NYLefty Posted April 19, 2023 Report Posted April 19, 2023 I'm a strong believer in the 1st. But I also believe your rights end where somebody else's start. So for you 1st amendment trumps all unencumbered, ye be warned Quote
CdnFox Posted April 19, 2023 Report Posted April 19, 2023 It's an important distinction and often news media skirts that line very closely. Sadly i doubt any of the media will get the right take-away from this - it'll probably not be 'don't lie', it'll probably be 'go ahead and lie but for god's sake don't write it down that you're lying ' And while this is a big hit for fox they used that stuff to build their revenues a great deal - they'll look at it as 'still worth it' in the long run. But hopefully it'll help keep the media from running too far amock in the future. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Rebound Posted April 19, 2023 Report Posted April 19, 2023 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: It's an important distinction and often news media skirts that line very closely. Sadly i doubt any of the media will get the right take-away from this - it'll probably not be 'don't lie', it'll probably be 'go ahead and lie but for god's sake don't write it down that you're lying ' And while this is a big hit for fox they used that stuff to build their revenues a great deal - they'll look at it as 'still worth it' in the long run. But hopefully it'll help keep the media from running too far amock in the future. Fox News felt they were pushed into a corner as a direct result of Donald Trump’s election lies. Plain and simple. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
CdnFox Posted April 19, 2023 Report Posted April 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Rebound said: Fox News felt they were pushed into a corner as a direct result of Donald Trump’s election lies. Plain and simple. Nothing is ever plain and simple, except for people who claim things are plain and simple LOL Joking aside i don't think they were pushed into anything. They were increasing their viewership and business in leaps and bounds and got carried away and went a bridge too far. In fairness they are worth more than most of the other major news agencies such as cnn and nbc news combined. With the kind of growth they've been having and their success it's not hard to lose sight of things and go too far. All the news agencies lie, they all get sued, but honestly this was easily avoidable and i think they got swept up in the situation and just couldn't manage to reach those breaks. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
robosmith Posted April 19, 2023 Report Posted April 19, 2023 33 minutes ago, Rebound said: Fox News felt they were pushed into a corner as a direct result of Donald Trump’s election lies. Plain and simple. Fox tried telling the truth but found their viewers wanted LIES and switched to more compliant competitors like Newsmax and OANN. To maintain their audience, apparently the HOSTS were ordered to COMPETE or did so due to competitive pressures. Quote
West Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 Pales in severity to the leftist scumbags slandering a 15 year old high-school students for wearing a red ball cap Quote
CdnFox Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 11 hours ago, West said: Pales in severity to the leftist scumbags slandering a 15 year old high-school students for wearing a red ball cap Or NBC splicing the trevon martin tapes to create the impression of racism where none existed. They ALL lie. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Aristides Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 Fox’s woes aren’t over. Smartmatic next and Fox shareholders are lining up to sue the Murdochs and other directors. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 14 hours ago, West said: Pales in severity to the leftist scumbags slandering a 15 year old high-school students for wearing a red ball cap Compared to Dominion executives, employees and their families having to live with death threats for 2 1/2 years? 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: Compared to Dominion executives, employees and their families having to live with death threats for 2 1/2 years? For sure - the kids and their families got death threats too. To be honest while i think both are pretty damn bad i think he's got a point that the cnn example is worse. But it's a little like saying one guy jumped from a 30 story building and another jumped from a 40 story building and arguing over who's more dead. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Aristides Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 Dominion also has suits pending against Newsmax, OAN, Giuliani, Powell and Lindell. 1 Quote
West Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 20 minutes ago, Aristides said: Dominion also has suits pending against Newsmax, OAN, Giuliani, Powell and Lindell. Giuliani had nothing to do with it lol Quote
West Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Aristides said: Compared to Dominion executives, employees and their families having to live with death threats for 2 1/2 years? You mean like when lefties falsely claimed Donnie worked with Russia and his daughter in law had white powder sent to her home? You play the victim but the behavior of the left over the past 6 or 7 years has been a disgrace. Plus the 15 year old CHILD that Washington Post slandered had death threats as well.. Edited April 20, 2023 by West 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 1 minute ago, West said: You mean like when lefties falsely claimed Donnie worked with Russia and his daughter in law had white powder sent to her home? You play the victim but the behavior of the left over the past 6 or 7 years has been a disgrace it's a really good point. For 3 years the left wing political party and media claimed that trump "stole the election' with help from the russians. And after exhaustive investigation it turned out to be completely untrue and that the left lied. And the left and their supporters are fine with it. Trump claims some machines stole the eleciton and the right wing media agrees and it turns out to be untrue and the left claims it's just the worst thing ever and the right always lies and lives in fear. It's sad what's happening in amerca these days. 2 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, West said: Giuliani had nothing to do with it lol Wrong. "Smartmatic, based in Florida, is suing Fox News, Fox hosts Maria Bartiromo and Jeanine Pirro, former Fox host Lou Dobbs, and Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani for $2.7 billion. The suit was filed in February 2021." https://abcnews.go.com/US/after-dominion-settlement-fox-news-ready-defend-lawsuit/story?id=98704417 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, West said: Giuliani had nothing to do with it lol I think their argument is that giuliani, acting as trumps lawyer, made statements that the machines had been tampered with. I think they're dead in the water there but you know how it is with lawsuits - sue EVERYONE and then see where the dust settles. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
West Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 44 minutes ago, CdnFox said: it's a really good point. For 3 years the left wing political party and media claimed that trump "stole the election' with help from the russians. And after exhaustive investigation it turned out to be completely untrue and that the left lied. And the left and their supporters are fine with it. Trump claims some machines stole the eleciton and the right wing media agrees and it turns out to be untrue and the left claims it's just the worst thing ever and the right always lies and lives in fear. It's sad what's happening in amerca these days. I agree especially with the democrats. Vile people doing vile things to the country Quote
West Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I think their argument is that giuliani, acting as trumps lawyer, made statements that the machines had been tampered with. I think they're dead in the water there but you know how it is with lawsuits - sue EVERYONE and then see where the dust settles. Trump never made such claims.. The argument of Guiliani and Ellis was procedural... leftist politicians and unelected beurocrats changed election laws without state congress approval. Which is true they did use "covid" as an excuse to do mass mail in ballots and ballot harvesting.. The dominion voting machines thing was by that Kraken lady Edited April 20, 2023 by West Quote
West Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 43 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Wrong. "Smartmatic, based in Florida, is suing Fox News, Fox hosts Maria Bartiromo and Jeanine Pirro, former Fox host Lou Dobbs, and Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani for $2.7 billion. The suit was filed in February 2021." https://abcnews.go.com/US/after-dominion-settlement-fox-news-ready-defend-lawsuit/story?id=98704417 Lol... poor billionaires being questioned after being caught on camera claiming they'd never let Donnie win. Quote
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 20 minutes ago, West said: Lol... poor billionaires being questioned after being caught on camera claiming they'd never let Donnie win. Giuliani was just one more MAGA dimwit. Hell, Donald even stiffed him his earned pay. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 20, 2023 Report Posted April 20, 2023 3 hours ago, West said: Trump never made such claims.. The argument of Guiliani and Ellis was procedural... leftist politicians and unelected beurocrats changed election laws without state congress approval. Which is true they did use "covid" as an excuse to do mass mail in ballots and ballot harvesting.. The dominion voting machines thing was by that Kraken lady You're probably right ( i don't remember) but they'll still sue anyone who used the word 'dominion' at any point and see where things fall Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
NYLefty Posted April 21, 2023 Author Report Posted April 21, 2023 This may not change any rightwingdingalings minds but they're too far gone anyway. It may not break Ruppy financial but it does have a bright side, it sets precedent 1 Quote
Rebound Posted April 21, 2023 Report Posted April 21, 2023 17 hours ago, CdnFox said: For sure - the kids and their families got death threats too. To be honest while i think both are pretty damn bad i think he's got a point that the cnn example is worse. But it's a little like saying one guy jumped from a 30 story building and another jumped from a 40 story building and arguing over who's more dead. Nice try. A 15 year-old kid versus trying to overthrow an entire national election through repeated, deliberate lies, destruction of two innocent companies, a massive riot, five dead, millions and millions of government dollars wasted in pointless recounts, an impeachment… yeah, tell us they’re equal. I’ll show you 787 million reasons why they aren’t. 3 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
