blackbird Posted January 5 Author Report Share Posted January 5 (edited) 19 minutes ago, bcsapper said: That's what it sounds like to you, because you have no conscience. You rely on some old book. That's because there are many reasons why I trust the "old book". Just one reason alone is Jesus was raised from the dead and seen after the resurrection by many eye witnesses. Anyone who chooses to ignore that fact has to be blind. Edited January 5 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Just now, blackbird said: Taking human life was always illegal. It was called murder. Still is in most countries. Suicide is not illegal in Canada, hasn't been for 50 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 5 Author Report Share Posted January 5 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: Suicide is not illegal in Canada, hasn't been for 50 years. As I said many times, that is a moral question of right or wrong. It has always been considered as wrong by civilized society. Anyone who thinks suicide is fine or reasonable really needs help. However, the government does not use the word suicide in the MAID laws or debates because they don't want people to think that is what it is. It is carefully avoided. Edited January 5 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Just now, blackbird said: As I said many times, that is a moral question of right or wrong. It has always been considered as wrong my civilized society. Anyone who thinks suicide is fine or reasonable really needs help. No one is saying suicide is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 5 Author Report Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, Aristides said: No one is saying suicide is fine. You just said it by saying it has been legal for 50 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Just now, blackbird said: You just said it by saying it has been legal for 50 years. It has. Decriminalizing something doesn't make it fine, that is up to an individual, not you or me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcsapper Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 39 minutes ago, blackbird said: That's because there are many reasons why I trust the "old book". Just one reason alone is Jesus was raised from the dead and seen after the resurrection by many eye witnesses. Anyone who chooses to ignore that fact has to be blind. No, he wasn't. And no, he wasn't. Some people made that up. That being said, (and I seem to remember saying this to you after a similar series of posts a couple of years ago) there's no point in continuing this discussion. It's entered the realm of pantomime now. So you can have the last word in our particular exchange of views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 5 Author Report Share Posted January 5 24 minutes ago, bcsapper said: No, he wasn't. And no, he wasn't. Some people made that up. That being said, (and I seem to remember saying this to you after a similar series of posts a couple of years ago) there's no point in continuing this discussion. It's entered the realm of pantomime now. So you can have the last word in our particular exchange of views. Probably the two biggest proofs of the resurrection of Jesus are the empty tomb and the fact that many of the Apostles died as martyrs for their faith or belief in the resurrection. People don't die for a lie. There are other reasons. You can Google it and see for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Probably the two biggest proofs of the resurrection of Jesus are the empty tomb and the fact that many of the Apostles died as martyrs for their faith or belief in the resurrection. People don't die for a lie. There are other reasons. You can Google it and see for yourself. You’ve read the story that the tomb was empty…. That’s not a proof of anything. The 911 hijackers died as martyrs too…. Also not proof of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 5 Author Report Share Posted January 5 13 hours ago, TreeBeard said: You’ve read the story that the tomb was empty…. That’s not a proof of anything. The 911 hijackers died as martyrs too…. Also not proof of anything. The empty tomb is strong evidence. Read this article on it. Then there are the eye witnesses who saw Jesus after the resurrection. Historical Evidence for the Resurrection | Desiring God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 5 Author Report Share Posted January 5 (edited) 14 hours ago, TreeBeard said: You’ve read the story that the tomb was empty…. That’s not a proof of anything. The 911 hijackers died as martyrs too…. Also not proof of anything. The 911 hijackers didn't suffer beatings and persecution like the disciples did for preaching the resurrection of Christ. They made a quick exit by flying planes into the Twin Towers. We also have mountains of evidence that Islam is a false religious system but the evidence for the Bible being true is very strong. We don't see disciples of Jesus flying aircraft into Twin Towers. All the suicide bombing by jihadists regularly around the world should tell you something. Edited January 5 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: The 911 hijackers didn't suffer beatings and persecution like the disciples did for preaching the resurrection of Christ. They made a quick exit by flying planes into the Twin Towers. We also have mountains of evidence that Islam is a false religious system but the evidence for the Bible being true is very strong. We