US Gun Deaths Hit Record High of Nearly 49,000 in 2021

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, Aristides said:

Like I said,

When what you said was stupid it's generally not worth reiterating. 

You're welcome.

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you don't want people to die, you just don't give a shit.

1) Do you understand the difference between "suicide" and "murder" jackass? Most of those 49K people would have died of prescription drug overdoses or something else if they didn't use a gun. 

2) Leftards need to stop quoting the gun death figure and implying that it's all from "AR-15 MASSACRES!!!!"

3) Leftards need to start taking violent crime seriously:

• they need to stop letting violent psychos out of prison to reoffend
• they need to support policing that aggressively deters gun violence

 

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Your id1otic bullsh1t  is the made-up claim that liberals only care about ARs and not handguns, genius 

Like I said, you won't cite the % of those "gun deaths" that come from AR-15 murders each year because it destroys your false narrative.

Why do you have another false narrative out there to be destroyed now you greasy little worm?

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You also don’t grasp that assault weapons like ARs are still disproportionately used in mass killings  and are increasingly the weapon of choice in mass killings, having gone from being used in 20% of mass shootings in the 1980s to 67% today. 

You don't grasp that people who are interested in committing mass killings can choose other, more effective methods if they want to. 

Truck killings rack up huge numbers. The biggest attack ever in the US was done with a makeshift bomb. There's a really good chance that Fauci's virus killed millions of Americans (by covidjit stats).

Medical mistakes kill over 200,000 Americans a year. I've even seem an estimate from Johns Hopkins that said it could even be over 400K. Even if it's just 200,000 that's like if 4 Boeing 737s crashed every day. It's like a Vegas or Pulse shooting happening 6 times every day. 

There are way less than 400 Americans killed every year by AR-15s. Drunk drivers kill about 11,000 people a year. Over 30x as many as AR-15s. 

Opioids kill over 100,000 Americans every year - that's 250x as many people as AR-15s (that's if all 400 rifle murders a year were from ARs but they're not. It's probably less than 200). 

You lack proper perspective because you're unintelligent and highly credulous, and it's weird that you have this agenda where you have to lie all the time. Aren't you even a little but curious to see what it would feel like to just be honest and straightforward for one day in your life? 

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

Well the US does have the highest gun suicide rate in the world. 7.1 per 100K pop. The next highest is Uruguay at  4.7  per 100K. Canada 1.47 per 100K

Firearms homicide rate US 4.0 per 100K pop. Canada 0.5 per 100K

Homicide rate in general US 6.8 per 100K. Canada 2.1 per 100K

Still can't see a pattern? 

Of course I can see a pattern - you're still being a 4king weasel. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

1) The US is about 18th in homicides per 100K per year. El Salvador has almost 80 per 100K. That's 20x as high as the US. 

2) In rural areas, where there are exponentially more rifles per capita than in urban areas, there are far less murders per 100K (less than 2, and that's all types of homicide, not just firearm homicides):

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In small cities and in rural counties, homicide claims only 5 victims per 100,000, and fewer than 2 per 100,000 in our most rural states (Federal Bureau of Investigation). This pattern also occurs for robbery and assault; they are much more common in large urban areas than elsewhere.

 

Are Crime Rates Higher In Urban Areas? - Law Library - JRank

Why is it that in the rural areas, where there is a far higher concentration of rifles, there are also way less murders per 100K, Spanky? Shouldn't the rural areas be a huge bloodbath, considering the higher number of rifles per 100K?

If your stats aren't completely bogus then rural areas should sound like Viet Nam circa 1966 but they don't. And do you know why they don't? Of course not. 

Edited July 17, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Aristides]

47 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

When what you said was stupid it's generally not worth reiterating. 

You're welcome.

1) Do you understand the difference between "suicide" and "murder" jackass? Most of those 49K people would have died of prescription drug overdoses or something else if they didn't use a gun. 

