The Durham Report and The Exposition of The Libbies

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Hilarious thread. The Durham report was a major flop. It’s another example of the Losers losing and then claiming they won, the standard MAGA tactic.  No grand revelations. No deep state conspiracies exposed. No indictments. 
 

All Durham did was document flaws in investigations that were already addressed by Justice Department’s inspirational general Horowitz:

 

 

Just as [Trump’s] and his supporters’ wild and invented claims of election fraud floundered in court (Fox News also agreed to pay a $787.5 million settlement for amplifying lies about Dominion Voting Systems), the political noise surrounding Mr. Durham’s efforts ultimately ran up against reality.

In that sense, it was less that Mr. Durham failed to deliver and more that Attorney General William P. Barr set him up to fail the moment he assigned Mr. Durham to find evidence proving Mr. Trump’s claims about the Russia investigation.

There were real-world flaws with the Russia investigation, especially how the F.B.I. botched applications to wiretap a former Trump campaign adviser. But the Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, found those problems, leaving Mr. Durham with depleted hunting grounds.

Indeed, credit for Mr. Durham’s only courtroom success, a guilty plea by an F.B.I. lawyer who doctored an email during preparations for a wiretap renewal, belongs to Mr. Horowitz, who uncovered the misconduct.

At the same time, Mr. Horowitz kneecapped Mr. Durham’s investigation by finding no evidence that F.B.I. actions were politically motivated. He also concluded that the basis of the Russia inquiry — an Australian diplomat’s tip related to the release of Democratic emails hacked by Russia — was sufficient to open a full investigation.

Before Mr. Horowitz released his December 2019 report, Mr. Durham lobbied him to drop that finding, arguing the F.B.I. should have instead opened a preliminary inquiry. When Mr. Horowitz declined, Mr. Durham issued an extraordinary statement saying he disagreed based on “evidence collected to date” in his inquiry.

But even as Mr. Durham’s report questioned whether the F.B.I. should have opened it as a lower-level investigation, he stopped short of stating that opening a full one violated any rule.

 

 

• Final Report: After four years of investigating the Trump-Russia inquiry, the special counsel John Durham accused the F.B.I. of ignoring mitigating facts, but he did not find evidence of politically motivated misconduct.
• How the Inquiry Unraveled: Interviews with more than a dozen current and former officials showed how Durham’s investigation became roiled by internal dissent over prosecutorial ethics.
• Failing to Deliver: The dysfunctional investigation ended with a whimper that stood in contrast to the countless hours of political furor that spun off from it, our Washington correspondent writes.
• The Right’s Reaction: Despite offering few conclusions, conservative leaders and right-wing outlets say Durham’s report lends credence to their conspiracy theories about the F.B.I.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/17/us/politics/durham-report-trump-russia.html

Are you saying you already knew the legal and Intel communities are corrupt?

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ya the military industry would have nobody to kill. Meh...

America has been in some useless wars. Vietnam and Iraq in particular. And the Iraq War probably took our focus off of Afghanistan, which became completely pointless as well. 
 

On the other hand, let me ask you this: Putin invaded the Crimea and took it. We thought he would stop with that but now he wants all of Ukraine. If he gets all or most of Ukraine, do you really think he will stop, or will he take the Baltics and maybe Poland? 
 

Defense spending is incredibly wasteful, but losing all of Eastern Europe to a despot is even worse. 

Edited May 22, 2023 by Rebound

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Are you saying you already knew the legal and Intel communities are corrupt?

FACT: There was no finding of corruption 

 

That said, all American institutions have become completely politicized, so Republicans’ baseless politically motivated investigations such as Durham’s as well as others currently threatened or underway by various GOP slugs will increasingly become the norm for parties on both sides of the aisle. 

Edited May 22, 2023 by BeaverFever

[robosmith]

19 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So he does hate Hillary-Billary. Go figure...

But LIKES Trump because, like you, Trump DEFENDS his fraudulence.

[Nationalist]

21 hours ago, Rebound said:

America has been in some useless wars. Vietnam and Iraq in particular. And the Iraq War probably took our focus off of Afghanistan, which became completely pointless as well. 
 

