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14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He starts off by claiming statements i never made in an insulting fashion and then you crybaby that people are short with him.

No he didn't.  You just have the emotional maturity of a 7 year old and went from 0->100 right off the start with insults as soon as someone disagreed with you.  

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You. Are. Toooo. Dumb. for. this. as. well.  What kind of dolt complains about people fighting by jumping in and picking a fight in a discussion he's not even part of.

It's hard to avoid, because you're in every thread, picking fights and lashing out everywhere.  You've been on this forum for less than 2 months and you already have 1500+ posts.  I don't know what sort of lonely void you're trying to fill with 30+ posts a day, but get a life.  

 

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5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It didn't really. A shocking amount of the infrastructure was still built over the millennia with private money. We have MORE infrastructure but that's because we've got cars and eletricity and stuff we never did before.

But even before widespread electrical technology, both the quantify and the quality of infrastructure got much better as the government started taking better care of the workers. There's a reason why libertarian societies always fail. The model you're describing just wasn't efficient. Today's lolbert societies have electricity, but they still don't work well.

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45 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No he didn't. 

Yeah he did. It's right there. And the fact you'd lie about that shows that really you're just here for a fight yourself - the very thing you accuse me of.

45 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

It's hard to avoid, because you're in every thread, picking fights and lashing out everywhere. 

It's not hard to avoid at all. You seem to seek it out - you weren't even involved in this but you're jumping in and it's not the first time. If you really gave a crap you could easily send a pm and said 'hey, i want to talk about this issue' or whatever but you don't - you just wanted to pick a fight yourself and so you dive in.

When someone acts like an ass to me - they get a fight. Plain and simple. This kid was an ass. THere's tonnes of threads where myself and others disagree but it's civil and both sides act with respect, but this douche didn't choose to do that and neither did you.

So you've got ZERO room to complain, troll.

45 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

 

You've been on this forum for less than 2 months and you already have 1500+ posts.  I don't know what sort of lonely void you're trying to fill with 30+ posts a day, but get a life.  

Awww  - so you type with two fingers and are all mad someone else can actually think and type faster than your 12 words an hour.

Fack off you degenerate little hobgoblin. You're a leftie troll who's sulking that nobody respects him and you feel the need to lash out. How pathetic.

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3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Conservatives have been saying that for almost a century in America. It never actually happens.

The bourgeoisie will always try to save money. If they can outsource to a third world country, they will. We've tried lowering their taxes to keep jobs in America, but that doesn't work because the bourgeoisie will happily take lower taxes AND cheaper labor through outsourcing. This is why outsourcing increased under Trump, despite everything he did for the rich.

It’s only happened in every communist country and a few very socialist ones like Venezuela, and even in certain developed countries like Britain in the 50’s.  Food stamps, shortages, rations, and breadlines can be fun though. right? Move along, nothing to see here…

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3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

But even before widespread electrical technology, both the quantify and the quality of infrastructure got much better as the government started taking better care of the workers.

Not really. I mean Rome had some of the worlds best infrastructure ever and most of that was built by slaves and with privately raised money. The armies were privately funded as well.

I'm not sure where you're seeing this 'great improvement'.  Turns out a whip is just as motivating as a pension plan.

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1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Communist countries, eh?

Well he's also a litlte wrong. It doesn't just happen in "communist" countries.

Ask new york about that. After thier tax increase the wealthy fled or faked their addressses as being in tax friendly areas such as florida and atlanta i believe. He made a HUGE stick about it, showing the numbers, and this is why the budgets suddenly tanked and there wasn't enough money for many of the social programs.

There are MANY examples - there comes a point where the expense of paying tax becomes more than the cost of avoiding tax. And when that happens, money leaves.

So conservatives have been saying it for years... and it's been happening for years.

Now - it would be MORE accurate to include the benefit form taxes to be fair. FOr example a bunch of busineess fled to Canada during harper's day, it became a real thing that obama was pissed about. Canada had technically higher taxes, but - it's got gov't medical and when you took that into account the actual cost after tax and medical was still better in Canada. So we got tonnes of investment, many businesses moved, etc.

