The Reason No National Guard Came to Jan 6 in Time

[TomT]

One of the most vexing questions about Jan. 6 is why the National Guard took more than three hours to arrive at the Capitol. Sworn testimony shows that the most senior defense officials did not want to send troops to the Capitol because they harbored fears that President Donald Trump would utilize the forces’ presence in an attempt to illegally hold onto power.

Christopher Miller, who served as acting Secretary of the Defense on Jan. 6, told the Department’s inspector general that he feared “if we put U.S. military personnel on the Capitol, I would have created the greatest Constitutional crisis probably since the Civil War.” In congressional testimony, he said he had “fears that the President would invoke the Insurrection Act to politicize the military in an anti-democratic manner” and that “factored into my decisions regarding the appropriate and limited use of our Armed Forces to support civilian law enforcement during the Electoral College certification.”

This timeline is from the Department of Defense:

Thursday, December 31, 2020 (New Year’s Eve)

• Mayor Muriel Bowser and Dr. Christopher Rodriguez, D.C. Director of Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency, deliver a written request for D.C. National Guard (DCNG) support to D.C. Metro Police Department (MPD) and Fire and Emergency Service.

Sunday, January 3, 2021

• DoD confirms with U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) that there is no request for DoD support.

• A/SD and CJCS meet with the President. President concurs in activation of the DCNG to support law enforcement.

Monday, January 4, 2021

• USCP confirms there is no requirement for DoD support in a phone call with SECARMY.

• The A/SD, in consultation with CJCS, SECARMY, and DoD General Counsel (GC), plans to be prepared to provide support to civil authorities, if asked, and approves activation of 340 members of the DCNG to support Mayor Bowser’s request.

Tuesday, January 5, 2021

• Mayor Bowser delivers a letter addressed to the Acting Attorney General, A/SD, and SECARMY confirming that there are no additional support requirements from the D.C.

Wednesday, January 6, 2021

8:30 AM - A/SD and CJCS review DoD plan to support law enforcement agencies and request an exercise regarding DoD contingency response options. 

1:05 PM - A/SD receives open-source reports of demonstrator movements to U.S. Capitol.

1: 26 PM - USCP orders evacuation of Capitol complex.

1:49 PM - Commanding General, DCNG, Walker phone call with USCP Chief Sund. Chief Sund communicates request for immediate assistance.

3:00 PM - A/SD determines all available forces of the DCNG are required to reinforce MPD and USCP positions to support efforts to reestablish security of the Capitol complex.

3:00 PM - SECARMY directs DCNG to prepare available Guardsmen to move from the armory to the Capitol complex, while seeking formal approval from A/SD for deployment. DCNG prepares to move 150 personnel to support USCP, pending A/SD’s approval.

3:04 PM - A/SD, with advice from CJCS, DoD GC, the Chief of the National Guard Bureau (CNGB), SECARMY, and the Chief of Staff of the Army, provides verbal approval of the full activation of DCNG.  In response, DCNG redeployed all soldiers from positions at Metro stations and all available non-support and non-C2 personnel to support MPD. DCNG begins full mobilization.

3:19 PM - SECARMY phone call with Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi about the nature of Mayor Bowser’s request. SECARMY explains A/SD already approved full DCNG mobilization.

3:26 PM - SECARMY phone call with Mayor Bowser and MPD police chief and conveys A/SD approval of the activation of full DCNG.

3:46 PM - CNGB phone call with the Adjutant General (TAG) of Virginia to discuss support in Washington D.C. TAG said Governor had ordered mobilization of forces at 5:32PM.

3:55 PM - CNGB phone call with TAG of Maryland to discuss support in Washington D.C. TAG said governor ordered the mobilization of the rapid response force.

4:17 PM – Trump sends a tweet to rioters in the Capitol building "I know your pain. I know your hurt," he begins. "We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You've seen the way others are treated. ... I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace."

4:32 PM - A/SD provides verbal authorization to re-mission DCNG to conduct perimeter and clearance operations in support of USCP. SECARMY to provide public notification of support.

4:40 PM - SECARMY phone call with Governor of Maryland. Governor to send Maryland NG troops to D.C., expected to arrive on January 7, 2021.

5:45 PM - A/SD signs formal authorization for out-of-State NG to muster and gives voice approval for deployment in support of USCP.

6:14 PM - USCP, MPD, and DCNG successfully establish perimeter on the west side of the U.S. Capitol.