don't see disciples of Jesus flying aircraft into Twin Towers. All the suicide bombing by jihadists regularly around the world should tell you something. Buddhists have lit themselves on fire. I guess their religion is the true one as that’s maximal suffering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 5 Author Report Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: Buddhists have lit themselves on fire. I guess their religion is the true one as that’s maximal suffering. Funny how you like to waste time just being contrary. I don't know what you get out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 25 minutes ago, blackbird said: Funny how you like to waste time just being contrary. I don't know what you get out of it. Funny how you say that Christianity is believable because the martyrs suffered for their beliefs, but when shown martyrs who suffered the most extreme anyone could imagine, you just dismiss it. I am pointing out the fallacy of your reasoning. Do you think this forum exists just so you can preach your beliefs without challenge? I am guessing there are a million Christian forums you could post at that would reaffirm how wonderful your beliefs are. Try chiristiancirclejerk.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 5 Author Report Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Funny how you say that Christianity is believable because the martyrs suffered for their beliefs, but when shown martyrs who suffered the most extreme anyone could imagine, you just dismiss it. I am pointing out the fallacy of your reasoning. Do you think this forum exists just so you can preach your beliefs without challenge? I am guessing there are a million Christian forums you could post at that would reaffirm how wonderful your beliefs are. Try chiristiancirclejerk.com You are not pointing out the fallacy of my reasoning at all. Everything you post is complete nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, blackbird said: You are not pointing out the fallacy of my reasoning at all. Everything you post is complete nonsense. Do you think there are martyrs from other religions that suffered for their beliefs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 (edited) I discovered there is a coalition that works to oppose euthanasia called the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition. Anyone interested can read their information on their website and join if they feel led to. Thankfully we still live in a free society where such organizations can exist and communicate their beliefs. "Sanctioning of euthanasia and assisted suicide (as in the Netherlands) has led to increased use of euthanasia without consent, circumvention of the law, and abuse of the vulnerable. Advances in hospice/palliative care and pain management methods are threatened when euthanasia and assisted suicide are sanctioned as a means of relieving pain and suffering. Requests for assisted suicide is a call for help." I am looking into joining this coalition and giving them some support. Euthanasia Prevention Coalition | Building a broad based network to oppose euthanasia & assisted suicide worldwide. (epcc.ca) Edited January 6 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexii Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 (edited) Complex issue. I'm not religious but I would say MAID is overly broad in a creepy/scary way. You shouldn't be able to get assisted suicide for any medical condition or no condition. It's too dangerous a thing in the hands of government, especially when many conditions once deemed mental illnesses no longer are. Given psychology's ugly history, there is no reason to trust these matters will be handled correctly. Not to mention conflict of interest, it's cost savings to an already overburdened medical system. For terminal illness such as cancer with extreme suffering, and advanced dementia where there is no quality of life left only IMO. Which we sort of already had... doctors often did not hold back morphine. Edited January 10 by Nexii 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 7 hours ago, Nexii said: Complex issue. I'm not religious but I would say MAID is overly broad in a creepy/scary way. You shouldn't be able to get assisted suicide for any medical condition or no condition. It's too dangerous a thing in the hands of government, especially when many conditions once deemed mental illnesses no longer are. Given psychology's ugly history, there is no reason to trust these matters will be handled correctly. Not to mention conflict of interest, it's cost savings to an already overburdened medical system. For terminal illness such as cancer with extreme suffering, and advanced dementia where there is no quality of life left only IMO. Which we sort of already had... doctors often did not hold back morphine. It isn't in the hands of government, people get to make their own choices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 11 Author Report Share Posted January 11 (edited) 9 hours ago, Aristides said: It isn't in the hands of government, people get to make their own choices. Making one's own choices without the moral compass of the will of God as revealed in his written revelation is a recipe for disaster both in this life and in eternity. That is why the world is in the broken tragic condition it is. Ever since Adam made his own choice to go against God's will, it has been a disastrous, tragic world. God in his mercy sent his Son