It's not hard to move your money without moving your body. You'll still pay a little tax locally but much of that wealth is now being taxed elsewhere. And that's bad news for poor people - the rich pay the majority of the taxes, if they go then the por will get far less in the way of services.

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7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Thus the exodus from California, Nee York and other left-wing states to Texas and Florida.  

Yep - and they're feeling it now.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/09/millionaires-fleeing-south-from-new-york-tax-smack/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2021/08/27/businesses-are-fleeing-california-along-with-its-residents-and-president-biden-should-pay-attention/?sh=7b735a3a2327

You can tax to a certain point, and then people and business has had enough and they flee.  At some point it gets to be worth the money and hassle.

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6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Awww  - so you type with two fingers and are all mad someone else can actually think and type faster than your 12 words an hour.

I'm the one who's angry...and about your typing skills!?  ?

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Fack off you degenerate little hobgoblin. You're a leftie troll who's sulking that nobody respects him and you feel the need to lash out. How pathetic.

You're not fooling anyone.  Talking about "respect" on an anonymous internet forum you angrily spam with 30+ posts a day paints your picture clearly.  There are better and more productive ways to cope with what's so obviously lacking in your life.  ?

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4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well he's also a litlte wrong. It doesn't just happen in "communist" countries.

Ask new york about that. After thier tax increase the wealthy fled or faked their addressses as being in tax friendly areas such as florida and atlanta i believe. He made a HUGE stick about it, showing the numbers, and this is why the budgets suddenly tanked and there wasn't enough money for many of the social programs.

There are MANY examples - there comes a point where the expense of paying tax becomes more than the cost of avoiding tax. And when that happens, money leaves.

So conservatives have been saying it for years... and it's been happening for years.

Now - it would be MORE accurate to include the benefit form taxes to be fair. FOr example a bunch of busineess fled to Canada during harper's day, it became a real thing that obama was pissed about. Canada had technically higher taxes, but - it's got gov't medical and when you took that into account the actual cost after tax and medical was still better in Canada. So we got tonnes of investment, many businesses moved, etc.

It's not hard to move your money without moving your body. You'll still pay a little tax locally but much of that wealth is now being taxed elsewhere. And that's bad news for poor people - the rich pay the majority of the taxes, if they go then the por will get far less in the way of services.

You don't have to remind me that you don't know what communism is.

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4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not really. I mean Rome had some of the worlds best infrastructure ever and most of that was built by slaves and with privately raised money. The armies were privately funded as well.

I'm not sure where you're seeing this 'great improvement'.  Turns out a whip is just as motivating as a pension plan.

Nope. Even in Ancient Rome, they used taxes for infrastructure and public services. The taxes actually increased along with the size of the empire because the Romans understood that maintaining such a large territory requires more government.

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6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Thus the exodus from California, New York and other left-wing states to Texas and Florida.  

Psh, I wish California and New York were left-wing.

But no, this is a myth. If you look at all the states that people are leaving vs entering, there is no correlation with red states and blue states. Some of the states with the most people leaving are in the south.

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4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Nope. Even in Ancient Rome, they used taxes for infrastructure and public services. The taxes actually increased along with the size of the empire because the Romans understood that maintaining such a large territory requires more government.

Then the Roman Empire declined in the 5th century, because it couldn’t finance and sustain itself administratively and militarily, the start of the Dark Ages.

 

50 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Psh, I wish California and New York were left-wing.

But no, this is a myth. If you look at all the states that people are leaving vs entering, there is no correlation with red states and blue states. Some of the states with the most people leaving are in the south.

You seem completely unaware of the trend that’s well underway:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/texas-florida-see-biggest-population-gains-as-over-600000-flee-new-york-california-185038289.html

https://nypost.com/2023/01/03/u-haul-people-leaving-ny-california-for-texas-florida/amp/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-31/states-with-low-taxes-americans-leave-new-york-moving-to-florida-texas#xj4y7vzkg

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Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Then the Roman Empire declined in the 5th century, because it couldn’t finance and sustain itself administratively and militarily, the start of the Dark Ages.

There were lots of reasons for the fall of the empire, but when it comes to the inability to fund itself, that had more to do with the country being too big. Had they relied on private businesses to build infrastructure, Rome would have fell way sooner. Also, taxes were used to pay for the military, which is another way taxation benefits all of us.

