

Forget about the Keystone Kops, these guys are Dunning Kruger Kops. 

That alone made a farce of the 2020 election. 

Then there was the FBI's own Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot which was timed to hit the fake news circuit on Oct 8th, a month before the election. It wasn't until well after the election that we found out that it was mainly just an entrapment scheme. It was the FBI's own idea to kidnap her, they just found some guys who hated her and then nearly a dozen of the FBI's own agents and plants were involved to keep these guys going along with it.

FACT: The FBI's own kidnapping plot was "miraculously solved" less than a month before the presidential election and then the two main 'conspirators' in the FBI's kidnapping conspiracy were found innocent because a judge determined that the FBI entrapped them.  

The stench of FBI crimes, lies, plots, and theoretical stupidity is all over the 2020 election. They honestly need to be disbanded. "DEFUND THE FBI" needs to be a thing. 

 

OR ^this unsubstantiated VERSION of what happened is BULLSHIT.

But a Canadian statistician whose ONLY source of "news" is FOS LIES, "knows" better than the DoJ and FBI (led by Trump's REPUBLICAN DIRECTOR). You are a HOOT. LMAO 

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Oh, and regarding "people who hate facts", how many leftards here can address the story of "50 Dunning Kruger Kops who signed a letter saying that the laptop was Russian disinformation"? 

How many can talk about why the FBI "solved" their own kidnapping plot/entrapment scheme and went public with it one month before the 2020 election? 

None of you can talk about it. At the very best you'll go with an ad hominem attack against people who bring these facts to light and then pop your head right back up your ass. 

Why should ANYONE talk about the FANTASIES you heard on FOS LIES?

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^This is called "cognitive dissonance." Do you know what that means?

It means YOU ARBITRARILY REJECT FACTS which conflict with YOU EXISTING BIASES.

That's really not what "cognitive dissonance" means.  It's sort of close but no. What you're talking about is tribalism.  If it's 'arbitrary' then it's not cognitive dissonance.

But it's always cute to watch you put your 'phrase of the day" calendar to work  

[robosmith]

Dozens of former intelligence officials sign letter warning Hunter Biden story could be Russian disinformation

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More than 50 former intelligence officials have signed a letter publicly stating their belief that the disclosure of e-mails allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden, son of Democratic nominee Joe Biden, possesses “the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

The letter was provided to POLITICO by Nick Shapiro, a former top aide under CIA director John Brennan, on Monday, the news outlet reported.

The joint statement focused on a trove of documents released last week by the New York Post in an article centered around Hunter Biden’s alleged “secret e-mails.” The article, which was deemed so dubious that Twitter and Facebook limited its distribution, suggested the former vice president was connected with his son’s Ukrainian business dealings.

 

A number of outlets, among them the New York Times and the Washington Post, could not independently verify the authenticity of the data in the article. The New York Post reported that the photos and documents were obtained from the hard drive of a laptop — alleged to be Hunter Biden’s — given to them by President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.

Giuliani, according to the New York Post, was given the hard drive from a computer repair shop owner in Delaware, who said he had alerted authorities

More than 50 former intelligence officials have signed a letter publicly stating their belief that the disclosure of e-mails allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden, son of Democratic nominee Joe Biden, possesses “the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

The letter was provided to POLITICO by Nick Shapiro, a former top aide under CIA director John Brennan, on Monday, the news outlet reported.

The joint statement focused on a trove of documents released last week by the New York Post in an article centered around Hunter Biden’s alleged “secret e-mails.” The article, which was deemed so dubious that Twitter and Facebook limited its distribution, suggested the former vice president was connected with his son’s Ukrainian business dealings.

 

But in the letter, signed by those including former Trump administration officials, the authors said they were “deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.”

Though they did not provide new evidence, the authors stated that they had “devoted significant portions” of their lives to national security and that they see “Russia as one of our nation’s top adversaries.” Most importantly, the signatories said, they believe that American citizens “should determine the outcome of elections, not foreign governments.”

“It is for all these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the US political scene of e-mails purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden’s son Hunter, much of it related to his time serving on the Board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation,” the letter states.