CdnFox Posted April 21, 2023 Report Posted April 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Rebound said: Nice try. Yeah - truth is always a good play 2 hours ago, Rebound said: A 15 year-old kid So you approve of torturing a BUNCH of 15 year old kids, ruining their future, ostracising them in their community and getting them tossed from school, having their lives and the lives of their families ruined just so you can fake a video for clicks? Buddy - your 'moral high ground' is sinking fast here 2 hours ago, Rebound said: versus trying to overthrow an entire national election Never happened. There was zero chance that the election would be overthrown by fox news. And they knew it. 2 hours ago, Rebound said: through repeated, deliberate lies, Same as cnn then. At least fox didn't EDIT A VIDEO TO FALSIFY WHAT HAPPENED like cnn did. Which is far worse than just repeating a lie, which cnn ALSO did. 2 hours ago, Rebound said: destruction of two innocent companies, Innocent companies LOL. Sure a company is worth WAAAAY more than an innocent CHILD'S LIFE! I mean - most people if given a choice of saving a child or a company would let the child die, right? That's pretty normal. Those companies have the resources to fight (and did). THey have insurance, they have lawyers, they have resources. And their people are protected by a fair bit of anonymity, it's not easy to come up with the CEO's home address. Unlike the kids who were named and their community and school directly metnioned - took people 6 seconds to find them. 2 hours ago, Rebound said: a massive riot Which riot did fox cause specifically? 2 hours ago, Rebound said: , five dead, So you're saying the capital riot was fox - not trump. 2 hours ago, Rebound said: millions and millions of government dollars wasted in pointless recounts, That's just stupid. Every election whomever wins accuses the other side of 'pointless recounts. Recounts are never pointless. And if they are the Dems are every bit as guilty - hanging chad anyone? or did you forget all the times that the dems contested an election? 2 hours ago, Rebound said: an impeachment… yeah, tell us they’re equal. I’ll show you 787 million reasons why they aren’t. So fox news caused the impeachment. You're an !diot. Basically you've tried to claim that every single negative thing that happened during trump's time is fox news's fault. So does that mean cnn is guilty for the 5 billion dollars in riots that happened over the race stuff they reported on? Does that mean that theyr'e responsible for the current border crisis? How about the war in ukraine - they've talked about that. Sorry - we're comparing two specific incidents. one is the claim that dominion's machines were a problem, the other that a bunch of schoolkids racistly confronted a first nations veteran. Both of which were false. And of the two - DELIBERATELY FAKING A VIDEO AND RELEASING DETAILS OF WHERE THE KID LIVED AND PUTTING THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AT DIRECT RISK IS WORSE. THat is a F***ING CHILD for christsake - and they FAKED evidence - not just lied but knowingly faked evidence - to do it. FAR worse than just repeating a lie you don't really believe about a company that has every ability to protect itself. God what mental gymnastics you people are prepared to do in order to justify your evil. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Rebound Posted April 23, 2023 Report Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/21/2023 at 11:19 AM, CdnFox said: Yeah - truth is always a good play So you approve of torturing a BUNCH of 15 year old kids, ruining their future, ostracising them in their community and getting them tossed from school, having their lives and the lives of their families ruined just so you can fake a video for clicks? Buddy - your 'moral high ground' is sinking fast here Never happened. There was zero chance that the election would be overthrown by fox news. And they knew it. Same as cnn then. At least fox didn't EDIT A VIDEO TO FALSIFY WHAT HAPPENED like cnn did. Which is far worse than just repeating a lie, which cnn ALSO did. Innocent companies LOL. Sure a company is worth WAAAAY more than an innocent CHILD'S LIFE! I mean - most people if given a choice of saving a child or a company would let the child die, right? That's pretty normal. Those companies have the resources to fight (and did). THey have insurance, they have lawyers, they have resources. And their people are protected by a fair bit of anonymity, it's not easy to come up with the CEO's home address. Unlike the kids who were named and their community and school directly metnioned - took people 6 seconds to find them. Which riot did fox cause specifically? So you're saying the capital riot was fox - not trump. That's just stupid. Every election whomever wins accuses the other side of 'pointless recounts. Recounts are never pointless. And if they are the Dems are every bit as guilty - hanging chad anyone? or did you forget all the times that the dems contested an election? So fox news caused the impeachment. You're an !diot. Basically you've tried to claim that every single negative thing that happened during trump's time is fox news's fault. So does that mean cnn is guilty for the 5 billion dollars in riots that happened over the race stuff they reported on? Does that mean that theyr'e responsible for the current border crisis? How about the war in ukraine - they've talked about that. Sorry - we're comparing two specific incidents. one is the claim that dominion's machines were a problem, the other that a bunch of schoolkids racistly confronted a first nations veteran. Both of which were false. And of the two - DELIBERATELY FAKING A VIDEO AND RELEASING DETAILS OF WHERE THE KID LIVED AND PUTTING THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AT DIRECT RISK IS WORSE. THat is a F***ING CHILD for christsake - and they FAKED evidence - not just lied but knowingly faked evidence - to do it. FAR worse than just repeating a lie you don't really believe about a company that has every ability to protect itself. God what mental gymnastics you people are prepared to do in order to justify your evil. Now it’s “torture” and its “a bunch” of people. You can’t keep your story straight little boy. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
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