to pay the penalty for our sin and offer salvation both in this life and for eternity to a fallen, lost world. What the Bible says about Self Will (bibletools.org) Our days on this earth are numbered. We had better be prepared to meet our Creator at any moment. Your Days Are Numbered So Count Them Wisely | SermonAudio Edited January 11 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 (edited) 17 minutes ago, blackbird said: Making one's own choices without the moral compass of the will of God as revealed in his written revelation is a recipe for disaster both in this life and in eternity. This is what the Taliban say when they stop a woman for having her veil too light or when a radical orthodox Rabbi in Jerusalem refuses to share the seat with a woman in public transit. They all justify it with the same line: "We are making God's choices." Edited January 11 by Contrarian 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 11 Author Report Share Posted January 11 4 hours ago, Contrarian said: This is what the Taliban say when they stop a woman for having her veil too light or when a radical orthodox Rabbi in Jerusalem refuses to share the seat with a woman in public transit. They all justify it with the same line: "We are making God's choices." That excuse won't hold up with the one and only true God. Those other religions have no real God behind them. There is only one true God as revealed in the Holy Scripture. If you have not read or studied it in the Holy Scriptures and believed it, you're just talking smoke and mirrors. Atheism is the road to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 (edited) 28 minutes ago, blackbird said: Atheism is the road to hell. I am not an atheist, just an agnostic, I think we are ants to the big picture into finding who "God" is. For some, to make the journey easier, they chose a comfort place, in my opinion: the Bible, the Quran, The Torah, etc as the only guide. It gets scary for the atheists too, why do you think in history atheist movements such as the one based on Das Kapital written by Marx and religious people based on the Bible did most of the killing? They all thought they had "the truth" , in a book. Edited January 11 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 11 Author Report Share Posted January 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Contrarian said: as Kapital written by Marx and religious people based on the Bible did most of the killing? The Communists did kill around 100 million people in the 20th century. People who were really following the Bible did not do all the killing. I have said this countless times. There are many false religions in the world and many wars and terrorism over false religion. Jesus taught his followers to "love thy neighbour" and said his kingdom is not of this world. So anyone who thinks aggression or wars was the way to spread his religion was not following the Bible. Of course nations and individuals have the right to defend themselves and their country against aggressors. When there are wars and violence, there is more than one side to the story. But as I explained before the world is a corrupt, fallen place ever since the Fall of Adam. That is why we have wars, crime, disease, and every other evil. When you try to blame Christianity or the Bible, we know it is just the anti-God, anti-Bible, anti-Christianity resisting. Without God's revelation, who has the truth? Is it yours, the liberals, the left, some progressives or who has it? It is complete nonsense to claim there are no absolutes such as good and evil, right and wrong, truth and error. Such thinking simply perpetuates ignorance, error, and supports a free-for-all attitude by an immoral society. Atheists and agnostics choose to ignore the Bible. It is a mistake to think there is a God but not accept the fact that he revealed himself to mankind. It is silly to think God would create the universe and mankind, but leave mankind without any revelation of himself and his will as we have in the Holy Scriptures. The Bible is full of evidence it came from God. Edited January 11 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, blackbird said: The Communists did kill around 100 million people in the 20th century. People who were really following Do you have any idea how many use this argument on the Communist Side? Every time I argue with a communist, they end up telling me the same the same thing: "Those who really follow Karl Marx's writings are not for what Stalin did" or "Stalin did not apply what Marx what wrote." Is the same thing you are telling me. Yet regardless of what the theory says, the writings of Karl Marx and the Bible/Quran were interpreted by human beings for political reasons which lead to atrocities in history. How many victims did the theory of Christianity/Islam made during the Crusades? How many victims did communism made after? I am not sure how humanity would have turned out if the Bible was not there, we would never know. Some argue that it would have been better, some say it would have lead to a bigger disaster. We will never know. ---> as for the truth, what is the point of the journey if you knew the destination? I like it like this, a mistery. Answers in a book are comforting yes -> but not necessarily true is my opinion. I do admire your conviction, if it helps you, good for you. Edited January 11 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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