2) Leftards need to stop quoting the gun death figure and implying that it's all from "AR-15 MASSACRES!!!!"

3) Leftards need to start taking violent crime seriously:

• they need to stop letting violent psychos out of prison to reoffend
• they need to support policing that aggressively deters gun violence

 

US suicide rate is 46% higher than Canada.

US has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Maybe stop giving psychos access to firearms.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No you’re being dishonest. Your original comment was about parents supposedly being admonished for not taking kids to drag queen story time (and presumably other pride events). That is not a thing happens.  

Sure it is. And if you even raise the slightest concern about the event you're REALLY dog-piled on.  I think we both know that. There's no point in pretending.

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Now you’re talking about kids skipping school assemblies which is something totally different than your original point.

No, i'm talking about kids having to stay home to avoid actual pride events, which is entirely the point.  So lets stop with the dishonest bullshit of pretending it's just "school assemblies".

But hey -  if you say NONE of this stuff is happening ... then you won't mind a law forbidding it would you? I mean - if you are so sure its 'not a thing then you won't have any objection to a law which forbids any such behavior right? Any teacher or school that in any way makes a student feel less accepted because they didn't participate in something like that should be punished right? And no school should be compelled to provide "pride" celebrations if the students and parents don't want it, right?

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Your suggestion that were no rifts before is ridiculous

It's 100 percent true. Any two groups will have the occasional disagreement but the debate was over after gay marriage.  The rules were set, the boundaries accepted and it was agreed to keep the gov't out of the nations' bedrooms.

But - apperently that's not good enough.  Now if we don't let them waive their penises at children we're not 'being 'inclusive' and if we DAAAARE refuse to participate in pride events or question if trans people really belong in women's sports we're evil deplorables.

You're full of shit and always have been. ANd that kind of bullcrap isn't going to fly with people.

I had no problem fighting for gay rights back in the day when they ACTUALLY didn't have any.  You think i'm going to have a problem fighting for straight rights? Or that parents aren't going to fight for their children? Or that there isn't going to be a huge backlash against this? 

OR that it's not already started?

Lies won't solve the problem here.

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure it is.

BS. Prove it. And not with stories unread to your claim like kids skipping school. You said parents who don’t take their kids to drag story time get persecuted. Total BS. 

 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, i'm talking about kids having to stay home to avoid actual pride events, which is entirely the point.  So lets stop with the dishonest bullshit of pretending it's just "school assemblies".

But hey -  if you say NONE of this stuff is happening ... then you won't mind a law forbidding it would you? I mean - if you are so sure its 'not a thing then you won't have any objection to a law which forbids any such behavior right? Any teacher or school that in any way makes a student feel less accepted because they didn't participate in something like that should be punished right? And no school should be compelled to provide "pride" celebrations if the students and parents don't want it, right?

A school pride event is a school assembly. What the hell are you talking about. They also have to stay home to avoid remembrance day events whats the dif?  Do you think those should also be optional?  Id be ok of all schools events and assemblies were optional but that’s not something that ever existed  

 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's 100 percent true. Any two groups will have the occasional disagreement but the debate was over after gay marriage.  The rules were set, the boundaries accepted and it was agreed to keep the gov't out of the nations' bedrooms.

Nope you’ve just been oblivious until recently  The conservative jihad against gays which still going on in the US was anything but civil or dignified. I don’t go tonprise events and nobody has ever accused me of being a homophobe  school pride eves don’t involve anyone waving penises and I think often don’t even involve any actual LGBTQ people. The school raises a flag,  the principal gives a speech about inclusiveness, the kids do some art with rainbows on it and maybe the teacher reads a story about a kid with 2 dads  As usual your hysteria and dishonesty define you   

 

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Like I said, you won't cite the % of those "gun deaths" that come from AR-15 murders each year because it destroys your false narrative.

Why do you have another false narrative out there to be destroyed now you greasy little worm?