On the other hand, let me ask you this: Putin invaded the Crimea and took it. We thought he would stop with that but now he wants all of Ukraine. If he gets all or most of Ukraine, do you really think he will stop, or will he take the Baltics and maybe Poland? 
 

Defense spending is incredibly wasteful, but losing all of Eastern Europe to a despot is even worse. 

I see no evidence nor reason Russia would go anywhere else.

[Nationalist]

21 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

FACT: There was no finding of corruption 

 

That said, all American institutions have become completely politicized, so Republicans’ baseless politically motivated investigations such as Durham’s as well as others currently threatened or underway by various GOP slugs will increasingly become the norm for parties on both sides of the aisle. 

That the institutions, including the FBI, are politicized, IS corruption.

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

But LIKES Trump because, like you, Trump DEFENDS his fraudulence.

Hi Bot.

Bye Bot.

[BeaverFever]

14 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

That the institutions, including the FBI, are politicized, IS corruption.

Nope. And then by that logic Durham’s nothingburger politicized investigation is corruption

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Nope. And then by that logic Durham’s nothingburger politicized investigation is corruption

Indeed. Tell me. Do you like how politicized the American justice system has become? Do you think it an optimal situation?

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I see no evidence nor reason Russia would go anywhere else.

No evidence? Are you crazy?

Here is an actual speech by Vladimir Putin himself:  http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

See? It's a Kremlin.ru website. Official as can be. This speech is Putin's justification for his invasion of Ukraine. In the speech, he justifies it because, he says, the Balkans, Belorussia, Lithuania, and Poland are historically and culturally all Russian. 

Quote from Putin: "The incorporation of the western Russian lands into the single state was not merely the result of political and diplomatic decisions. It was underlain by the common faith, shared cultural traditions, and – I would like to emphasize it once again – language similarity. Thus, as early as the beginning of the 17th century, one of the hierarchs of the Uniate Church, Joseph Rutsky, communicated to Rome that people in Moscovia called Russians from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth their brothers, that their written language was absolutely identical."

I know that your little BS game is to "parse the words," but... you cannot parse any distinction between Putin's claim on Ukraine and Belorussia, Lithuania and Poland. Same arguments, so his justification for seizing Ukraine is no different from his justification to seize Lithuania, Belorussia and Poland.  

Edited May 23, 2023 by Rebound

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

No evidence? Are you crazy?

Here is an actual speech by Vladimir Putin himself:  http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

See? It's a Kremlin.ru website. Official as can be. This speech is Putin's justification for his invasion of Ukraine. In the speech, he justifies it because, he says, the Balkans, Belorussia, Lithuania, and Poland are historically and culturally all Russian. 

Quote from Putin: "The incorporation of the western Russian lands into the single state was not merely the result of political and diplomatic decisions. It was underlain by the common faith, shared cultural traditions, and – I would like to emphasize it once again – language similarity. Thus, as early as the beginning of the 17th century, one of the hierarchs of the Uniate Church, Joseph Rutsky, communicated to Rome that people in Moscovia called Russians from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth their brothers, that their written language was absolutely identical."

I know that your little BS game is to "parse the words," but... you cannot parse any distinction between Putin's claim on Ukraine and Belorussia, Lithuania and Poland. Same arguments, so his justification for seizing Ukraine is no different from his justification to seize Lithuania, Belorussia and Poland.  

Ur insane. No kidding...get that checked before you fall out of your rocker completely.

Nowhere in that diatribe, does Putin say he intends to attack Poland or any NATO member state. All you're doing is forming a crime in your head, and then stretching reality till it fits this warped reality you see. Today...in the real world...

Russia has operational control of the eastern region that declared themselves independent from Ukraine. They "may" decide to inflict uncountable destruction on western Ukraine, but I see no evidence that they have any interest in holding it. I'll postulate the following though...

In the decades to come, and likely before the end of this century, Russia will see a revival of sorts and will probably become a very central force in Europe and the world. Geo-politically speaking, maintaining an abrasive relationship with Russia will become costly. When the Soviet Union fell and the influence of Russia plummeted, the EU and IMF took control of the Central European nations (Poland included) without a single shot fired. How? They bought it all.

You don't think Putin and the Russians were watching? Learning? Planning?