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The former intelligence officials emphasized that they do not know if the e-mails described in the New York Post are genuine, nor do they have explicit evidence of Russian involvement.

But they outlined a number of factors that awakened their suspicions. For one, they argue that such an operation would be in line with Russian objectives highlighted by the United Stated Intelligence Community — namely to create “political chaos” in the nation and deepen divisions, but also to “undermine the candidacy” of Biden.

“For the Russians at this point, with Trump down in the polls, there is incentive for Moscow to pull out the stops to do anything possible to help Trump win and/or to weaken Biden should he win,” the letter states.

Further, the operation would be on par with methods Russia has previously used in “its now multi-year operation to interfere in our democracy,” the letter states, such as hacking and information dumping — including the distribution of misinformation.

The officials noted that Russia used such methods during the 2016 presidential election.

In outlining their belief, the officials also said such a misinformation campaign is consistent with reports that Russians targeted Burisma last year and gained access to its e-mails.

 

The signatories also cited media reports as supporting their view that “the Russians are involved in the Hunter Biden e-mail issue,” specifically an article from the Washington Post on Giuliani being a target of an influence operation by Russian intelligence, and reports that federal authorities are investigating the matter.

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe said Monday that e-mails purporting to show the business dealings of Hunter Biden are “not part of some Russian disinformation campaign,” though the Trump appointee said he knew “little” about the issue.

News outlets have reported, however, that the FBI is conducting an investigation to determine whether the e-mail release was linked to a foreign influence operation.

The New York Times reported this weekend that the New York Post article was primarily written by a staff reporter, Bruce Golding, but that he refused to put his name on it due to “concerns over the article’s credibility.”

Giuliani said he chose to approach the Post because “either nobody else would take it, or if they took it, they would spend all the time they could to try to contradict it before they put it out,” the Times reported.

 

IOW, other sources would TRY to verify the story BEFORE publishing it, when NYP REFUSED to provide the ACTUAL contrents of the hard drive. And the chain of custody of the "evidence" is UNKNOWN since Giuliani was the SOURCE.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That's really not what "cognitive dissonance" means.  It's sort of close but no. What you're talking about is tribalism.  If it's 'arbitrary' then it's not cognitive dissonance.

But it's always cute to watch you put your 'phrase of the day" calendar to work  

IN REALITY it IS one of the 5 definitions of cognitive dissonance. Yes, there ARE others.

Cognitive Dissonance | Introduction to Psychology

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What are the 5 types of cognitive dissonance?

 

There are five primary types of cognitive dissonance: post-decisional dissonance, dissonance from wanting something we can't have, dissonance due to inconsistency between attitude and behavior, dissonance due to inadequate justification, and dissonance due to inconsistency between commitment and information. People invested in a given perspective shall—when confronted with contrary evidence—expend great effort to justify retaining the challenged perspective.

^Here "commitment" means pre-existing BIAS, so SUCK ON IT.

Edited June 19, 2023 by robosmith

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

IN REALITY it IS one of the 5 definitions of cognitive dissonance. Yes, there ARE others.

 

Uhhh - that link you posted to? Yeah ... that says you're wrong     ROFLMAO!!!!  Lets take a look

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and dissonance due to inconsistency between commitment and information.

That means they were unable to reject the information. Not that they arbitrarily rejected it.  It's a reconcilliation issue - not a rejection issue. It's the emotional pain felt when you CAN'T resolve the disparity  

If you reject facts because they disagree with your world view - that's not dissonance That's denial or tribalism depending on the circumstances. 

As i said - it's not an arbitrary choice   It's more like when you can't choose 

So - first you use the word wrong -  THEN you double down and insist you're using it correctly when you're still wrong, 

THEN you post PROOF you were wrong   LOLOL    

Ahhh robogoof - you're always good for a laugh   Honestly you make me chuckle

 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Uhhh - that link you posted to? Yeah ... that says you're wrong     ROFLMAO!!!!  Lets take a look

That means they were unable to reject the information. Not that they arbitrarily rejected it.  It's a reconcilliation issue - not a rejection issue. It's the emotional pain felt when you CAN'T resolve the disparity  

If you reject facts because they disagree with your world view - that's not dissonance That's denial or tribalism depending on the circumstances. 

