We all have a Mom & Dad

[August1991]

Years ago, early 1980s, while travelling in China - confused about life, I began to realise that we all can speak of family.

We all have aunts and uncles, sisters and brothers.

These Chinese in the train compartment understood when I explained that I had two sisters but my mother's father was dead.

[Moonlight Graham]

Chinese people don't understand what its like to have 2 sisters (1 child policy).

[August1991]

On 1/16/2023 at 10:25 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Chinese people don't understand what its like to have 2 sisters (1 child policy).

I agree, good point - but also miss my point.

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While travelling in China years ago (early 1980s), as a Canadian, I tried to understood the world. 

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

Around the world, we eat different foods. We hold utensils differently.

Some of us sleep in beds with clean sheets, others on a street.

But we all can answer about our mom, dad. Even aunts, uncles. We all know about our nephews and nieces. Every human, we all have, 4 grandparents - so we all have something in common.

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I learned this while travelling in China years ago.  

Edited January 20, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

Here's my point: Wherever you are in the world, you can ask any random person, whatever the language: "Where was your father born?"

The random person will have an answer - and you'll both have a common topic of conversation.

We all have a Dad & Mom.

[TreeBeard]

12 hours ago, August1991 said:

Here's my point: Wherever you are in the world, you can ask any random person, whatever the language: "Where was your father born?"

The random person will have an answer - and you'll both have a common topic of conversation.

We all have a Dad & Mom.

We also all have 2 arms and have a common great-ape ancestor.  I get that you don’t like gay couples, but do you need to hide behind “we all can talk about our dads”?  It’s a bit ….  Weird. 

[dialamah]

14 hours ago, August1991 said:

But we all can answer about our mom, dad. Even aunts, uncles.

Not everybody.  Some people are adopted and have no knowledge of parents/grandparents/aunts/uncles/cousin etc.

[August1991]

On 1/20/2023 at 1:49 PM, TreeBeard said:

We also all have 2 arms and have a common great-ape ancestor.  I get that you don’t like gay couples, but do you need to hide behind “we all can talk about our dads”?  It’s a bit ….  Weird. 

Many species have 2 arms - or even 5 fingers.

Gay couples? No problem.

I have nothing against two people, of whatever sex, signing a civil union.

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But mayonnaise requires whole eggs - otherwise, it's merely salad dressing.

Please don't tell me that Elton John has a husband, or that he is married.

It is an abuse of language.   

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Many species have 2 arms - or even 5 fingers.

Gay couples? No problem.

I have nothing against two people, of whatever sex, signing a civil union.

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But mayonnaise requires whole eggs - otherwise, it's merely salad dressing.

Please don't tell me that Elton John has a husband, or that he is married.

It is an abuse of language.   

Elton John has a husband.  He's married.

[August1991]

Heck, in Canada, we used to have the term "common law marriage".

Or, "they got married at city hall." 

(I always preferred the term: "shacked-up".)

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Marriage should be woman/man husband/wife religious.

[August1991]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Elton John has a husband.  He's married.

Sure. And Kraft Salad Dressing is like mayonnaise.

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Look, I'm not questioning the right of anyone to be gay. No disrespect at all. I object to this misuse of language. You do not have the right to change my language.

Edited January 22, 2023 by August1991

[Guest]

1 minute ago, August1991 said:

Sure. And Kraft Salad Dressing is like mayonnaise.

Well, I'm no chef, but Elton John has a husband.  He's married.

[August1991]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Well, I'm no chef, but Elton John has a husband.  He's married.

bcsapper, you think that if you change the language, you will change reality.

You are sorely mistaken.

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Everyone knows that salad dressing is not the same as mayonnaise.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, August1991 said:

bcsapper, you think that if you change the language, you will change reality.

You are sorely mistaken.

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Everyone knows that salad dressing is not the same as mayonnaise.

The reality is what it is.  The language changed to reflect the reality.

It's strange that it bothers people so.

[August1991]

Let me repeat: no disrespect intended. Some of us are left-handed.

But please don't tell me that Elton John has a husband. It's  an abuse of language.

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Mayonnaise has whole eggs, and champagne comes from France.

[August1991]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

The reality is what it is.  The language changed to reflect the reality.

It's strange that it bothers people so.

Sure. bcsapper, you change language at will - but reality still exists.