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Go back and read what I said. Carefully, this time.

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1 minute ago, Americana Antifa said:

There were lots of reasons for the fall of the empire, but when it comes to the inability to fund itself, that had more to do with the country being too big. Had they relied on private businesses to build infrastructure, Rome would have fell way sooner. Also, taxes were used to pay for the military, which is another way taxation benefits all of us.

Go back and read what I said. Carefully, this time.

Intelligent hard working people are fleeing the ditzy Democrat states.  Honestly, why would any sane person want to be around war-mongering tax and spend leftists who put pronouns under their names, teach young children about sex, and believe that referring to biological women as women and biological men as men is offensive?

I wouldn’t want my family anywhere near these corrupt confused people.  I want to be somewhere that rewards merit, instills family values, and keeps both taxes reasonable and the cost of living low.  The champagne socialists want an overreaching government to ram their bizarre amoral agenda down everyone’s throats.  

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2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Intelligent hard working people are fleeing the ditzy Democrat states.  

Not according to the data. But conservatives are anti-reality, so I guess we won't agree on this.

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Honestly, why would any sane person want to be around war-mongering tax and spend leftists

Both parties are full of war-mongers. It's one of the few things Republicans and Democrats agree on. However, leftists are mostly anti-war. We were the ones condemning Obama for his drone program while both conservative media and liberal media were ignoring the civilian deaths.

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who put pronouns under their names, teach young children about sex, and believe that referring to biological women as women and biological men as men is offensive?

That pronoun thing really bothers you, snowflake?

Leftists don't want to teach young children about sex. When conservatives say things like that, they're projecting. Conservatives want to ban sex ed because when kids learn basic sex ed, they're more likely to tell someone if they've been molested. You really just want to protect child abusers.

It's not offensive, but it does reveal your ignorance. Likewise, you can say that the moon is a star if you want. It's not offensive, but it does let people know how uneducated you are.

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The champagne socialists want an overreaching government to ram their bizarre amoral agenda down everyone’s throats.  

Funny, we hear a lot about "champagne socialists," but rich people are far more likely to vote Republican. Wonder why that is...

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11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Not according to the data. But conservatives are anti-reality, so I guess we won't agree on this.

Both parties are full of war-mongers. It's one of the few things Republicans and Democrats agree on. However, leftists are mostly anti-war. We were the ones condemning Obama for his drone program while both conservative media and liberal media were ignoring the civilian deaths.

That pronoun thing really bothers you, snowflake?

Leftists don't want to teach young children about sex. When conservatives say things like that, they're projecting. Conservatives want to ban sex ed because when kids learn basic sex ed, they're more likely to tell someone if they've been molested. You really just want to protect child abusers.

It's not offensive, but it does reveal your ignorance. Likewise, you can say that the moon is a star if you want. It's not offensive, but it does let people know how uneducated you are.

Funny, we hear a lot about "champagne socialists," but rich people are far more likely to vote Republican. Wonder why that is...

Teaching kids that no one is allowed to touch them, especially their sex organs, isn’t the same thing as discussing forms of sexuality with primary students.  As for everything else you said, are you kidding me?  You really don’t seem to get that the current dominant liberals have nothing to do with supporting workers or opposing war.  They’re elitists who use progressive language as a smokescreen for the fact that they think blue collar people are gross and they like imposing their views on everyone everywhere overseas.  They’re a threat to family values, subsidiarity, and democracy. They’re also a disaster for the economy, adding taxes and raising the cost of living through inflationary spending.

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5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Teaching kids that no one is allowed to touch them, especially their sex organs, isn’t the same thing as discussing forms of sexuality with primary students.  

Of course. But the Right wants no sex ed at all. They also want homeschooling, because most child abuse takes place in the home. And of course, they don't want teachers finding out that a child is being molested or otherwise abused, since they'd call CPS.

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As for everything else you said, are you kidding me?  You really don’t seem to get that the current dominant liberals have nothing to do with supporting workers or opposing war.  

I'm not a liberal, but that's just not true. Liberals want to raise the minimum wage, build infrastructure in rural areas, and expand medicare while conservatives want to cut medicare, medicaid, social security.