What false narrative the one you invented in your deranged head?  I don’t have any narrative about AR-15s, dumbass
 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You don't grasp that people who are interested in committing mass killings can choose other, more effective methods if they want to. 

Yea that must be why police and the military don’t have any firearms, because they’re not effective ?

 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There's a really good chance that Fauci's virus killed millions of Americans (by covidjit stats).

 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You lack proper perspective because you're unintelligent and highly credulous,

Says the high school dropout who gets his information from strangers on social media. Lmao. “ots of people die from accidents therefore mass murders don’t matter “ says WCM the village id1ot. 
 

Hilarious 

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Aristides said:

US suicide rate is 46% higher than Canada.

So? That's not the fault of guns. We could all guess about the reasons for the high suicide rate all day but guns aren't to blame for people choosing to kill themselves.

What do you think people do?

"Geez, I'm so bored. I wonder what would happen if I put that shotgun in my mouth and puled the trigger..."

We're not all leftists.

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US has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Maybe stop giving psychos access to firearms.

All gun crimes? ?

Maybe stop telling black children that the cops wanna kill them and no one will give them a job. 

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

So? That's not the fault of guns. We could all guess about the reasons for the high suicide rate all day but guns aren't to blame for people choosing to kill themselves.

What do you think people do?

"Geez, I'm so bored. I wonder what would happen if I put that shotgun in my mouth and puled the trigger..."

We're not all leftists.

All gun crimes? ?

 

Hell of a lot easier to stick a gun in your mouth and die with 100% certainty than almost any other way of trying to commit suicide. 

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Maybe stop telling black children that the cops wanna kill them and no one will give them a job. 

Maybe stop giving them easy access to guns.

Stop whining about letting psychos out of jail when the US has a larger percentage of its population in jail than any other country on the planet. 

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

What false narrative the one you invented in your deranged head?  I don’t have any narrative about AR-15s, dumbass

When leftists say "guns" they mean AR-15s. They wanna go after legal gun owners with guns that kill less people than knives, blunt instruments, etc, not street thugs with handguns. 

If you don't want to be accused of lying then make more accurate thread titles and comments. Your commentary is always incredibly misleading and "incorrect" in support of leftard biases...

When I cite covid death stats I use "the number of people who died of covid according to Health Canada", and "their vax status according to Health Canada", not just "all the people who died of all manner of sicknesses with all manner of vaccinations, including vaxes for things they didn't die of." 

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Yea that must be why police and the military don’t have any firearms, because they’re not effective ?

Firearms project power over a fairly long distance with a lot of accuracy. That's why police and military use them.

Does the military not use bombs anymore? Do bombs kill more slowly than guns? 

What killed more people Beave, Fat Man and Little Boy in 2 seconds, or Audie Murphy's rifle over the course of the whole second world war?

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Hilarious 

Wow. I knew that you were living in denial but I never guessed it was that bad.

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Says the high school dropout who gets his information from strangers on social media. Lmao. “ots of people die from accidents therefore mass murders don’t matter “ says WCM the village id1ot. 

Buddy, the only thing here that indicates I'm stupid is your comments, but your own comments prove that you're stupid. 

This isn't working out the way you want it to, idjit. 

[Deluge]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

1. Hell of a lot easier to stick a gun in your mouth and die with 100% certainty than almost any other way of trying to commit suicide. 

2. Maybe stop giving them easy access to guns.

3. Stop whining about letting psychos out of jail when the US has a larger percentage of its population in jail than any other country on the planet. 

1. It's also a hell of a lot easier (and more effective) to stop an intruder with a gun. It goes both ways, my friend, and I'll take the most effective form of self defense. 

2. You don't stop anything when it comes to gun sales. You just punish the violent criminals. 

3. So you're saying we should let violent criminals out of jail so the good citizens of the country can put them out of everyone's misery? I LOVE THAT IDEA!!! 