The boarders will remain because there's no reason to address them.

Thus you're simply making shit up. Engaged in "fear-porn".

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

But LIKES Trump because, like you, Trump DEFENDS his fraudulence.

And hillary didn't?

"Did you scrub your personal mail server ms Clinton" "What, you mean like with javex and a cloth?"

Remember - she to this day says she did nothing wrong. That she is BIGLY innocent. 

But the finding was clear - she broke the law and she lied.  She wasn't charged because they claim they couldn't prove mens rea which is odd because that crime doesn't require mens rea to be a crime. But - it was clear she broke the  law and committed fraud.

And she defends it.  So if THAT was the criteria then the russians should LOVE her

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I see no evidence nor reason Russia would go anywhere else.

Putin has stated the dissolution of the USSR was a major tragedy, so that would indicate he wants to reassemble it.

Seems you MISSED that REASON.

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Hi Bot.

Bye Bot.

I'll take that as you have NO LEGITIMATE REBUTTAL. AKA, your surrender.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Indeed. Tell me. Do you like how politicized the American justice system has become? Do you think it an optimal situation?

Just because you don't understand what and why is happening, does NOT make it "politicized." Duh.

We are recovering from Trump's weaponization of the DoJ for political purposes.

Edited May 23, 2023 by robosmith

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Ur insane. No kidding...get that checked before you fall out of your rocker completely.

Nowhere in that diatribe, does Putin say he intends to attack Poland or any NATO member state. All you're doing is forming a crime in your head, and then stretching reality till it fits this warped reality you see. Today...in the real world...

Russia has operational control of the eastern region that declared themselves independent from Ukraine. They "may" decide to inflict uncountable destruction on western Ukraine, but I see no evidence that they have any interest in holding it. I'll postulate the following though...

In the decades to come, and likely before the end of this century, Russia will see a revival of sorts and will probably become a very central force in Europe and the world. Geo-politically speaking, maintaining an abrasive relationship with Russia will become costly. When the Soviet Union fell and the influence of Russia plummeted, the EU and IMF took control of the Central European nations (Poland included) without a single shot fired. How? They bought it all.

You don't think Putin and the Russians were watching? Learning? Planning?

The boarders will remain because there's no reason to address them.

Thus you're simply making shit up. Engaged in "fear-porn".

What you're doing ^HERE is defending Putin's fraudulent INTENTIONS. As usual.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And hillary didn't?

"Did you scrub your personal mail server ms Clinton" "What, you mean like with javex and a cloth?"

Remember - she to this day says she did nothing wrong. That she is BIGLY innocent. 

But the finding was clear - she broke the law and she lied.  She wasn't charged because they claim they couldn't prove mens rea which is odd because that crime doesn't require mens rea to be a crime. But - it was clear she broke the  law and committed fraud.

And she defends it.  So if THAT was the criteria then the russians should LOVE her

She wasn't charged because DoJ officials KNOW THE LAW far better than YOU.

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Putin has stated the dissolution of the USSR was a major tragedy, so that would indicate he wants to reassemble it.

Seems you MISSED that REASON.

It was a major tragedy from a Russian perspective. Are you so think as to not be capable of fathoming this? So how does that become, 'We will take back all of Central Europe'? I await you latest reality bend with baited breath...

12 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I'll take that as you have NO LEGITIMATE REBUTTAL. AKA, your surrender.

You can take it anyway you like...young buckeroo.

Fact is...I find you mildly amusing and wholly full o' shite.

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Just because you don't understand what and why is happening, does NOT make it "politicized." Duh.

We are recovering from Trump's weaponization of the DoJ for political purposes.

OK how exactly do you figure Trump weaponized the DOJ?

this outta be rich...

Edited May 23, 2023 by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

She wasn't charged because DoJ officials KNOW THE LAW far better than YOU.

She wasn't charged because bill ran across the tarmac and had a little "chat" with the AG

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

What you're doing ^HERE is defending Putin's fraudulent INTENTIONS. As usual.

What? To become a major global force again? That happens to be inevitable.

You should really try to live within the bounds of reality there robo-bot.