7:36 PM - A/SD provides vocal approval to lease fences in support of the USCP for security of the Capitol building. 2000: USCP declares Capitol building secure. Note: This document has been updated to more appropriately reflect the characterization of events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6th

[I am Groot]

Pretty goddam sad when the secretary of defense can't trust the president who recently appointed him to not take control of the military and use it to illegally keep himself in power.

Edited December 30, 2022 by I am Groot

[robosmith]

15 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Pretty goddam sad when the secretary of defense can't trust the president who recently appointed him to not take control of the military and use it to illegally keep himself in power.

Very smart for ANYONE to not trust Trump, other than to do what benefits HIMSELF at any given time.

Fortunately Trump saw that his plan FAILED and chose to not make things worse.

Thanks to Pence standing up to Trump for the first time. :applause:

[suds]

Can anyone explain to me what Tom's little rant has to do with the timeline?  At 1:49 pm the Capitol Police request assistance, and then shortly after 3 pm the DC National Guard are in full mobilization. Dealing with a chain of command, re-deploying the Guard from traffic duty to the Capitol, receiving/assessing advice/information from all other organizations involved, and then coming up with some sort of plan... isn't normally done by someone simply snapping their fingers. Does the timeline concerning the Guard sound unreasonable to anyone?

Edited December 30, 2022 by suds

[robosmith]

17 minutes ago, suds said:

Can anyone explain to me what Tom's little rant has to do with the timeline?  At 1:49 pm the Capitol Police request assistance, and then shortly after 3 pm the DC National Guard are in full mobilization. Dealing with a chain of command, re-deploying the Guard from traffic duty to the Capitol, receiving/assessing advice/information from all other organizations involved, and then coming up with some sort of plan... isn't normally done by someone simply snapping their fingers. Does the timeline concerning the Guard sound unreasonable to anyone?

The planning and preparation COULD have been done in ADVANCE (since there was warning) and then "snapping their fingers" would get it rolling immediately.

[I am Groot]

25 minutes ago, suds said:

Can anyone explain to me what Tom's little rant has to do with the timeline?  At 1:49 pm the Capitol Police request assistance, and then shortly after 3 pm the DC National Guard are in full mobilization. Dealing with a chain of command, re-deploying the Guard from traffic duty to the Capitol, receiving/assessing advice/information from all other organizations involved, and then coming up with some sort of plan... isn't normally done by someone simply snapping their fingers. Does the timeline concerning the Guard sound unreasonable to anyone?

I saw no rant... ?

[suds]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The planning and preparation COULD have been done in ADVANCE (since there was warning) and then "snapping their fingers" would get it rolling immediately.

SOME planning and preparation could have been done in advance and likely was.  The thing is that both sides were against having Guardsmen on Capitol grounds. In hindsight it might have been better if the Capitol Police had requested the Guard the morning of, or the day before. How can you expect anyone to 'plan and prepare' when you have no knowledge of the situation at hand? It's not as simple as you make it sound.

[suds]

20 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I saw no rant... ?

Call it whatever you want, but you're not answering my question. What does one have to do with the other??

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Did you use to rant about Mike Pence prior to this applause? ?

You mean BEFORE when he was nothing but Trump's toady? That was years ago.

[reason10]

18 hours ago, TomT said:

One of the most vexing questions about Jan. 6 is why the National Guard took more than three hours to arrive at the Capitol. Sworn testimony shows that the most senior defense officials did not want to send troops to the Capitol because they harbored fears that President Donald Trump would utilize the forces’ presence in an attempt to illegally hold onto power.

Christopher Miller, who served as acting Secretary of the Defense on Jan. 6, told the Department’s inspector general that he feared “if we put U.S. military personnel on the Capitol, I would have created the greatest Constitutional crisis probably since the Civil War.” In congressional testimony, he said he had “fears that the President would invoke the Insurrection Act to politicize the military in an anti-democratic manner” and that “factored into my decisions regarding the appropriate and limited use of our Armed Forces to support civilian law enforcement during the Electoral College certification.”

This timeline is from the Department of Defense:

Thursday, December 31, 2020 (New Year’s Eve)

• Mayor Muriel Bowser and Dr. Christopher Rodriguez, D.C. Director of Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency, deliver a written request for D.C. National Guard (DCNG) support to D.C. Metro Police Department (MPD) and Fire and Emergency Service.

