There is no White privilege. Prove otherwise

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. I see nothing to link the statement you quote with the one you made. Asian economic success does need to be explained before anyone can say that 'White privilege' is why Blacks don't do as well as Whites.

2. That doesn't even begin to suggest racism doesn't exist. Only that non-whites are perfectly capable of thriving in this society, even exceeding the success of Whites.

1. For what reason ?  Is it because you think White Privilege doesn't exist ?  ipso facto ... Asian economic success could mean White Privilege doesn't exist ?  

2. And ?

[ironstone]

Yikes, these snowflakes are the future!

[reason10]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

I get your bullishly. You want to twist things into very specific questions, like claiming that racism cannot be institutional if no law establishes it.
 

So I’ll play your stupid game; it’s easy: Every single black man ever killed by a police officer was, legally, innocent.   Therefore, every single black person killed on a street by a white police officer meets your criteria.  Whether the cop was racist or not is unprovable and therefore, irrelevant in answering your question. 
 

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I get your bullishly. You want to twist things into very specific questions, like claiming that racism cannot be institutional if no law establishes it.

You are a LIAR. I NEVER said racism cannot be institutional if no law establishes it. I said WHITE FCkING PRIVILEGE cannot be institutional if no law establishes it. Are you just plain FCKING stupid? Earth to Retard, you don't win arguments by LYING about what your opponent says.

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So I’ll play your stupid game; it’s easy: Every single black man ever killed by a police officer was, legally, innocent.   Therefore, every single black person killed on a street by a white police officer meets your criteria.  Whether the cop was racist or not is unprovable and therefore, irrelevant in answering your question. 

I did not ask for that. (You're worse than an ESE third grader.) I asked for THE FCKING LAW that establishes white privilege. I ASKED FOR THE LAW SAYING WHITES CAN DO EVEN ONE THING THAT BLACKS CANNOT DO. Are you just plain STUPID?

As far as the white cop versus black perp, I gave you the actual statistics. Are you too stupid to read them?

It doesn't give you the right to change the subject, just because you don't have the brains to do your homework.

 

[reason10]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. For what reason ?  Is it because you think White Privilege doesn't exist ?  ipso facto ... Asian economic success could mean White Privilege doesn't exist ?  

2. And ?

Actually no one is suggesting a causal relationship between successful Asians and white privilege's questionable status. It was Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA who asked why there is no such thing as Asian privilege, since they live better lives than whites.

Kirk was asking the dumbass white privilege liar to explain why the "privilege" only applies to whites and not other races that might be more prosperous. Asian success in the marketplace, as well as academia, is the result of discipline from MOST Asians in this country. The family structure is very tight knit. The educational bar is set very high for the children.

I say "most" Asians because it would be ignorant to suggest that they all are perfect. There are some (I've heard stemming from the Hmong community) that end up in gangs and wind up in prison.

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. For what reason ?  Is it because you think White Privilege doesn't exist ?  ipso facto ... Asian economic success could mean White Privilege doesn't exist ?  

I'm saying the theory that white privilege exists rests entirely on statistical analyses which find whites are more successful than blacks in a variety of ways. But if Asians are more successful than whites, well, what accounts for this? Is there an Asian privilege? If not why didn't white privilege push Asians down the way it has Blacks?

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. And ?

And what? Without an answer it seems to me the theory of white privilege is disproven.

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, Hodad said:

Sure, there's not a systemic problem. Just millions of individual acts of discrimination. No big deal! lol

First, there's very little racism. There is discrimination of various kinds, and prejudice largely based on real or imagined behaviour patterns of distinct groups.

10 hours ago, Hodad said:

You can listen to Black Americans, you can look at the data,

But only the Black Americans you want me to listen to, right? Not the Black Americans who are conservative, or  even centrist. Only the ones from the race industry.

10 hours ago, Hodad said:

Most of you simply aren't interested in fairness or a level playing field,

You're not calling for a level playing field. Most of us Canadian types are strongly opposed to injustice and definitely believe in hiring and promotion on merit, for example, because that's fair. But that's not what you want. You want hiring by race - which even you must acknowledge is racist. But fortunately for you your religious beliefs allow for sins as long as they're done in what you imagine is the greater good.

10 hours ago, Hodad said:

I used to do guest lectures at a magnet school in South Central LA. Best school in the area by a longshot, best and brightest kids from the most proactive families who fight for spots--nearly all Black. Nothing wrong with the kids aside from an oppressive cycle of poverty. And still, even in this best case scenario, I'd show up in a classroom and find kids standing against a back wall. They didn't have enough desks or books, so they had to take turns. It's farked up. I can't imagine what conditions were like in the "bad" schools in the area.