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Hell of a lot easier to stick a gun in your mouth and die with 100% certainty than almost any other way of trying to commit suicide. 

Yup.

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Maybe stop giving them easy access to guns.

Stop whining about letting psychos out of jail when the US has a larger percentage of its population in jail than any other country on the planet. 

The psychos should stay in jail, period, and the US needs to think about why so many people there need to be jailed in the first place. 

I can promise you that telling little black kids that the cops wanna kill them and they can never get a job is really bad for their mental health. If they believe the Dems then maybe committing to a life of crime is reasonable. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Hell of a lot easier to stick a gun in your mouth and die with 100% certainty than almost any other way of trying to commit suicide. 

Actually fun fact - only about 85 percent of attempted suicides by gun  are successful.

Now- that is a far better "success rate" than the more common suicide method of 'overdose', which is used far far more often than guns, but it's often thought that many overdose 'attempts' aren't that serious and are really a cry for help.  People try to overdose on asprin for god's sake - that's not taking it seriously    People who aren't committed to killinlg themselves will choose a less successful method.

Anogst females successful suicide happens with guns, poisoning and suffocation (hanging etc) about eqaually.

Then there is the perverse idea that somehow if people DIDN'T have a gun, they woulnd't bother killing themselves.   Like "gosh - i really feel like killing myself but if i have to go through all the hassle of getting a rope instead of just using a gun then i won't bother".

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Actually fun fact - only about 85 percent of attempted suicides by gun  are successful.

Now- that is a far better "success rate" than the more common suicide method of 'overdose', which is used far far more often than guns, but it's often thought that many overdose 'attempts' aren't that serious and are really a cry for help.  People try to overdose on asprin for god's sake - that's not taking it seriously    People who aren't committed to killinlg themselves will choose a less successful method.

Anogst females successful suicide happens with guns, poisoning and suffocation (hanging etc) about eqaually.

Then there is the perverse idea that somehow if people DIDN'T have a gun, they woulnd't bother killing themselves.   Like "gosh - i really feel like killing myself but if i have to go through all the hassle of getting a rope instead of just using a gun then i won't bother".

 

Shotguns have a greater success rate than 85%, I think.  And the close to 100% rate with a 12 gauge does lower the average for handguns. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Shotguns have a greater success rate than 85%, I think. 

I don't know that anyone's broken it down that far.

3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

And the close to 100% rate with a 12 gauge does lower the average for handguns. 

Logically. 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I don't know that anyone's broken it down that far.

Logically. 

I do remember reading it somewhere.

After the 21/22 Ashes, I think it was.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I do remember reading it somewhere.

After the 21/22 Ashes, I think it was.

Well in practical terms within their effective range and assuming appropriate ammo shotguns tend to be the most lethal of all shoulder fired firearms. So it's believable.

So we don't need to ban ar's, we need to ban duck guns  

At the end of the day, there's really no correlation though.   Japan has a much higher suicide rate than canada, and a tiny tiny fraction of the firearms ownership.  It's really a null issue.  If someone actually wants to die they'll kill themselves successfully.  If they don't they'll choose a method less likely to succeed.

 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Shotguns have a greater success rate than 85%, I think.  And the close to 100% rate with a 12 gauge does lower the average for handguns. 

I really feel sorry for the people who tried to kill themselves with a 12 gauge and screwed up. Jesus Christ. 

[Nationalist]

On 6/12/2023 at 11:56 PM, CdnFox said:

Truthout org    Nuff said

Most of the facts are wrong or unsupported.  Example - "highest death rate by assaults' which they don't back up and then claim it's because of guns, which they don't have any data for.

Why even post this tripe. You might as well post crap from the 'white nationalist.org'  showing why crime is all black people's fault'.   Yeash.

Hey...I'm a nationalist and white...

And I wear it well dammit.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I really feel sorry for the people who tried to kill themselves with a 12 gauge and screwed up. Jesus Christ. 