Sunday, January 3, 2021

• DoD confirms with U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) that there is no request for DoD support.

• A/SD and CJCS meet with the President. President concurs in activation of the DCNG to support law enforcement.

Monday, January 4, 2021

• USCP confirms there is no requirement for DoD support in a phone call with SECARMY.

• The A/SD, in consultation with CJCS, SECARMY, and DoD General Counsel (GC), plans to be prepared to provide support to civil authorities, if asked, and approves activation of 340 members of the DCNG to support Mayor Bowser’s request.

Tuesday, January 5, 2021

• Mayor Bowser delivers a letter addressed to the Acting Attorney General, A/SD, and SECARMY confirming that there are no additional support requirements from the D.C.

Wednesday, January 6, 2021

8:30 AM - A/SD and CJCS review DoD plan to support law enforcement agencies and request an exercise regarding DoD contingency response options. 

1:05 PM - A/SD receives open-source reports of demonstrator movements to U.S. Capitol.

1: 26 PM - USCP orders evacuation of Capitol complex.

1:49 PM - Commanding General, DCNG, Walker phone call with USCP Chief Sund. Chief Sund communicates request for immediate assistance.

3:00 PM - A/SD determines all available forces of the DCNG are required to reinforce MPD and USCP positions to support efforts to reestablish security of the Capitol complex.

3:00 PM - SECARMY directs DCNG to prepare available Guardsmen to move from the armory to the Capitol complex, while seeking formal approval from A/SD for deployment. DCNG prepares to move 150 personnel to support USCP, pending A/SD’s approval.

3:04 PM - A/SD, with advice from CJCS, DoD GC, the Chief of the National Guard Bureau (CNGB), SECARMY, and the Chief of Staff of the Army, provides verbal approval of the full activation of DCNG.  In response, DCNG redeployed all soldiers from positions at Metro stations and all available non-support and non-C2 personnel to support MPD. DCNG begins full mobilization.

3:19 PM - SECARMY phone call with Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi about the nature of Mayor Bowser’s request. SECARMY explains A/SD already approved full DCNG mobilization.

3:26 PM - SECARMY phone call with Mayor Bowser and MPD police chief and conveys A/SD approval of the activation of full DCNG.

3:46 PM - CNGB phone call with the Adjutant General (TAG) of Virginia to discuss support in Washington D.C. TAG said Governor had ordered mobilization of forces at 5:32PM.

3:55 PM - CNGB phone call with TAG of Maryland to discuss support in Washington D.C. TAG said governor ordered the mobilization of the rapid response force.

4:17 PM – Trump sends a tweet to rioters in the Capitol building "I know your pain. I know your hurt," he begins. "We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You've seen the way others are treated. ... I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace."

4:32 PM - A/SD provides verbal authorization to re-mission DCNG to conduct perimeter and clearance operations in support of USCP. SECARMY to provide public notification of support.

4:40 PM - SECARMY phone call with Governor of Maryland. Governor to send Maryland NG troops to D.C., expected to arrive on January 7, 2021.

5:45 PM - A/SD signs formal authorization for out-of-State NG to muster and gives voice approval for deployment in support of USCP.

6:14 PM - USCP, MPD, and DCNG successfully establish perimeter on the west side of the U.S. Capitol.

7:36 PM - A/SD provides vocal approval to lease fences in support of the USCP for security of the Capitol building. 2000: USCP declares Capitol building secure. Note: This document has been updated to more appropriately reflect the characterization of events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6th

So far there is no link to back up this OPINION. But I have a few reliable links.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/23/investigators-pelosi-responsible-for-jan-6-security-breakdown-at-u-s-capitol/

https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/16/nancy-pelosi-owns-january-6/

https://defconnews.com/2022/12/22/house-republicans-locate-emails-and-text-messages-implicating-pelosi-in-failed-jan-6-capitol-security-operation/

 

[Nationalist]

Sooo...as it turns out...Trumps request for the national guard should have been executed. 

Amusing...

[Aristides]

24 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Sooo...as it turns out...Trumps request for the national guard should have been executed. 

Amusing...

Trump only wanted them to escort his demonstrators to the Capitol.