That's interesting. In that Thomas Sowell clip you didn't look at even though you want to listen to Blacks Americans he talks about how the schools today are so much worse than when he was growing up in Harlem in the 1950s. New York City spends double the national average on schooling, over $25k per student. And yet it has terrible schools because of immense graft, corruption, incompetence and inefficiencies. Now I blame the Democrats and progressives. You'd no doubt blame racism, even though a great many of those in the NYC school system are Black, including the chancellor, and virtually everyone is so liberal they need to polish their halos every morning before work.

 

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

I posted multiple peer reviewed articles that trump your assumptions and suppositions. I guess your you're too stupid 

You're welcome.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I'm saying the theory that white privilege exists rests entirely on statistical analyses which find whites are more successful than blacks in a variety of ways.  

Really?  That's news to me.

I think that it exists for socioeconomic reasons, from the effects of racism.  Therefore it's synonymous with racism and exists obviously.

I don't see the point of debating this, except that it attracts lots of negative interest.

[reason10]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Really?  That's news to me.

I think that it exists for socioeconomic reasons, from the effects of racism.  Therefore it's synonymous with racism and exists obviously.

I don't see the point of debating this, except that it attracts lots of negative interest.

The ONLY time legislated White Privilege existed for socioeconomic reasons was during the Jim Crow era. THAT was a documented example of White Privilege. And it WAS based on racism. And it had roots in the racist Democrat Party

https://calthomas.com/2021/06/democrats-and-civil-rights/
 

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The Washington Examiner cited 12 examples of how Southern Democrats historically opposed civil rights while Reconstruction-era Republicans favored them.

The newspaper noted Democrats voted against “every piece of civil rights legislation in Congress from 1866 to 1966.”

Congressional Democrats opposed the 13^th Amendment, which officially freed the slaves in 1865. Only four Democrats voted for it.

Republicans passed the 14^th Amendment in 1866, which granted American citizenship to former slaves.

Not one of the 56 congressional Democrats voted for the 15^th Amendment in 1869, which gave former slaves the right to vote.

Republicans backed all the civil rights laws of the 1860s, including the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Reconstruction Act of 1867. Their party was founded on an anti-slavery platform.

Fast-forward to the 1960s. President Kennedy was reluctant to push too hard for civil rights for fear of losing southern support. After his assassination, President Johnson claimed Kennedy was passionately for civil rights and used his death to advance legislation in Congress. Once again, powerful Democrats in the South opposed every bill.

A Senate office building is named after one of them, Sen. Richard B. Russell of Georgia, leader of the Senate’s Southern caucus. Curious that as statues and memorials depicting former slave owners and those associated with slavery and racism have been removed from various locations, Russell’s name remains on that building.

The Examiner noted a PBS program that stated, “The Democratic Party was responsible for passing Jim Crow laws, in addition to Black Civil Codes that forced Americans to utilize separate drinking fountains, swimming polls, and other facilities in the 20^th century.”

 

Today there are NO laws on the books, either in state statutes or the US Code, that establish white supremacy. I proved this in another thread, where the feeble minded liberals couldn't keep from changing the subject.

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, reason10 said:

I proved this ...

It's not a proof.  This is not math.

 

Your assumption seems to be that without Jim Crow laws on the books black folks have equality.  

Just totally wrong.

[reason10]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's not a proof.  This is not math.

 

Your assumption seems to be that without Jim Crow laws on the books black folks have equality.  

Just totally wrong.

First of all, assuming there is such a thing as equality is a fool's errand. Equality does NOT exist. There will never be equality of outcome, except in socialist regimes, where most of the population is equally miserable and the ruling class share all the confiscated wealth.

A black person born today has equal opportunity as a white person born today.  Both groups are born in poor circumstances and rich circumstances. No equality there. The average black welfare child in a ghetto did not have the equality of outcome as Barak Obama, who was born in a rich family and never had to work for anything. A poor white trailer trash child will not have the same equality of outcome as the Eric and Donald Trump Jr., although those boys DID work and earn their way into Donald Sr.'s company.

There can ONLY be equal opportunity. The law says that neither the black, nor the white, nor the Asian can be discriminated against based on race.

White privilege ONLY exists when there are barriers existing IN LAW. They DID exist in Jim Crow. Today, there are no LEGAL barriers to success for black people. Their ONLY barrier is their behavior.

 

(Boys and girls, THIS is how intelligent folk discuss issues where they may or may not agree on: Intelligently. Logically. Neither one of us called the other a troll or an old racist.)

Edited December 17, 2022 by reason10

[I am Groot]

On 12/17/2022 at 6:21 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Really?  That's news to me.

I think that it exists for socioeconomic reasons, from the effects of racism.  Therefore it's synonymous with racism and exists obviously.

This was placed in the US politics forum so you might be able to get away with embracing that as a theory. But the theory is just as popular among progressives in Canada despite us having no one here with 'the effects of racism' other than natives.