Why do you think the right-wing establishment started obsessing over queer people and "wokeness" like three years ago? It's because Republicans have no issues that are popular with average Americans. They need to obsess over culture war nonsense because they don't want to talk about economic policy.

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They’re elitists who use progressive language as a smokescreen for the fact that they think blue collar people are gross and they like imposing their views on everyone everywhere overseas.  They’re a threat to family values, subsidiarity, and democracy. They’re also a disaster for the economy, adding taxes and raising the cost of living through inflationary spending.

Let's say that's true. Let's say that behind the scenes, Democrats look down on blue-collar people. They would still be the better choice because their policies benefit the workers. Whereas Republicans only make policy that benefits the rich.

And when you say "family values," you mean you're against gay marriage. Cry all you want, but most Americans support gay marriage. When you say Democrats are a threat to democracy, that's just pure projection, since we both know which party tried to steal the 2020 election and then made voter-restriction laws all over America. Stop being a beta coward and we can discuss fascism vs democracy.

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11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Of course. But the Right wants no sex ed at all.

Well that's a blatant lie.  They believe in age appropriate sex ed that's focused on how pregnancy works, dispelling myths (like you can't get preggers if you have sex standing up, one of my faves), STD's, and some basics about health and biology. 

They just don't want to teach 4 year olds how to do anal. Which seems to upset your kind terribly for some reason.

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

They also want homeschooling, because most child abuse takes place in the home.

Well that's pretty stupid - first you're a disgusting person if you think right wing people support child abuse and want to create situations where it happens more, as you just said. What a pile of human trash you are to say that.

And second - if that WAS they're goal they just have to wait till the kids come home and abuse them then. It's not like kids are in school for 24 hours. So i would be a dense reason even IF it wasn't a disgusting thing to say.

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

And of course, they don't want teachers finding out that a child is being molested or otherwise abused, since they'd call CPS.

Teachers don't give a crap. They're more likely to be abusing the kid anyway.

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I'm not a liberal, but that's just not true. Liberals want to raise the minimum wage, build infrastructure in rural areas, and expand medicare while conservatives want to cut medicare, medicaid, social security.

And give people more money. Soooo yeah.

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Why do you think the right-wing establishment started obsessing over queer people and "wokeness" like three years ago? It's because Republicans have no issues that are popular with average Americans. They need to obsess over culture war nonsense because they don't want to talk about economic policy.

Riiiightt - no republicans were ever elected before that, i forgot.  :) 

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Let's say that's true. Let's say that behind the scenes, Democrats look down on blue-collar people. They would still be the better choice because their policies benefit the workers. Whereas Republicans only make policy that benefits the rich.

Nope. IN fact AOC threw over 4000 great paying jobs in the can in new york with her leftie bullcrap and lack of understanding.

And busiesses and wealthy people are fleeing left-run states like new york and cali. In droves. Those workers  are either going to move to a non leftie state or suffer.

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

And when you say "family values," you mean you're against gay marriage.

Actually campained for it.  With my gay  conservative candidate. At a convention. Where it was decided that the CPC should drop that because it was bull. And to keep his earlier promises when the CPC got in they had one vote in the house saying 'should we drop this or keep fighting about it" and it was 'drop it', and for 10 years it never came up again,

Sooooo yeah. Again - you lie because it is the only way you can try to make a point. I tell the truth because the truth makes my point.  

 

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5 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Nope. Even in Ancient Rome, they used taxes for infrastructure and public services. The taxes actually increased along with the size of the empire because the Romans understood that maintaining such a large territory requires more government.

Yep, the didn't use 'taxes' for infrastructure, at least not by and large. Soooowwweeeee. They had SOME 'public funds' they spent on infrastructure but it wasn't from taxes. It was from tribute (business license basically), land fees, bribes, fees and licenses for the most part (and occasionally just killing a rival rich person and stealing everything in ceaser's day).  So not taxes. The average person didn't pay a tax.  There was no payroll deduction slip for the average person.

And a LOT of the roads didn't even come from that. It just came from the pockets of rich people.

So sorry kiddo wrong again.

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