As i said - it's not an arbitrary choice   It's more like when you can't choose 

So - first you use the word wrong -  THEN you double down and insist you're using it correctly when you're still wrong, 

THEN you post PROOF you were wrong   LOLOL    

Ahhh robogoof - you're always good for a laugh   Honestly you make me chuckle

 

You've POSTED NO EVIDENCE to justify ^THIS OPINION.

From MY  LINK:

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Dissonance due to Inconsistency between Commitment and Information

Dissonance due to inconsistency between commitment and information occurs when we commit to a belief, value, or ideal before having all of the information, or new information contradicts the commitment we have made to a belief. The contradiction in belief creates tension.

Exactly what Deluge (and others here) does REPEATEDLY. The rejection is ARBITRARY because NO REASON is given to reject solid sources. It is MERELY CLAIMED.

AKA, YOU'RE WRONG, AGAIN. Duh.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You've POSTED NO EVIDENCE to justify ^THIS OPINION.

I didn't need to -  YOU did. THat's why it's so funny

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You've POSTED NO EVIDENCE to justify ^THIS OPINION.

From MY  LINK:

Yeah - he's got no 'tension'.  There isn't any distress.  He just thinks you're wrong   So - not 'dissonance'.  '

Which is why i noted you can't "arbitrarily decide" to have cognitive dissonance   

LOL - the wonderful thing about you is that when you're wrong, you react like donald duck in the old disney skits -  lots of jumping and quacking and fist waiving but none of it makes sense, ya just mad. 

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Duh.

You're drooling again  

[NYLefty]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Do you like this?

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/06/18/stacey-plaskett-makes-quite-the-freudian-slip-about-what-should-happen-to-trump-n763757?bcid=d482a09ba0aad4bc9357a602e41069b0

I do ?I have no mercy for Nazis and Tyranny. 

[NYLefty]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

In that case, my answer is fck you.  

Wow, super intelligent discussion!

Best not wallow with hogs. It gets you nowhere but dirty. I simply block the knuckle draggers.

Edited June 19, 2023 by NYLefty

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Rebound said:

Why do you think anyone will answer your questions when you use such insulting language? 

Buddy, look at the title of your thread ffs... "Trumpers Hate Facts"? 

FYI that's a total non-starter for polite conversation. 

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

⬆️ Trending

Trump vs Fox News

Trump took issue with Fox’s broadcasting a poll, saying that the network “will always attempt, as they did in 2016, to only show negatives on MAGA & TRUMP. We’re winning BIG, they don’t like it, the RINOS don’t like it, the Democrats don’t like it but, most of all, the Marxists & Communists don’t like it!”

@robosmith center-left publication: <-- The Hill

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4057251-trump-rips-quinnipiac-fox-news-over-poll/

When the polls are in Trump's favor, they're amazing.

When the polls show Trump failing, they are Fake News.

 

When Trump wins the election, it's a mandate.

When Trump loses the election, it's rigged.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

When Trump loses the election, it's rigged.

I know, right? He weaponized the FBI and conducted a several-years-long show trial to discredit a duly-elected POTUS just because he got his wittow feewings huwted after he lost. 

Oh wait, that was Hillary and the leftard horde. Trump did basically nothing by comparison. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I know, right? He weaponized the FBI and conducted a several-years-long show trial to discredit a duly-elected POTUS just because he got his wittow feewings huwted after he lost. 

Oh wait, that was Hillary and the leftard horde. Trump did basically nothing by comparison. 

Nope. That was Trump's DoJ. Hillary had NO POWER to do what YOU ALLEGE after she "lost."

You keep twisting the FACTS like a pretzel to serve YOUR AGENDA, as USUAL. 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Nope. That was Trump's DoJ. Hillary had NO POWER to do what YOU ALLEGE after she "lost."

 

Of course she did.  Her campaign and the dems paid for the steel dossier which formed the basis for the investigation in the first place ,and that's just the start.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html

Sorry kiddo - you're wrong again  But hey - at least you're consistent!   

[Deluge]

On 6/19/2023 at 12:00 PM, Rebound said:

In that case, my answer is fck you.  

Wow, super intelligent discussion!

You mean "fck the truth!".