Is our Canada a better place since 2015 . . . ?

[Nefarious Banana]

As the title suggests . . . a lot of Canadian citizens are not happy with the present Trudeau government. That said, not every policy can be completely wrong for some/every segment of the Canadian population.  What, if anything has Trudeau done to make Canada better?  Has he served the Canadian citizens as well as he's served himself?   Shirley there must be something . . .        

[CdnFox]

That depends.  What are your feelings on dumpster fires?

[eyeball]

43 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What, if anything has Trudeau done to make Canada better? 

The same thing he did everytime this question comes up - he wasn't Donald Trump. That's all he had to do and he did it well.

1000's of Canadian lives were saved when Trudeau didn't feed the flood of misinformation that caused people to doubt vaccines, eschew pandemic measures and encourage people to explore so-called treatments for COVID.

[Guest]

Trudeau couldn't have prevented covid, nor prevented damage from it.

I think any leader would have struggled during such unprecedented times.

Where I feel we are worst off, is Trudeau's deliberate divisiveness. 

I have never seen a more divided country in my entire life.

Things are slowly getting back to normal, but I don't think there ever will be a fully normal ever again.

I see a nation that has only up to go. The current leadership isn't the right one for that task.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The same thing he did everytime this question comes up - he wasn't Donald Trump. That's all he had to do and he did it well.

So nothing.

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1000's of Canadian lives were saved when Trudeau didn't feed the flood of misinformation that caused people to doubt vaccines, eschew pandemic measures and encourage people to explore so-called treatments for COVID.

Not a one was saved. But some were lost when he gave a chinese company millions to produce a vaccine and then china ran off with the result without giving us any - which caused a months long delay in our receiving any from anywhere else.

But hey - who cares if he killed a few thousand people, he's not trump!

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So nothing.

Far from it.

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How vaccine misinformation made the COVID-19 death toll worse

As the U.S. nears one million deaths from COVID-19, analysis finds nearly a third of those deaths could have been prevented — if people had been vaccinated.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/16/1099070400/how-vaccine-misinformation-made-the-covid-19-death-toll-worse

Trump went out of his way to sow misinformation and contempt for experts. Trudeau did the opposite by standing aside and letting the experts effectively take the lead.

 

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Not a one was saved. But some were lost when he gave a chinese company millions to produce a vaccine and then china ran off with the result without giving us any - which caused a months long delay in our receiving any from anywhere else.

But hey - who cares if he killed a few thousand people, he's not trump!

 

I might care if you had an analysis and report that ties these deaths and delays together the way you have along with something that also establishes how Trudeau is responsible for China's behaviour.

But you've got squat.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Trudeau couldn't have prevented covid, nor prevented damage from it.

Trudeau could have easily made it far worse by being a blowhard know-it-all.

As it was being right next door to a country run by one is probably what contributed most to the misinformation that killed thousands of Canadians.

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COVID misinformation may have caused thousands of deaths in Canada: report

The estimates are conservative because they don’t capture all  the 'flow-on consequences' of misinformation, such as postponed surgeries, the authors say

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/covid-misinformation-thousands-of-deaths-report

 

 

Edited May 18, 2023 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Trudeau could have easily made it far worse by being a blowhard know-it-all.

He did make it far worse by being a blow hard know it all.  Remember when closing our borders before it infected us was racist? Pepperidge farms remembers   

And how it was actually DANGEROUS to wear a mask? So he sent all ours to the chinese.

And how he failed to get us vaccine in a timely fashion?

And how he ripped families apart by weaponizing the issue to try to win an election?

Do you need more? Is that enough?

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

As it was being right next door to a country run by one is probably what contributed most to the misinformation that killed thousands of Canadians.

Yes - biden's attitudes probably cost lives. You're right.

But i'd say Andrew Cuomo cost a lot more by sending people back to the old age homes when they were infected and then  lying about it to cover it up.

[Nefarious Banana]

For most of the folks in my circle, Trudeau with his weekly dose of drama, disinterest, deepening debt, and deception has brought about a critical appraisement of politicians that have been elected to serve us. The 'oh well' attitude has vanished with my friends.