Like this: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/national-guard-adam-demarco-trump-photo-op-excessive-force_n_5f1f45eac5b638cfec48ad46

[TomT]

The "original" plan discussed in the Trump White House was for Trump to lead and the National Guard to follow in ranks with the demonstrators coming up the rear as they marched to Congress to "Stop the Steal." Trumps White House lawyers testified this plan was discussed. Those same White House lawyers convinced Trump not to use the National Guard. Trump appointed Christopher Miller, formerly the Chief of Staff for the Army because he believed Miller was used to following orders. Cash Patel was made Millers Chief of Staff. Patel was one of the most virulent MAGA revolutionaries so Trump felt he could "manage Miller."

Because Miller was "acting" SOD, Miller had frequent calls with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Stafff Mark Milly. Milly was very fearful that Trump was about to lead an insurrection and wanted to be sure no US military would be involved. So Miller took his ques from Milly and made sure that the National Guard was "de-militarized." He delayed their arrival to avoid any direct conflict with rioters.

 

Edited December 31, 2022 by TomT

[Infidel Dog]

18 hours ago, suds said:

Can anyone explain to me what Tom's little rant has to do with the timeline?  At 1:49 pm the Capitol Police request assistance, and then shortly after 3 pm the DC National Guard are in full mobilization. Dealing with a chain of command, re-deploying the Guard from traffic duty to the Capitol, receiving/assessing advice/information from all other organizations involved, and then coming up with some sort of plan... isn't normally done by someone simply snapping their fingers. Does the timeline concerning the Guard sound unreasonable to anyone?

Well if one strips away the rhetoric from Tom's OP. All he seems to be saying is Trump wanted the National Guard to assist in security for the capitol but they worried Trump might use it to complete some sort of dastardly coup.

I'm not sure why he'd want to push that theory. Isn't he pro Nancy and the Swamp? That one doesn't make them look good. Lax security because they have a conspiracy theory?

Myself I believe there was a Swamp contrived plan for an entrance to the capitol building by attendees of the America First Rally in Washington. A central part of the plan was a depletion of security at one particular gate. A national guard presence would have put the kibosh on that one. 

Try this one to see how that one lays out:

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

The title gives the impression it's just about Ray Epps. It's not. There's a lot more to it.

And yes Tom, that's also a conspiracy theory but it's simply a case of mine versus yours.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Aristides]

Trump's own people were worried about him using the Guard to complete a coup. 

[reason10]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Trump only wanted them to escort his demonstrators to the Capitol.

Like this: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/national-guard-adam-demarco-trump-photo-op-excessive-force_n_5f1f45eac5b638cfec48ad46

Huffingonacrackpipe Post? What's next? THE VIEW?

Grow a brain, fool.

I gave you RELIABLE LINKS and you vomit this rag from the DemoNazi Ministry of Propaganda?

Earth to Brain Dead: If Trump had told that HALF A MILLION PERSON CROWD to riot, most of Congress would be dead or in the hospital and those structure would have been burned to the ground.

ANTIFA was the instigator and Nazi Pelosi allowed it to happen.

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Trump only wanted them to escort his demonstrators to the Capitol.

Like this: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/national-guard-adam-demarco-trump-photo-op-excessive-force_n_5f1f45eac5b638cfec48ad46

Lol...ya...escort...

[suds]

4 hours ago, TomT said:

The "original" plan discussed in the Trump White House was for Trump to lead and the National Guard to follow in ranks with the demonstrators coming up the rear as they marched to Congress to "Stop the Steal." Trumps White House lawyers testified this plan was discussed. Those same White House lawyers convinced Trump not to use the National Guard. Trump appointed Christopher Miller, formerly the Chief of Staff for the Army because he believed Miller was used to following orders. Cash Patel was made Millers Chief of Staff. Patel was one of the most virulent MAGA revolutionaries so Trump felt he could "manage Miller."

Because Miller was "acting" SOD, Miller had frequent calls with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Stafff Mark Milly. Milly was very fearful that Trump was about to lead an insurrection and wanted to be sure no US military would be involved. So Miller took his ques from Milly and made sure that the National Guard was "de-militarized." He delayed their arrival to avoid any direct conflict with rioters.

 

I guess it finally took someone like Trump to show the flaws that exist within the current system. Flaws which have the possibility of negatively affecting the decision making process.  Since there's no governor for the District of Columbia, why not place the DC National Guard under the command of the Mayor of DC for all non-federal owned areas. For federal areas policed by the US Capitol Police (or other departments), command could be placed under the Speakers of the House and Senate or even possibly the US Capitol Police Board. Would you not agree that changes have to be made somewhere?