They flinched...

[Nationalist]

On 6/12/2023 at 10:25 PM, BeaverFever said:

Gun Deaths Hit Record High of Nearly 49,000 in 2021

Firearms were the leading cause of death for children in 2021, surpassing COVID deaths. 

 

New research based on the latest publicly available data from the Center for Disease Control (CDC) and Prevention finds that 2021 was a record year for gun deaths in the U.S., with deaths hitting a record high for the second year in a row. 

The report by Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence Solutions finds that 48,830 people died due to firearm-related causes in 2021, the highest number on record. This is just over 3,600 more gun deaths than in 2020, and works out to one gun death every 11 minutes.
 

…And, even though 2021 was the deadliest year in U.S. history due to the COVID-19 pandemic, gun deaths among young people still outnumbered COVID deaths. Gun violence was the leading cause of death for those aged between 1 and 19, accounting for 20 percent of deaths among that group.

 

…The data also showed a correlation between gun violence and state laws, with more gun violence occurring in places with looser gun laws. People in Mississippi, the state with the highest rate of gun violence (as well as the highest rate of poverty in the U.S.), were 10 times more likely to die due to gun violence than someone in Massachusetts, which has the lowest rate of gun violence in the U.S. Anti-gun violence group Everytown for Gun Safety has ranked Massachusetts as having among the strongest gun laws, while Mississippi is ranked the worst for gun regulation.

“Our country is breaking records for all the wrong reasons — record gun sales combined with increasingly permissive gun laws are making gun violence a pervasive part of life in our country, leading to a sharp increase in gun deaths,” Ari Davis, the lead author of the report, said in a statement. “Perhaps most troubling is these spikes in homicides and suicides are almost entirely connected to guns.”

Davis further linked the violence with gun purchasing in an interview with NPR, saying that the increase in gun violence is likely related to increases in gun purchases and bills passed by Republicans to weaken gun regulations in recent years. 

“Guns are driving this increase,” Davis said. He added that CDC’s provisional data for the first nine months of 2022 is showing about the same rate of gun deaths as 2021.

The data corroborates other research finding that gun violence is on the rise. According to a report by The Washington Post in February, 2022 was the worst year for school shootings on record, with 46 shootings at K-12 schools. And an analysisfrom Pew Research Center this April found that, between 2019 and 2021, the number of children under 19 dying from gun-related causes increased by nearly 50 percent, the largest increase in child gun deaths since 1999, when the CDC first began collecting such data.

The research demonstrates the extent to which the gun violence crisis is worsening while Republicans are doubling down on efforts to increase gun ownership, ignoring polls finding that the majority of the public wants action to curb, rather than expand, the gun violence epidemic.

By a longshot, the U.S. is a global outlier on gun violence. Among wealthy countries, the U.S. has by far the highest rate of deaths by assault, as well as high rates of suicide, due in large part to gun violence, a report by the Commonwealth Fund found earlier this year. 

 

https://truthout.org/articles/gun-deaths-hit-record-high-of-nearly-49000-in-2021/

Ok Beave...here's the thing...and I know you're-gonna love this...

Stop allowing that to go on...and on...and on. Then you will see the gun violence rate plummet. 

Whew...that took all of 1 minute to solve.

You're welcome.

[WestCanMan]

Just now, bcsapper said:

They flinched...

IMO gun suicide is a really selfish way to do it because it's just a huge mess for whoever finds them. Especially with a shotgun.

My brother-in-law is a firefighter in a rural area and they respond to those kinds of calls. The mess is outrageous, as in "dripping from the ceiling" kinda gross. 

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Hey...I'm a nationalist and white...

Well you don't get a say then   LOLOL

[Nationalist]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well you don't get a say then   LOLOL

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I really feel sorry for the people who tried to kill themselves with a 12 gauge and screwed up. Jesus Christ. 

Worked for Hemingway.