And reality is that mayonnaise has whole eggs - otherwise, it's salad dressing.

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Language should reflect reality.  I mean, language is our connection to reality. Language cannot change reality.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Let me repeat: no disrespect intended. Some of us are left-handed.

But please don't tell me that Elton John has a husband. It's  an abuse of language.

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Mayonnaise has whole eggs, and champagne comes from France.

No disrespect intended here either.  Elton John has a husband, and Yorkshire pudding comes from Yorkshire.

It's great fun discussing food and drink, and all, but none of it changes Elton John's marital status.  They have children too.  Such a nice family.

[August1991]

16 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No disrespect intended here either.  Elton John has a husband, and Yorkshire pudding comes from Yorkshire.

It's great fun discussing food and drink, and all, but none of it changes Elton John's marital status.  They have children too.  Such a nice family.

The British parliament may have changed the law so that Elton John has a husband.

Well, Caligula named his horse to the Senate.

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Years ago, I had numerous arguments on this forum about gay marriage. The poster convinced me of its legitimacy finally when I believed that gays merely wanted "respect".

Sorry, I was mistaken.

I always respected an individual's right to be. Now, Elton John is asking me to change language, as if that will change reality.

As I say: you can say salad dressing has whole eggs, but in reality, it doesn't.

What did Galileo famously say? "But it moves."

 

Edited January 22, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

On 1/20/2023 at 2:36 PM, dialamah said:

Not everybody.  Some people are adopted and have no knowledge of parents/grandparents/aunts/uncles/cousin etc.

Getting back to my OP.

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Even adopted people know that that they have a biological father/mother. Everyone also has four grandparents.

Around the world, we are different in so many ways but we all have this point in common: We all have a dad and mom.

It is easy to talk to someone in your own language, country. But if you're abroad, struggling, ask a person about their mother or father. Do they have a sister or brother? Everyone has an answer; these questions unite us.

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For intellectuals, here's another way to view this topic: everyone alive today had an ancestor alive at the time of Christ, some 2000 years ago. Who was this mother and father who gave us the DNA today?

 

[Guest]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

The British parliament may have changed the law so that Elton John has a husband.

Well, Caligula named his horse to the Senate.

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Years ago, I had numerous arguments on this forum about gay marriage. The poster convinced me of its legitimacy finally when I believed that gays merely wanted "respect".

Sorry, I was mistaken.

I always respected an individual's right to be. Now, Elton John is asking me to change language, as if that will change reality.

As I say: you can say salad dressing has whole eggs, but in reality, it doesn't.

What did Galileo famously say? "But it moves."

 

And the US abolished slavery.

You used to be able to say women can't vote.

Honestly.  Salad Dressing.

[TreeBeard]

11 hours ago, August1991 said:

no disrespect intended.

These words don’t stop you from being a bigot.  It’s a bigoted, ignorant view.
Some bigots insist that the n-word is ok…. Some bigots refuse to acknowledge the reality of gay marriage.  Different strokes for different bigots.  

Edited January 22, 2023 by TreeBeard

[herbie]

Is Bortus not Klyden's 'wife'? Assumes that role even though Klyden laid the egg....

Did ELton John reveal the role he takes?

Edited January 23, 2023 by herbie

[August1991]

On 1/22/2023 at 10:28 AM, bcsapper said:

And the US abolished slavery.

You used to be able to say women can't vote.

Honestly.  Salad Dressing.

Some people are left-handed.

But don't make me say that they are right-handed.

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Mayonnaise requires whole eggs - otherwise it's salad dressing.

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Some people are left-handed.

But don't make me say that they are right-handed.

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Mayonnaise requires whole eggs - otherwise it's salad dressing.

By all means call them left handed.  Married, gay, left handed, all good now.

The salad dressing stuff is just meaningless drivel trying to dress itself up as profound, of course.

[August1991]

23 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

By all means call them left handed.  Married, gay, left handed, all good now.

The salad dressing stuff is just meaningless drivel trying to dress itself up as profound, of course.

No.

Champagne comes from France. Otherwise, it's Prosecco.

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Marriage, husband, wife: Church.

Dwight has the right to change his name - and even to insist that I refer to him as Elton, but it is an abuse of language to say that he is "married" to a "husband". 

Edited January 27, 2023 by August1991