Edited December 31, 2022 by suds

[Rebound]

On 12/31/2022 at 8:37 AM, reason10 said:

So far there is no link to back up this OPINION. But I have a few reliable links.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/23/investigators-pelosi-responsible-for-jan-6-security-breakdown-at-u-s-capitol/

https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/16/nancy-pelosi-owns-january-6/

https://defconnews.com/2022/12/22/house-republicans-locate-emails-and-text-messages-implicating-pelosi-in-failed-jan-6-capitol-security-operation/

 

Your BS articles, which come from a website that calls itself “defiantly conservative” and calls the Democrats “communists,” does not quote one single sentence from these alleged statements by Pelosi. Not even a word.  So how do you know your claim is true?

[reason10]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

Your BS articles, which come from a website that calls itself “defiantly conservative” and calls the Democrats “communists,” does not quote one single sentence from these alleged statements by Pelosi. Not even a word.  So how do you know your claim is true?

I'm the ONLY one presenting any REAL proof in this thread. And facts do not care of you're too stupid to accept them. Democrats ARE communists, NAZIS and ignorant welfare bums, as well as illegal aliens, and I don't care if you don't like those FACTS.

Nazi Pelosi ordered the National  Guard to stand down and ANTIFA led the very small attack on Capitol Hill, (with only ONE fatality.)

You just have a problem with the truth, creep.

[Rebound]

On 12/31/2022 at 5:08 PM, suds said:

I guess it finally took someone like Trump to show the flaws that exist within the current system. Flaws which have the possibility of negatively affecting the decision making process.  Since there's no governor for the District of Columbia, why not place the DC National Guard under the command of the Mayor of DC for all non-federal owned areas. For federal areas policed by the US Capitol Police (or other departments), command could be placed under the Speakers of the House and Senate or even possibly the US Capitol Police Board. Would you not agree that changes have to be made somewhere?

Dude, the flaw in the system was Trump. 
The Acting Secretary of Defense stated twice under oath that he was afraid to deploy soldiers because he was afraid that Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act and seize power. 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

I'm the ONLY one presenting any REAL proof in this thread. And facts do not care of you're too stupid to accept them. Democrats ARE communists, NAZIS and ignorant welfare bums, as well as illegal aliens, and I don't care if you don't like those FACTS.

Nazi Pelosi ordered the National  Guard to stand down and ANTIFA led the very small attack on Capitol Hill, (with only ONE fatality.)

You just have a problem with the truth, creep.

In WW II, the Nazis fought the Communists. Over 20 million were killed. So explain how someone can be a Communist and a Nazi at the same time. Thanks. 

[Infidel Dog]

9 minutes ago, Rebound said:

In WW II, the Nazis fought the Communists. Over 20 million were killed. So explain how someone can be a Communist and a Nazi at the same time. Thanks. 

You could ask this guy:

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Alexey Milchakov is a Russian neo-Nazi, suspected war criminal and co-leader and co-founder of the DShRG Rusich of the Wagner Group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey_Milchakov

This Ukrainian newspaper claims Russian neo-nazism is a thing.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2014/08/18/russian-neo-nazis-in-the-ranks-of-terrorists-in-eastern-ukraine/

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Nowadays nationalist and neo-Nazi movements are on the rise in Russia. According to Russian experts, the number of such organizations has reached 53 and most of them are functioning in Russia legally. This list can be divided into moderate (23 organizations), radical (22 organizations) and forbidden (8 organizations).

One of these organizations, ethnopolitical union “Russkie” (Russians), claims that Russian people are special because they are carry phenotype and genotype of the White Race. Members of this organization demand to specify in the Russian Constitution that the Russian Federation is a successor of  Kyivan Rus and the Russian Empire.

 

[Rebound]

4 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

You could ask this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey_Milchakov

This Ukrainian newspaper claims Russian neo-nazism is a thing.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2014/08/18/russian-neo-nazis-in-the-ranks-of-terrorists-in-eastern-ukraine/

 

You have not explained how someone can be both a Communist and a Nazi.  

[Infidel Dog]

Quote

  

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

You have not explained how someone can be both a Communist and a Nazi.  

 

No, but I did illustrate that it happens.

If you're wanting more then as I suggested before ask the Russian Nazis in the Wagner group. 

Edited January 2, 2023 by Infidel Dog