[robosmith]

24 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It was a major tragedy from a Russian perspective. Are you so think as to not be capable of fathoming this? So how does that become, 'We will take back all of Central Europe'? I await you latest reality bend with baited breath...

You can take it anyway you like...young buckeroo.

Fact is...I find you mildly amusing and wholly full o' shite.

And I find you to be a Qanon CULT member who repeatedly defends Trump's fraudulence cause FOS LIES never tells you the truth.

 

24 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

OK who exactly do you figure Trump weaponized the DOJ?

this outta be rich...

You mean to get who? Did you miss the posted fact that he was TRYING to BUST Hillary for four years? LMAO

[robosmith]

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

She wasn't charged because bill ran across the tarmac and had a little "chat" with the AG

Bullshit. If you knew US law, you'd know why ^this was UNNECESSARY, but YOU DON'T.

Don't know why you CANADIAN amateurs believe you know anything about US LAW. LMAO

28 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

What? To become a major global force again? That happens to be inevitable.

You should really try to live within the bounds of reality there robo-bot.

No, to reassemble the USSR BY FORCE. Do try to keep up, simpleton.

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

And I find you to be a Qanon CULT member who repeatedly defends Trump's fraudulence cause FOS LIES never tells you the truth.

Meh...I debated a few real Qanons on another site. I found them...objectionable. Very prone to wild conspiracy theories. Very adamant that only Christians are "good". Horribly anti-gay and anti-Jew and anti-Muslim and anti-anyone and anything that isn't European...in their opinions.

Which always made me laugh because...I lived in Europe and found immediately that the women there are much more...randy than are ur run o' the mill American girl.

Edited May 23, 2023 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You mean to get who? Did you miss the posted fact that he was TRYING to BUST Hillary for four years? LMAO

Actually I meant "how" and changed the post to say that. Moving on...

Hillary-Billary is her own worst enemy. She's a greed driven scumbag who would throw her own daughter under the bus if she thought she could gain from it.

Now instead of making silly claims...HOW exactly did Trump try to bust this nasty old hag for four years?

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Bullshit. If you knew US law, you'd know why ^this was UNNECESSARY, but YOU DON'T.

Actually most lawyers disagree with that. It's generally accepted she should have been charged.

AND - i KNOW clinton did run across the tarmac and shortly after the charges were dropped.

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Don't know why you CANADIAN amateurs believe you know anything about US LAW. LMAO

Because we read the opinions of US lawyers?

You really suck at this don't you.

[Nationalist]

17 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Bullshit. If you knew US law, you'd know why ^this was UNNECESSARY, but YOU DON'T.

Don't know why you CANADIAN amateurs believe you know anything about US LAW. LMAO

No, to reassemble the USSR BY FORCE. Do try to keep up, simpleton.

Ahhh...so in 'robo-world' Putin is trying to reform the Soviet Union.

Not that anyone has ever heard him say that but...they can tell he meant it boy!

robo-bot...I'm sure glad you're such an obvious joke. If anyone took your particular brand of chickenshit seriously, we'd all be dead by now.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ur insane. No kidding...get that checked before you fall out of your rocker completely.

Nowhere in that diatribe, does Putin say he intends to attack Poland or any NATO member state. All you're doing is forming a crime in your head, and then stretching reality till it fits this warped reality you see. Today...in the real world...

Russia has operational control of the eastern region that declared themselves independent from Ukraine. They "may" decide to inflict uncountable destruction on western Ukraine, but I see no evidence that they have any interest in holding it. I'll postulate the following though...

In the decades to come, and likely before the end of this century, Russia will see a revival of sorts and will probably become a very central force in Europe and the world. Geo-politically speaking, maintaining an abrasive relationship with Russia will become costly. When the Soviet Union fell and the influence of Russia plummeted, the EU and IMF took control of the Central European nations (Poland included) without a single shot fired. How? They bought it all.

You don't think Putin and the Russians were watching? Learning? Planning?

The boarders will remain because there's no reason to address them.

Thus you're simply making shit up. Engaged in "fear-porn".

Nowhere in his diatribe did Putin say he invaded Ukraine, either.  
 

Bug he clearly stated that his justification for a unified Russia + Ukraine is the same as justification for adding Poland, Belarus and Lithuania.