And even in the US the theory is trashed by the success of Asians, who have done just two simple things. They've gotten married before having children, and ensured their children do well in school. That's it. That's all a community has to do to succeed in either the US or Canada. 

And if Blacks still did that like they did in 1960 they probably wouldn't have the social and economic problems they are experiencing today.

On 12/17/2022 at 6:21 AM, Michael Hardner said:

I don't see the point of debating this, except that it attracts lots of negative interest.

What sort of an attitude is that? You embrace a belief rejected by the majority of the country and then act like it's settled science and should not be debated? Seriously?

Edited December 18, 2022 by I am Groot

[Rebound]

On 12/16/2022 at 12:23 PM, reason10 said:

You are a LIAR. I NEVER said racism cannot be institutional if no law establishes it. I said WHITE FCkING PRIVILEGE cannot be institutional if no law establishes it. Are you just plain FCKING stupid? Earth to Retard, you don't win arguments by LYING about what your opponent says.

I did not ask for that. (You're worse than an ESE third grader.) I asked for THE FCKING LAW that establishes white privilege. I ASKED FOR THE LAW SAYING WHITES CAN DO EVEN ONE THING THAT BLACKS CANNOT DO. Are you just plain STUPID?

As far as the white cop versus black perp, I gave you the actual statistics. Are you too stupid to read them?

It doesn't give you the right to change the subject, just because you don't have the brains to do your homework.

 

You need to call up your doctor and get your meds changed.  

[Rebound]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

This was placed in the US politics forum so you might be able to get away with embracing that as a theory. But the theory is just as popular among progressives in Canada despite us having no one here with 'the effects of racism' other than natives.

And even in the US the theory is trashed by the success of Asians, who have done just two simple things. They've gotten married before having children, and ensured their children do well in school. That's it. That's all a community has to do to succeed in either the US or Canada. 

And if Blacks still did that like they did in 1960 they probably wouldn't have the social and economic problems they are experiencing today.

What sort of an attitude is that? You embrace a belief rejected by the majority of the country and then act like it's settled science and should not be debated? Seriously?

There are plenty of Asians who will tell you that they experience racism in America.  

[I am Groot]

Just now, Rebound said:

There are plenty of Asians who will tell you that they experience racism in America.  

What the hell has that got to do with the idea of white privilege? Lots of whites will tell you that they experienced racism in America, too. What even is racism in the minds of too many ? Any slight, any preference, any dislike, poor treatment, suspicion, snub, or confrontation between a white person and any member of a visible identity group?

White privilege is the belief that white people have a better, easier time of life because of their skin colour. All it really shows is they succeed more than Black people. But so do Asians, who also succeed more than White people.

[reason10]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

You need to call up your doctor and get your meds changed.  

As usual, when you lose an argument, out comes the stupid insults.

I take HEART meds, (since you stupidly asked.) Amlodopine and Valsartan for controlling blood pressure, Clopidogrel for blood thinning (generic version of PLavix) and Prevastatin for cholesterol control.

I don't smoke crack and crystal meth like you left wing goose steppers do. You should be careful when you try to trash an argument with a stupid "meds" remark. Only makes you look even dumber, and I didn't see how that was possible.

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

 

What sort of an attitude is that? You embrace a belief rejected by the majority of the country and then act like it's settled science and should not be debated? Seriously?

I didn't say it was settled.

 

And you didn't respond to my idea of what White Privilege and Systemic Racism is based on.  I think it's synonymous with racism.  

That is why I don't see any point in debating.  If this is about racism, then only person values decide if racism is a problem.

I can not convince you that it is.

 

 

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I didn't say it was settled.

 

And you didn't respond to my idea of what White Privilege and Systemic Racism is based on.  I think it's synonymous with racism.  

That is why I don't see any point in debating.  If this is about racism, then only person values decide if racism is a problem.

I can not convince you that it is.

 

 

Indeed, for some white privilege is a feature, not a bug. 

[I am Groot]

On 12/18/2022 at 4:43 PM, Michael Hardner said:

IAnd you didn't respond to my idea of what White Privilege and Systemic Racism is based on.  I think it's synonymous with racism.  

You can see, hear and point to racism. The term 'systemic racism is nothing but a statistical difference between blacks and whites. The difference is presumed to be due to racism though in reality it's due to a lack of value placed on education or two-parent families in the black community.

On 12/18/2022 at 4:43 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I can not convince you that it is.

Not without logic behind your argument, no.

[Michael Hardner]

20 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. The term 'systemic racism is nothing but a statistical difference between blacks and whites.  

2. Not without logic behind your argument, no.

1. I have to ask you for a cite.

2. My logic is that they are all synonymous.  If you have a cite, I can change my outlook.