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

For most of the folks in my circle, Trudeau with his weekly dose of drama, disinterest, deepening debt, and deception has brought about a critical appraisement of politicians that have been elected to serve us. The 'oh well' attitude has vanished with my friends.

Well at least we can file that under 'silver lining'. An engaged electorate is an effective one.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

For most of the folks in my circle, Trudeau with his weekly dose of drama, disinterest, deepening debt, and deception has brought about a critical appraisement of politicians that have been elected to serve us. The 'oh well' attitude has vanished with my friends.

If anything it was Trudeau that made me flip as a lifetime Liberal, to embracing Conservative values as completely dissilusioned by the party I used to always back.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And how he ripped families apart by weaponizing the issue to try to win an election?

I still remember seeing so many families disown individuals almost, over the contentious mask issue.

I went to Hong Kong during the outbreak, and felt more relaxed there than in Canada. Thats saying something.

My mental health, my questioning my government were now views I had to silence. 

Craziest for me, was just how purely venomous that Canadians had become to one another.

People demanded to know your vaccine status, as an almost test of your character, vs the personal choice that it was.

Ironically, it was communities like the black community and aboriginal community that had among the highest rate of people who were unsure about the vaccine. 

Trudeau deliberately used the convoy to equate such people with inbred, racist types. 

Of course he couldn't morally grand stand on minorities, so he picked on the easy target. A group that went against his political views.

[ExFlyer]

8 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

For most of the folks in my circle, Trudeau with his weekly dose of drama, disinterest, deepening debt, and deception has brought about a critical appraisement of politicians that have been elected to serve us. The 'oh well' attitude has vanished with my friends.

Over all, political partisanship aside, Canada is a much better place to day than before. Canada just gets better. People form all over the world want to come here. Of course, those that are politically dissatisfied want to leave. OK, leave...oh wait, you are still here? LOl

I think that when any party is on top for a many years, they all become complacent and abuse their position.

The leader becomes, in their minds, impervious and they rule as they want. This is not just todays liberals and Trudeau but Harper, Chretien, Mulroney and Trudeau Sr also became drunk with power and did what they wanted..

As much as American politics has become a sh*t show (ours seems to be following) the best part of there is they can only be in charge for 2 terms. I think 8 years is plenty and we should adopt that too.

Edited May 18, 2023 by ExFlyer

[Zeitgeist]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

The same thing he did everytime this question comes up - he wasn't Donald Trump. That's all he had to do and he did it well.

1000's of Canadian lives were saved when Trudeau didn't feed the flood of misinformation that caused people to doubt vaccines, eschew pandemic measures and encourage people to explore so-called treatments for COVID.

You mean he saved us by not closing the border temporarily to visitors from China?

[Zeitgeist]

If you like self-righteousness, phoniness, authoritarianism, damaging Canada’s stature both domestically and internationally, overspending, pitting Canadians against each other by offering privileges and money to certain identity groups while insulting others, a botched vaccine procurement, a military in decline, and censorship, then the Trudeau Liberals are something to celebrate.

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

The same thing he did everytime this question comes up - he wasn't Donald Trump. That's all he had to do and he did it well.

Harper wasn't Donald Trump. I think he'd have taken care of things a lot better than Trudeau did during Covid.  He wouldn't have started out trying to rely on China for vaccines, for one thing. Pretty sure he'd have closed down the border faster, and stopped entry from China a lot faster too.

 

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Trudeau could have easily made it far worse by being a blowhard know-it-all.

He DID make it worse by using the vaccines as a wedge issue during the election to gain votes. He made it into a political partisan issue just the same way Trump did.

Edited May 18, 2023 by I am Groot

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Craziest for me, was just how purely venomous that Canadians had become to one another.

This was just unbelievable.  I saw it almost every day -  we have ALWAYS been a nation that comes together during tough times and cares for each other and others as well. But suddenly - you were an EVIL person worthy of doing physical harm to if you were a different vax status than they thought you should be.

Trudeau taught Canadians how to hate one another. And i don't think that's ever going back. And it's spreading to other topics and aspects of life now too. We are a fractured nation.

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

For most of the folks in my circle, Trudeau with his weekly dose of drama, disinterest, deepening debt, and deception has brought about a critical appraisement of politicians that have been elected to serve us. The 'oh well' attitude has vanished with my friends.

Well there's another thing we can thank Trudeau for.

I abandoned this attitude you're talking about decades ago. Good to see more Canadians are finally woking up. Took you long enough.

Now how many more years will it take before you figure out what to do next?

Edited May 18, 2023 by eyeball

[Nefarious Banana]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Well there's another thing we can thank Trudeau for.

I abandoned this attitude you're talking about decades ago. Good to see more Canadians are finally woking up. Took you long enough.

Now how many more years will it take before you figure out what to do next?

Never had the 'oh well' attitude.  Mine is anger and contempt. Starting with Pierre Trudeau.  Before your time?  Probably. 

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Never had the 'oh well' attitude.  Mine is anger and contempt. Starting with Pierre Trudeau.  Before your time?  Probably. 

No I was there, in any case you still haven't got a clue what to do about it other than be angry.

[Nefarious Banana]

37 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No I was there, in any case you still haven't got a clue what to do about it other than be angry.

Says you . . .

[Guest]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But suddenly - you were an EVIL person worthy of doing physical harm to if you were a different vax status than they thought you should be.

Same tactics Trump effectively used. 

I saw it even where I work. A colleague was weary on the vaccine,  so he was outted. Bullying and routine mocking ensued.

Like the lynch mobs on the Simpsons which were viewed as comedy, happening in real life. You get outed, straight vitriol, no questions asked.

My sibling started spewing vitriol towards those who weren't vaxxed. My wife refused to vaccinate, and I was weary due to my heart ailment along with the risk it carries if any clotting occurred (I had a stroke a few years ago).

My concerns were legit. I finally got vaxxed with the vaccine which seemed safest and even then, I mentioned my health ailments to the nurse which automatically made her nervous and ask for advice.

I felt I had to hide this. I would be seen as selfish even though masked up, avoided crowds, etc. I felt like I had just walked into a porn store with a sales coupon, with the level of shame I was told I should feel.

It was my fault this wasn't going away. That very seed Trudeau planted. That if you played along, this would go away. A good leader answers to those who are weary. Not vilify.

Well, here we are years later. Those who speak up are snuffed out. 

I saw the dynamics between my time in China and here and Trudeau was taking a page from their book, where many were afraid of oxygen outside. You know your propaganda is on point, when (fully vaxxed people no less).

Mental health crises were abundant. Trudeau almost boasted suicide rates were steady, and hadn't spiked. 

Okay, pat yourself on the back. O_o

Mental health crisis phone lines were overwhelmed, homelessness exploded in some places well over 600%. Cost of living has become as such, that several of my neighbors had to sell their homes, or move in with family.

How many of us saw LCBOs and Beer stores with massive lineups?

We are seeing the tip of the unintended consequence of what Trudeau has done. 

I know so many people who have health issues now and were healthy then. Even some who committed suicide. 

My wife knows a couple people who divorced, lost everything, and committed suicide.

You can't rebuild with him at the helm. I don't understand how Canada regains the luster it used to have with incompetence running the show.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Same tactics Trump effectively used. 

The similarities between trump and trudeau in MANY areas is shocking.

 

6 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

You can't rebuild with him at the helm.

We cannot.  To be honest - we can't even stop the slide or prevent things from being worse. And i'll guess the next election will bring even more diversionary tactics from him.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The similarities between trump and trudeau in MANY areas is shocking.

Yet they despise each other. 

I have never seen Canada in a worst state in my adult life.

We have always been a country where unity made us strong. We embrace diversity. We have a collective deprecating sense of humor. 

I have never felt hopeless in my life. Trudeau is the first leader who has managed to make me feel this way.

Am "annoyingly optimistic" per my peers. I hate the word impossible. 

I think regaining norm will be impossible.